Knowledge needed for my 1st cycle of TEST

[badboybassmaster]

I'm 27 years old and i'm getting set to take my 1st cycle of test ! I've always been a twig my whole life and enough's enough ! I'm roughly 6'3 weighing 160 lbs... I am unfortunately a smoker as well ! I'm not even working out yet ! I plan on working out hard every other day for a week then beginning my 12 week cycle ! I think by looking at my frame , My most important training is gonna be eating ! I can eat 4-5 meals a day and never gain weight ! I'm also weening myself off of cigarettes slowly but i don't wanna change too much while i'm on my cycle ! My bottom line is i need steroids to gain weight .. I'm not just taking them to make my arms pop out my shirt .. I'm taking them to have a pair of arms to put in the sleeves and a chest without my rib cage showing ! I'm a very happy person so i think i can control any anger test may give me ! My friend has taken a few cycles that had a similar frame as me and he looks pretty normal now ! He wants me to take 12 weeks of test where after week 8 i start weening myself off with smaller doses ! Thats what he did and it seemed to work ! Is there anything i should be taking ? Doing ? to maybe have less side effects or complications later in life ? I know the cigarettes are an awful combination with working out ! It just doesn't make sense and i'm going to use working out and staying in shape as motivation in quitting ! Any help is greatly appreciated ! Thanks

[HawaiianPride.]

I'm 27 years old and i'm getting set to take my 1st cycle of test ! I've always been a twig my whole life and enough's enough ! I'm roughly 6'3 weighing 160 lbs... I am unfortunately a smoker as well ! I'm not even working out yet ! I plan on working out hard every other day for a week then beginning my 12 week cycle ! I think by looking at my frame , My most important training is gonna be eating ! I can eat 4-5 meals a day and never gain weight ! I'm also weening myself off of cigarettes slowly but i don't wanna change too much while i'm on my cycle ! My bottom line is i need steroids to gain weight .. I'm not just taking them to make my arms pop out my shirt .. I'm taking them to have a pair of arms to put in the sleeves and a chest without my rib cage showing ! I'm a very happy person so i think i can control any anger test may give me ! My friend has taken a few cycles that had a similar frame as me and he looks pretty normal now ! He wants me to take 12 weeks of test where after week 8 i start weening myself off with smaller doses ! Thats what he did and it seemed to work ! Is there anything i should be taking ? Doing ? to maybe have less side effects or complications later in life ? I know the cigarettes are an awful combination with working out ! It just doesn't make sense and i'm going to use working out and staying in shape as motivation in quitting ! Any help is greatly appreciated ! Thanks

No, you don't. Your diet is lacking.

Post what you eat on a daily basis; macros/detailed amounts of each meal.

[sprinter911]

Sounds like you need to check your diet. Chances are you think you have it down but it can be tweaked so you can maximize your gains and start moving toward your goal. Gear isn't the answer for you IMO.

--Sprint

[badboybassmaster]

No, you don't. Your diet is lacking.

Post what you eat on a daily basis; macros/detailed amounts of each meal.

Your probably right ! But my line of work consist of sweating all day and not having much time for meals ! But i will tell you it is very hard for me to gain weight ! Most people who ate like me would be HUGE ! I truely believe i could eat anybody's diet plan and i'd probably be so stuffed id be throwing up and wouldn't gain 10 lbs. in a year !

[HawaiianPride.]

My thought process was the same as yours. I was skin and bones for a long time. You have to experiment with different diets/training regimens and find what's right for you. If people are too lazy to do it themselves, I'll recommend them to hire a nutritionist.

I did construction for a while (concrete specialist). So I know what it's like to go 8 hours with only a 30 minute break to eat food. Keep in mind I live in Texas, so it stays well over 100 here for a solid few months out of the year. I still managed to maintain my weight. Got up extra early to get my meals in (which I prepared the night before) had a large meal for lunch, then got the rest of my meals in right when I got off until bedtime.

It's possible for you to gain weight without the use of synthetic homormones. Having doubt will get you nowhere. Do as I said, and hit the nutrition section up.

[baseline_9]

Ur talking complete BS!

Eat a diet like this and tell me u dont put some weight on http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=437455

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[badboybassmaster]

My thought process was the same as yours. I was skin and bones for a long time. You have to experiment with different diets/training regimens and find what's right for you. If people are too lazy to do it themselves, I'll recommend them to hire a nutritionist.

I did construction for a while (concrete specialist). So I know what it's like to go 8 hours with only a 30 minute break to eat food. Keep in mind I live in Texas, so it stays well over 100 here for a solid few months out of the year. I still managed to maintain my weight. Got up extra early to get my meals in (which I prepared the night before) had a large meal for lunch, then got the rest of my meals in right when I got off until bedtime.

