Beyond failure techniques? VETS PLZ

[Juicedupmonkey]

I agree with Ronnie on this point. Beyond failure sets are not worth the risk for two reason. One being the risk of injury and the second is the risk of overtraining. Drop sets are a little different in my opinion in that instead of going to beyond failure with a prescribed weight. The sets are performed at a level that the muscle can still physiologically handle in that it can still recruit enough motor units to perform the exercise. This also depends on the exercise. I am not sure I would ever recommend someone do a drop set of dead lifts or overhead presses for example. The risk of injury is extremely high.

When thinking about exercise choice. It is wise to consider the risk vs benefit of each. Is the relative risk of injury worth the relatively small advantage to beyond failure?

Yes Ronnie had said you should only go to good failure, anything beyond that is putting more stress on the tendons and the muscle has already stopped firing efficiently. Same with the drop sets putting that extra unwanted stress on those joints/tendons. I just don't get why anyone knowing it's greatly increasing injury would do them!?!? I saw Marcus advising drop sets in someone elses thread in the workout section, thats what made me decide to make this thread.

I had figured it was only the not so experienced ones doing those types of beyond failure methods but apparently not.
Then you said musclescience it depends on the excersizes that are being performed such as say something more simple like bicep curls would be best to do them? Or tricep pushdowns? Would you advise someone to do it for something like that?

[MuscleScience]

Yes Ronnie had said you should only go to good failure, anything beyond that is putting more stress on the tendons and the muscle has already stopped firing efficiently. Same with the drop sets putting that extra unwanted stress on those joints/tendons. I just don't get why anyone knowing it's greatly increasing injury would do them!?!? I saw Marcus advising drop sets in someone elses thread in the workout section, thats what made me decide to make this thread.

I had figured it was only the not so experienced ones doing those types of beyond failure methods but apparently not.
Then you said musclescience it depends on the excersizes that are being performed such as say something more simple like bicep curls would be best to do them? Or tricep pushdowns? Would you advise someone to do it for something like that?

I should say that I would never advise a multi joint drop set or beyond failure exercise. One reason for injury in a multi joint exercise such as the bench press is the fatigue of the smaller stabilizing muscles versus that of the prime movers.(SIT's muscles verse the Pecs and Triceps) The smaller muscles of the shoulder like the SITS (rotator cuff muscles) fatigue faster and can not produce as much force as the Pecs. This can cause a situation where the joint(shoulder) can be compromised by the lack of stabilization in all planes of motion.

With a single joint exercise such as a bicep curl, less musculature is involved with less planes of motion. Simply flexion and extension of the forearm. Not to say that you should drop set or force rep these muscle with consistency either. I personally only do a drop set once every 4 to 6 weeks.

[Cousinbutch]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAM6jCLRGOU

I'm not trying to debunk your theory of it being risky, I'm just showing you that pro's do in fact utilize those techniques.