It's possible for you to gain weight without the use of synthetic homormones. Having doubt will get you nowhere. Do as I said, and hit the nutrition section up.

I have taken supplements such as weight gainers .. All my meals and 2 shakes a day and i still get nothing .. I'm very high strung , always moving trying to make a penny so i believe that has a lot to do with me never sitting still to gain weight ! So basically test could be a total waist for me ? I could put on 15 lbs. and lose it a month later ? I guess i'm just looking to start a quick foundation and build off of it !

[badboybassmaster]

Ur talking complete BS!

Eat a diet like this and tell me u dont put some weight on http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=437455

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Not being smart with you but who has time for that ? I wish i did ! I do appreciate any advice though ! Thanks

[baseline_9]

A foundation would be a good diet

If you can only maintain 160lbs now, what makes you think you maintain a greater weight post cycle

[baseline_9]

Not being smart with you but who has time for that ? I wish i did ! I do appreciate any advice though ! Thanks

My advice would be to stop being a smart arse and get in the real world m8

If u dont eat enough you wont grow

Simple

Have you done any research what so ever

What is your current diet

[badboybassmaster]

A foundation would be a good diet

If you can only maintain 160lbs now, what makes you think you maintain a greater weight post cycle

I guess confidence ! I'm just so beat down from trying to eat like a cow and getting nowhere ! I guess i should of researched what to eat rather than just eating anything ! I eat a lot compared to most with better metabolism !

[baseline_9]

I guess confidence ! I'm just so beat down from trying to eat like a cow and getting nowhere ! I guess i should of researched what to eat rather than just eating anything ! I eat a lot compared to most with better metabolism !

You may think you eat a lot, but in actual fact i can tell you that you dont

Thus the reason you are 160lbs

Ppst your diet up quickly, im gina shoot off in 10

[HawaiianPride.]

I have taken supplements such as weight gainers .. All my meals and 2 shakes a day and i still get nothing .. I'm very high strung , always moving trying to make a penny so i believe that has a lot to do with me never sitting still to gain weight ! So basically test could be a total waist for me ? I could put on 15 lbs. and lose it a month later ? I guess i'm just looking to start a quick foundation and build off of it !

Yep, it would be a waste. If your goals are to put on 15-20lbs, you have to eat like that of someone 15-20lbs heavier. Since you aren't, the steroid cycle will be useless. You'll shrivel up back to your 160lbs frame and you'll be back at point A.

Food > Supplements

So, for the 3rd time, post your diet in the nutrition section in detail.

Btw, if you were on my current diet, you'd gain some weight guaranteed. Probably mostly fat though.

[badboybassmaster]

My advice would be to stop being a smart arse and get in the real world m8

If u dont eat enough you wont grow

Simple

Have you done any research what so ever

What is your current diet

My current diet is all over the place i guess .. Meal 1) 2 eggs, ham, 2 pieces of toats, hash browns .... Meal 2) usually 2 hamburgers and fries.... Meal 3) chinese carry-out... Meal 4) little ceasars crazy bread.... Meal 5) cereal or whatever ! Sounds funny i guess but its the truth ! I work a lot and fast food garbage is all i have time for ! Nobody to cook for me being single in all ! Pretty pathetic

[baseline_9]

Well there is the problem

And yes it is a big problem

Start ewting more like me and you mite just suprise urself what u can do without gear
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=437455

[Reed]

Well if you can't gain weight eating food, steroids will not amazingly and magically put on weight for you. Certainly you are not that dumb(?)

Your diet is horrible and just expect water weight from test that'll come right back off when you are finished.

I see this all the time. Friends that juice, gain a few extra pounds then drop and possibly even get smaller and weaker from the test shutting down there on natural production and not doing PCT. Sad after doing more cycles than me they still never achieved what I did naturally. Its pathetic.

You have a ton of excuses of why you can't eat and this and that. I work a ton as well. I make time and make sure I eat my meals. Even if I gotta sneak it

If you haven't even began working out and haven't aligned a proper diet then how do you know you can't gain weight. Food is the most anabolic substance there is bar none. Truthfully. No weight can be gained otherwise.

Learn the right way to do it, listen to the people here, not your friend thats gotta use roids to look "normal," thats really sad

[scotty51312]

Baseline is right bro. Even if you went on test you wouldn't gain much cause you're not eating right. You'd probably put on about 10 to 15lbs a lot of it would be just water. Plus without proper diet and PCT you wouldn't keep a pound of it. If you dont' have time to eat right you probably dont' have time to train right. If you spent an hour a week at the grocery store and 15 minutes a night packing your meals for the day, you could easily correct your diet. Myself or one of the vets would be happy to help you plan a diet for bulking up. Keep your diet right for a year and at that time if you're still interested in AAS you will have proved to yourself you have the commitment it takes to accomplish your goals

[gymfu]

That diet is a BIG problem!

Something else no one has mentioned to you is that you can't start working out and take test. Your going to hurt your self. Your connective tissues take years to get strong enough to handle the muscle strength from steroids.

[badboybassmaster]

Well if you can't gain weight eating food, steroids will not amazingly and magically put on weight for you. Certainly you are not that dumb(?)

Your diet is horrible and just expect water weight from test that'll come right back off when you are finished.

I see this all the time. Friends that juice, gain a few extra pounds then drop and possibly even get smaller and weaker from the test shutting down there on natural production and not doing PCT. Sad after doing more cycles than me they still never achieved what I did naturally. Its pathetic.

You have a ton of excuses of why you can't eat and this and that. I work a ton as well. I make time and make sure I eat my meals. Even if I gotta sneak it

If you haven't even began working out and haven't aligned a proper diet then how do you know you can't gain weight. Food is the most anabolic substance there is bar none. Truthfully. No weight can be gained otherwise.

Learn the right way to do it, listen to the people here, not your friend thats gotta use roids to look "normal," thats really sad

Thanks for the advice everyone ! I'm going to really work on putting meals down as a priority rather than a when i got time type of thing !

[boxin23]

My current diet is all over the place i guess .. Meal 1) 2 eggs, ham, 2 pieces of toats, hash browns .... Meal 2) usually 2 hamburgers and fries.... Meal 3) chinese carry-out... Meal 4) little ceasars crazy bread.... Meal 5) cereal or whatever ! Sounds funny i guess but its the truth ! I work a lot and fast food garbage is all i have time for ! Nobody to cook for me being single in all ! Pretty pathetic

Brother you are not even close to being ready to cycle. I'm glad you are here though and have asked the questions and posted what you eat.

Please do take the advice of everyone above and go to the diet section.

You need to start learning about diet in detail first. I will give you a little advice that might help you out....if you implement it.

You need to google the 'Harris Benedict formula for men" I use this and many others do also. You can get your caloric intake that is needed to:

1. loose weight
2. maintain weight
3. gain weight

This is VERY important. you need to get some good quality food in your diet then spreadsheet it all out down to the macro's. Meaning break it down like this:

Protein/Carbs/Fat - Total Calories

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE FORMULA THOUGH IF YOU WANT TO SUCCEED. IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TO EAT YOU WILL SPIN YOUR WHEELS. THIS MAY SEEM ANAL, BUT IT WORKS.

You need to start preparing your meals at night so you can cut the crap out of your diet.

Start your morning out something like this:

3 cups of raw oats
1 cup milk
2 scoops protein powder
banana
3 raw eggs (don't wanna have the raw egg debate with anyone)

Blend all that and your getting right around 1100 cals for your first meal.

There is a lot more of course which takes reading and research.

IF YOU CYCLE AND DO NOT HAVE YOUR DIET IN CHECK YOU WILL GAIN NOTHING BUT WATER AND FAT AND SHRINK BACK TO ORIGINAL SIZE AND HAVE WASTED YOUR MONEY COMPLETELY. I'M A HARD GAINER AND IM ONLY 5-6" AND WEIGH MORE THAN YOU.

If you can't figure the formula out, i would love to help you with it. I enjoy that kinda stuff. Give me all your stats....age, weight, height, and also work habbits and what your day looks like and ill calculate it all long hand here for you to see what it looks like.

Good luck and don't cycle until you have at least tried a good diet out. I guarantee if you put in the work it will work for you. Good luck and send me some info.

[gymfu]

Brother you are not even close to being ready to cycle. I'm glad you are here though and have asked the questions and posted what you eat.

Please do take the advice of everyone above and go to the diet section.

You need to start learning about diet in detail first. I will give you a little advice that might help you out....if you implement it.

You need to google the 'Harris Benedict formula for men" I use this and many others do also. You can get your caloric intake that is needed to:

1. loose weight
2. maintain weight
3. gain weight

This is VERY important. you need to get some good quality food in your diet then spreadsheet it all out down to the macro's. Meaning break it down like this:

Protein/Carbs/Fat - Total Calories

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE FORMULA THOUGH IF YOU WANT TO SUCCEED. IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TO EAT YOU WILL SPIN YOUR WHEELS. THIS MAY SEEM ANAL, BUT IT WORKS.

You need to start preparing your meals at night so you can cut the crap out of your diet.

Start your morning out something like this:

3 cups of raw oats
1 cup milk
2 scoops protein powder
banana
3 raw eggs (don't wanna have the raw egg debate with anyone)

Blend all that and your getting right around 1100 cals for your first meal.

There is a lot more of course which takes reading and research.

IF YOU CYCLE AND DO NOT HAVE YOUR DIET IN CHECK YOU WILL GAIN NOTHING BUT WATER AND FAT AND SHRINK BACK TO ORIGINAL SIZE AND HAVE WASTED YOUR MONEY COMPLETELY. I'M A HARD GAINER AND IM ONLY 5-6" AND WEIGH MORE THAN YOU.

If you can't figure the formula out, i would love to help you with it. I enjoy that kinda stuff. Give me all your stats....age, weight, height, and also work habbits and what your day looks like and ill calculate it all long hand here for you to see what it looks like.

Good luck and don't cycle until you have at least tried a good diet out. I guarantee if you put in the work it will work for you. Good luck and send me some info.

This example is for bulking ONLY.

Milk really? Isn't there too much sugar is milk? just asking.

[boxin23]

This example is for bulking ONLY.

Milk really? Isn't there too much sugar is milk? just asking.

Yes this example is for bulking which this guy needs to do. He wants to gain weight, but wants to cheat and be lazy about it by taking AAS before he even knows how to eat.

And yes the milk i drink has 12 grams of sugar per serving. A cup of orange juice has 22 grams. I dont think this cup of milk is going to kill a guys diet who eats junk food all day.

I used to box and i ate grew up eating meat/potatoes/veggies and yes milk ...lots of it. I have never been over 12% body fat. That is genetics though for me, so i dont worry about the cup of milk to blend up my breakfast.

Plus the cup of milk helps add to my cals needed for my meal. I am not professing to be the king of dieting.

The most important part of the message i hope to him was about learning how to figure out how much to eat. I just threw a sample of what i eat for breakfast to show him that he is not even close to eating correct.

And i do believe that this is a good breakfast for me based on my body's needs.

[gymfu]

ok, just thought that milk was a no no.

[boxin23]

ok, just thought that milk was a no no.

No i hear you. If I was a pro then i probably would not be pounding a glass of milk...i'd probably be mixing my b-fast with water....LOL....

I grew up milk/meat/potatoes/veggies.....thank god my parents did something right, because i still eat that way thanks to them. They never took me to McDonalds as a kid...i was neglected....that was a good thing.

[lovbyts]

My current diet is all over the place i guess .. Meal 1) 2 eggs, ham, 2 pieces of toats, hash browns .... Meal 2) usually 2 hamburgers and fries.... Meal 3) chinese carry-out... Meal 4) little ceasars crazy bread.... Meal 5) cereal or whatever ! Sounds funny i guess but its the truth ! I work a lot and fast food garbage is all i have time for ! Nobody to cook for me being single in all ! Pretty pathetic

LOL, sounds about like my diet 3 years ago. I could not gain weight for years especially when working out. After several years of NOT working out I started to gain weight (FAT) until I went from 165 up to 205 (not muscle).

After learning how to eat I was eating a LOT more, 6+ eggs for breakfast, 2-3 bonless skinless chicken breast, a lot of fruit, nuts, lean steak and more every day I lost 30+ lbs in a little over 90 days and started gaining solid muscle with only a little working out.

2 1/2 years later I am maintaining around 185+ working my way back up to 200 in another year hopefully but not fat this time, muscle.

The diet is not that difficult if you just take it one step at a time like learning how to eat ever 2 hrs. Eat something, dont let yourself get hungry so your body wont store fat.

Even though after work you dont feel like exercising do it before or after but do it and it will give you more energy believe it or not.

Diet is the key.

[badboybassmaster]

another question i got is about raw eggs .... I have no problem putting them down ! Is there a limit of how many a day i should eat ? I can easily eat a dozen !

[313frog]

Don't know if this was brought up, but how much training experience do you have?

[boxin23]

another question i got is about raw eggs .... I have no problem putting them down ! Is there a limit of how many a day i should eat ? I can easily eat a dozen !

In case you guys want raw egg info. Here is a good article. I don't separate. I eat them whole. Sorry the table got screwed up. You can follow it though.



i'm sure you've heard it before. When you think of a "health freak," you don't think of someone eating egg yolks and discarding the white.

Think again.

Egg Nutrition: Yolk vs. White

Egg yolks are indeed full of cholesterol. Like most cholesterol-rich foods, they are jam-packed full of important nutrients, especially the fat-soluble vitamins and essential fatty acids.

In fact, the slew of nutrients in an egg yolk is so comprehensive that a few a day would offer better insurance than a multi-vitamin. Most importantly, the yolk contains most of the nutrients in an egg.

Egg whites, on the other hand, contain far fewer nutrients. The only thing that could justify their consumption is their attachment to their companion yolk.

Don't believe it? Below is a table that compares the nutritional value of egg whites and yolks, with data provided by the USDA. I've included additional analysis in the last two columns that provides the percentage of the total nutrition found in the yolk and the percentage of total nutrition found in the white.

Table 1: Egg Yolks Versus Egg Whites

Nutrient

White

Yolk

% Total in White

% Total in Yolk

Protein

3.6 g

2.7g

57%

43%

Fat

0.05g

4.5g

1%

99%

Calcium

2.3 mg

21.9 mg

9.5%

90.5%

Magnesium

3.6 mg

0.85 mg

80.8%

19.2%

Iron

0.03 mg

0.4 mg

6.2%

93.8%

Phosphorus

5 mg

66.3 mg

7%

93%

Potassium

53.8 mg

18.5 mg

74.4%

25.6%

Sodium

54.8 mg

8.2 mg

87%

13%

Zinc

0.01 mg

0.4 mg

0.2%

99.8%

Copper

0.008 mg

0.013 mg

38%

62%

Manganese

0.004 mg

0.009 mg

30.8%

69.2%

Selenium

6.6 mcg

9.5 mcg

41%

59%

Thiamin

0.01 mg

0.03 mg

3.2%

96.8%

Riboflavin

0.145 mg

0.09 mg

61.7%

48.3%

Niacin

0.035 mg

0.004 mg

89.7%

9.3%

Pantothenic acid.

0.63 mg

0.51 mg

11%

89%

B6

0.002 mg

0.059 mg

3.3%

96.7%

Folate

1.3 mcg

24.8 mcg

5%

95%

B12

0.03 mcg

0.331 mcg

8.3%

91.7%

Vitamin A

0 IU

245 IU

0%

100%

Vitamin E

0 mg

0.684 mg

0%

100%

Vitamin D

0 IU

18.3 IU

0%

100%

Vitamin K

0 IU

0.119 IU

0%

100%

DHA and AA

0

94 mg

0%

100%

Carotenoids

0 mcg

21 mcg

0%

100%



Data taken from the USDA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 15. AA and DHA data from NutritionData.Com. Since the article was written, the USDA has published revisions. The latest, Release 17, can be found here.

As you can see from the table, the yolk contains 100% of the carotenoids, essential fatty acids, vitamins A, E, D, and K (6 items). The white does not contain 100% of any nutrient.

The yolk contains more than 90% of the calcium, iron, phosphorus, zinc, thiamin, B6, folate, and B12, and 89% of the panthothenic acid (9 items). The white does not contain more than 90% of any nutrient, but contains over 80% of the magnesium, sodium, and niacin (3 items).

The yolk contains between 50% and 80% of the copper, manganese, and selenium, while the white contains between 50% and 80% of the potassium, riboflavin, and protein.

It should also be kept in mind that the yolk of an egg is smaller than the white. Where the white contains a slim majority of nutrients, such as protein, this is not due to a greater concentration in the white, but simply to the fact that there is more white in the egg than yolk.

Egg Yolks Would Resolve Americans' Most Common Nutrient Deficiencies

According to the Executive Summary of the Third Report on Nutrition Monitoring in the United States by the Interagency Board for Nutrition Monitoring and Related Research of the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology's Life Sciences Research Office, the following is true:

Most groups have a deficient median intake of magnesium.
Several groups have a deficient median intake of calcium.
Children aged 1-2 and most groups of females have a deficient median intake of iron.
Blacks over the age of 16 and Mexican-Americans over the age of 60 have a deficient median intake of folate.
All age groups and races have a deficient median intake of vitamins A, E, B6, and copper.
Considering this information, the importance of the egg yolk and relative unimportance of the egg white becomes even more clear. The yolk contains the majority of the copper, nearly all of the calcium, iron, folate, and B6, and 100% of the vitamins A and E.

The white, on the other hand, is only useful as an added source of magnesium, or if the diet is on the whole deficient in protein. The simple addition of an adequate amount of meat in the diet would provide for both.

Finally, eggs are an excellent source of carotenoids. These are primarily highly absorbable forms of lutein and its partner zeaxanthin. These carotenoids accumulate in the back of the eye and appear to protect against age-related macular degeneration. There is no RDA for them, as researchers are still trying to understand their importance. All of the lutein and zeaxanthin in an egg is contained in the yolk.

Egg Yolks Contain Essential Fatty Acids DHA and Arachidonic Acid

One important set of nutrients that should not be overlooked is the long-chain essential fatty acids. Egg yolks contain the long-chain omega-3 fatty acid DHA, which is necessary for the brain and proper retinal function in the eye, and the long-chain omega-6 fatty acid arachidonic acid, which is required for the healthy skin, hair, libido, reproduction, growth and response to injury. These fatty acids are primarily needed by young children, pregnant and lactating women, and people with degenerative diseases involving oxidative stress, especially those of the nervous system such as Alzheimer's. While fatty fish and cod liver oil supply DHA in larger amounts, egg yolks have an advantage over these foods because they also contain arachidonic acid and because they do not contain EPA, which interferes with arachidonic acid metabolism.

According to NutritionData.Com, one egg yolk contains 75 mg of arachidonic acid (AA), 20 mg of DHA, but no EPA. As I describe in my Special Report, How Essential Are the Essential Fatty Acids?, DHA and AA are the two fatty acids essential to humans and other mammals, while EPA interferes with the body's use of AA and probably does not belong in the mammalian body at all.

Animal foods from animals raised on pasture are likely much richer in DHA. In all eggs, both the DHA and AA are contained in the yolk.

To Cook, or Not to Cook? The Benefits of Raw Egg Yolks

Many people believe that the health benefits of egg yolks are greater when the yolks are consumed raw. Heat destroys enzymes, reduces the amounts of certain nutrients, and may make the amino acid cysteine less available, which is needed to synthesize the master antioxidant of the cell, glutathione.

Those who eat raw egg yolks report easier digestion, increased stamina, and resistance to illness — not to mention a quicker snack if they're on-the-go.

That said, there is little evidence beyond such anecdotes that egg yolks are truly more beneficial when consumed raw.

There is also little evidence to support the common belief that consuming raw egg yolks is dangerous. Please see Dr. Mercola's article on the safety of eating raw egg yolks if you are concerned about this.

Raw Egg Whites Contain Digestive Enzyme Inhibitors and Anti-Nutrients

Raw egg whites should not be consumed. They contain inhibitors of the digestive enzyme trypsin, which are destroyed by heat. Consuming 100 grams of raw egg white with one egg yolk compared to consuming the same food cooked was shown in one study to reduce protein digestion from 90 percent down to 50 percent.

Raw egg whites also contain an anti-nutrient called avidin. Avidin is a glycoprotein that binds to the B vitamin biotin, preventing its absorption. Biotin is necessary for fatty acid synthesis and the maintenance of blood sugar, and is especially important during pregnancy when biotin status declines.

Residual Egg White Avidin — Cooking Does Not Fully Destroy the Anti-Nutrients

It is a myth that light cooking completely destroys the avidin.

According to this study, poaching eggs only destroys one third of the avidin while even frying leaves 30 percent of it behind.

This raises the question of whether there is a net nutritional advantage to eating any egg whites at all. Most likely, it depends on the individual person. There is controversy over whether biotin produced in the intestinal tract is absorbed — if intenstinal biotin production is indeed nutritionally important, then people whose intestinal flora are less avid producers of biotin probably need to be more concerned about the potential adverse effects of consuming egg white.

Finding The Right Kind of Eggs

Pastured eggs, meaning eggs from chickens that are free to forage for grass and insects, are of much higher nutritional quality than eggs from confinement chickens. The marginal increase in value, of course, is found mostly in the yolk.

Insects provide a higher DHA content, found exclusive in the yolk, and grass provides a higher vitamin E and carotene content, also found exclusively in the yolk. Egg yolks from pastured chickens are thus a powerful supplement to a healthy diet — a super-food — providing necessary nutrients in which the Standard American Diet is deficient.

To find a source of eggs from chickens raised on pasture, you can visit LocalHarvest.org and do a search for "eggs pastured" or "eggs grass fed" with your zip code. You can also visit EatWild.com and click on your state for a list of farms that pasture their animals.

Additionally, you may be able to find roadside stands in your area that sell eggs from pastured chickens. Be sure to inquire about the farming practices, to make sure that the chickens are able to forage for both grass and insects.

Back to the Basics: Taste!

The truth is that most satisfying meals one could make with eggs just don't taste right without both the yolk and the white. Most baked goods come out with a richer taste and a better texture when the yolks are included. Food should provide good nutrition — for which inclusion of the yolks is necessary! — but it should also taste good.

Food should be fun. It should be rewarding to cook, delicious to eat, and relaxing to indulge in.

The anti-cholesterol establishment upholds its poor theory and unjustified conclusions only to condemn us to a bland and unsatisfying diet, the cornerstone of which is "light cooking" with bland and taste-challenged "foods" like the notorious, emasculated, yolkless egg white.

Fear not.

You are now armed with the raw facts from the USDA's nutrition database that shows that missing out on the egg yolks means missing out on the

[lovbyts]

Good read above. It will be interesting to see what if any arguments arise.

[Parabolic]

Sort your diet, then roid, profit?

I know alot of guys here say oh yeh do it natural, but end of day it'll be far far quicker cycling... But you've gotta make sure guys here approve your diet and training make sure its spot on then roid and you'll prob see some decent gains and above all stick to it.

[badboybassmaster]

Sort your diet, then roid, profit?

I know alot of guys here say oh yeh do it natural, but end of day it'll be far far quicker cycling... But you've gotta make sure guys here approve your diet and training make sure its spot on then roid and you'll prob see some decent gains and above all stick to it.

I appreciate your honesty ! It seems that bodybuilding is a lifestyle/hobby ! My job is a lifestyle/hobby as well ! When i don't have to be working ... I'm still working ! It's a passion of mine ! However i am willing to dedicate an hour a day to the gym and a lot more time into my diet ! I'm not just some idiot who wants to be a brick wall for the woman ! I wanna look normal as a man for myself ! And i truly do believe if i get a solid month of a new diet in , Take test , and maintain my diet it will build the foundation thats needed ! I know how much i can lift so i don't see myself tearing tissues or injury due to my common sense ! Basically when i started this post i just wanted to know what should be taken while on test to have less side effects and complications down the road ! I respect all of you who do this naturally to the fullest extent as well as those who don't ! Thanks to everyone for your time !

[lovbyts]

I appreciate your honesty ! It seems that bodybuilding is a lifestyle/hobby ! My job is a lifestyle/hobby as well ! When i don't have to be working ... I'm still working ! It's a passion of mine ! However i am willing to dedicate an hour a day to the gym and a lot more time into my diet ! I'm not just some idiot who wants to be a brick wall for the woman ! I wanna look normal as a man for myself ! And i truly do believe if i get a solid month of a new diet in , Take test , and maintain my diet it will build the foundation thats needed ! I know how much i can lift so i don't see myself tearing tissues or injury due to my common sense ! Basically when i started this post i just wanted to know what should be taken while on test to have less side effects and complications down the road ! I respect all of you who do this naturally to the fullest extent as well as those who don't ! Thanks to everyone for your time !

Well it looks like after several responses from people with experience and many post your finally heard what you wanted to hear from someone with 2 post so now you are satisfied doing what you had already decided to do and didnt really want any honest advice.
Good luck, really but it's not the best way and like many you may be back asking for help soon.

[Big]

my advice is never take advice from someone who uses the word "roid", especially if they use it as a verb.

[D7M]

my advice is never take advice from someone who uses the word "roid", especially if they use it as a verb.

I just spit up some steak!

[boxin23]

Good read above. It will be interesting to see what if any arguments arise.

Thanks....and i guess i will start a new thread on eggs....because i do think they are a great part of any diet.

my advice is never take advice from someone who uses the word "roid", especially if they use it as a verb.

Funny....and i tried to give some good advice and put some time into it....but what do you do....i love it...."roid" the "verb" NEXT

[Parabolic]

my advice is never take advice from someone who uses the word "roid", especially if they use it as a verb.

Well generally, most guys that do use are doing it to get big young. It's simple fact of it. They want to enjoy gains now and make best use of them in their prime age not when they're 30.

I've heard of plenty who do and don't regret it in the slightest. Zyzz is a name which pops up and many will know (Google him, used when he was 17), don't think he is. I don't personally see it as an issue. Aslong as you A) know what to do B) implement it properly with good diet and training and arn't stupid on it.

But I definitely agree good workout knowledge etc does come with a bit of time working out for couple months and then using gear is stupid because you'll have no idea what you are doing. But as far as advocating people reach their natural first I can't say that'll be for everyone as most want it now. Whatever gets job done quicker for people aslong as they do it smart and whatever you say will not persuade them otherwise. If someone is dead set on jumping onto their first cycle they'll do it whether you or I or anyone tells them not too.

So I'm just saying if you're gonna do it, at least do it right. Regardless of whether you're at your natural potential or not, your gains on cycle will be nowhere near comparable to doing it natural. Indeed probably main reason people do use and if they do it right the benefits are there for the taking.

[lovbyts]

Well generally, most guys that do use are doing it to get big young. It's simple fact of it. They want to enjoy gains now and make best use of them in their prime age not when they're 30.

I've heard of plenty who do and don't regret it in the slightest. Zyzz is a name which pops up and many will know (Google him, used when he was 17), don't think he is. I don't personally see it as an issue. Aslong as you A) know what to do B) implement it properly with good diet and training and arn't stupid on it.

But I definitely agree good workout knowledge etc does come with a bit of time working out for couple months and then using gear is stupid because you'll have no idea what you are doing. But as far as advocating people reach their natural first I can't say that'll be for everyone as most want it now. Whatever gets job done quicker for people aslong as they do it smart and whatever you say will not persuade them otherwise. If someone is dead set on jumping onto their first cycle they'll do it whether you or I or anyone tells them not too.

OMG that sounds so typical of a 16 yr old. In their prime, not when they are in their 30s, that is SO over the hill

You will be surprised how fast 30 will come and go and you will realize that in your 20s you where nothing more than a kid who is old enough to vote and drink but you probably had very little common sense and your prime is not until you are in your early/mid 30s unless you have already beat your body to hell and back and are broken. Most 30 year olds who have kept in good shape can walk all over the 20s.

[boxin23]

well generally, most guys that do use are doing it to get big young. It's simple fact of it. They want to enjoy gains now and make best use of them in their prime age not when they're 30.

gains now at their prime???? Instead of 30 when your dead ???

arnold schwarzenegger won his 7th mr. Olympia in 1980 at age 33!!!! Remember the movie conan....yeah i'm pretty sure he was prime still at age 33.....and enjoying it!

not to say he wasn't using earlier...

i've heard of plenty who do and don't regret it in the slightest. Zyzz is a name which pops up and many will know (google him, used when he was 17), don't think he is. I don't personally see it as an issue. Aslong as you a) know what to do b) implement it properly with good diet and training and arn't stupid on it.

But i definitely agree good workout knowledge etc does come with a bit of time working out for couple months and then using gear is stupid because you'll have no idea what you are doing. But as far as advocating people reach their natural first i can't say that'll be for everyone as most want it now. Whatever gets job done quicker for people aslong as they do it smart and whatever you say will not persuade them otherwise. If someone is dead set on jumping onto their first cycle they'll do it whether you or i or anyone tells them not too.

So i'm just saying if you're gonna do it, at least do it right. Regardless of whether you're at your natural potential or not, your gains on cycle will be nowhere near comparable to doing it natural. Indeed probably main reason people do use and if they do it right the benefits are there for the taking.

gains now at their prime???? Instead of 30 when your dead ???

arnold schwarzenegger won his 7th mr. Olympia in 1980 at age 33!!!! Remember the movie conan....yeah i'm pretty sure he was prime still at age 33.....and enjoying it!

not to say he wasn't using earlier...

[Parabolic]

OMG that sounds so typical of a 16 yr old. In their prime, not when they are in their 30s, that is SO over the hill

You will be surprised how fast 30 will come and go and you will realize that in your 20s you where nothing more than a kid who is old enough to vote and drink but you probably had very little common sense and your prime is not until you are in your early/mid 30s unless you have already beat your body to hell and back and are broken. Most 30 year olds who have kept in good shape can walk all over the 20s.

May do, but fact is it's largely quite common(opinion I migh add) (Must be a well researched 16 year old). People turn to gear for aesthetic reasons mostly, most don't care about lifting x and y to impress other men at the gym. As I said I don't see a problem using to gain what you want, it'll sure be faster and not once have I said you can do it without a solid solid diet and training regime, but with those + gear you'll get there a shitload quicker which is what mostly attracts people. But if he uses and gets huge in a year? **** it took way less time and guy got what he wanted.

[badboybassmaster]

Didn't mean to start a controversial topic ! Didn't mean to make people who never met each other argue ! I just want to stay healthy and get to where i want to get quicker ! Time is $ ! It's not that i heard what i wanna hear it's people saying what they wanna say ! All i would like to know is tricks of the trade for my 1st cycle of test ! I don't wanna be the guy asking questions on here as i encounter the problems ! I'm not 16 experimenting new habits ! Never touched one in my life ! I have a trainer but he's unfamiliar with gear ! I understand the diet now ! Never gonna post it due to it will never be right ! Can anyone answer my question whether they believe in what i've decided to do or not ? Thanks