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[11Bgrunt1]

ok I am completely new to this and I am totally confused I wont lie. I don't have one clue as where to start. I am in the military and I am in good shape. Lets see I dont want to be a BB I just want to get stronger and add a little size IM 5'9 183LBS. Im 30 yrs old I eat right don't eat shit food, drink and don't smoke. I have no idea what to take or how much I have spent countless hours researching and keep coming up with the same consensus. Which is I am ****ing lost lol I work out every morning for 2 hours mostly cardiovascular type shit. In the gym for about 2 hours after work. My main concern is I dont want to lose my endurance. Basically I just need to be pointed in the right direction. If you could help I would greatly appreciate it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ok i am completely new to this and i am totally confused i wont lie. I don't have one clue as where to start. I am in the military and i am in good shape. Lets see i dont want to be a bb i just want to get stronger and add a little size im 5'9 183lbs. Im 30 yrs old i eat right don't eat shit food, drink and don't smoke. I have no idea what to take or how much i have spent countless hours researching and keep coming up with the same consensus. Which is i am ****ing lost lol i work out every morning for 2 hours mostly cardiovascular type shit. In the gym for about 2 hours after work. My main concern is i dont want to lose my endurance. Basically i just need to be pointed in the right direction. If you could help i would greatly appreciate it.

you are over-training! You need to cut cardio in half and workout for no longer than 90 minutes 4 times per week. Do around 9 sets per major body part and try to workout with weights before cardio. Unless you aer a genetic freak to begin with p-90x type stuff is not going to add any appreciable muscle to your frame. You must lift heavy!

[11Bgrunt1]

you are over-training! You need to cut cardio in half and workout for no longer than 90 minutes 4 times per week. Do around 9 sets per major body part and try to workout with weights before cardio. Unless you aer a genetic freak to begin with p-90x type stuff is not going to add any appreciable muscle to your frame. You must lift heavy!

We don't do p90x stuff really its more of a functional fitness type work out. Tractor tire flips shit like that. I get all my workouts from Military Athlete dot com, This type of exercising was done for the SOF community ( Special Operation). This is what I am looking for I have one last deployment before I start the Q course (special forces qualification course). When I went to selection I lost around 30 LBS in 21 days. The Q course is about 18 months long. Your talking about the best the ARMY has to offer. MY endurance has to be extremely high I can not loose this. But I want to add some muscle and strength I noticed from the 21 day selection course that well, I needed to be stronger to compete with the rest of my peers. I lost every bit of my strength by the end. I am not asking to be a machine but i want to be as close as possible to one. Im not looking to add muscle for appearance reasons I am just looking for a way to gain the most strength I can and keep it when under extreme stresses. MAybe this is not the best place to get the information I need but I know not everyone one here does cycles just for appearances there has to be someone one here that understands what Im trying to do.

[dirtysouth]

Hey Ron, First of all I have been reading this thread for the past week now and have soaked in all of this information. You seem very educated on the subject matter and I appreciate it. Now my question to you is this:
I started a 12 week cycle of test/deca last October 500mgs Test/400mgs Deca, the cycle ended mid Jan and took 5 weeks off of both anabolics (no PCT). I started another cycle of Test/Dbol ( 750mgs Test/ 50mgs Dbol )after the 5 week break and am currently in my tenth week of that cycle. After reading through this thread I'm gonna finish up this last week and was wondering if I can continue cycling using the slingshot method by taking a 2 week deload using clomid and nolva since I didnt do a PCT last time and begin with a Test/Tren cycle ( Test 500mgs/Tren 75mgs EOD ) for 8 weeks reload and then start a full blown PCT with HCG, clomid, and nolva?? or my other option is if I could continue the slingshot method using AAS until Im burned out but still using clomid and nolva and stopping Anabolics during my 2 week deload phases to try and keep from shutting down permanently once I finish my run??? What do you think? any suggestions would be great, thanks Ron

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, First of all I have been reading this thread for the past week now and have soaked in all of this information. You seem very educated on the subject matter and I appreciate it. Now my question to you is this:
I started a 12 week cycle of test/deca last October 500mgs Test/400mgs Deca, the cycle ended mid Jan and took 5 weeks off of both anabolics (no PCT). I started another cycle of Test/Dbol ( 750mgs Test/ 50mgs Dbol )after the 5 week break and am currently in my tenth week of that cycle. After reading through this thread I'm gonna finish up this last week and was wondering if I can continue cycling using the slingshot method by taking a 2 week deload using clomid and nolva since I didnt do a PCT last time and begin with a Test/Tren cycle ( Test 500mgs/Tren 75mgs EOD ) for 8 weeks reload and then start a full blown PCT with HCG, clomid, and nolva?? or my other option is if I could continue the slingshot method using AAS until Im burned out but still using clomid and nolva and stopping Anabolics during my 2 week deload phases to try and keep from shutting down permanently once I finish my run??? What do you think? any suggestions would be great, thanks Ron

Clomid and nolva is not going to do much of anything positive to get your testis producing again during 2 week deloads. You need to think-HCG! Some people run HCG at 500 per week through 2 weekly injections throughout entire cycle (both reloads and deloads) or wait unitl you come off to run a full pct at higher dosages for around 2-3 weeks.. During 2 week deloads you should stay on low dosages of test but hcg and nolva can be added during that 2 week period.

[dirtysouth]

Clomid and nolva is not going to do much of anything positive to get your testis producing again during 2 week deloads. You need to think-HCG! Some people run HCG at 500 per week through 2 weekly injections throughout entire cycle (both reloads and deloads) or wait unitl you come off to run a full pct at higher dosages for around 2-3 weeks.. During 2 week deloads you should stay on low dosages of test but hcg and nolva can be added during that 2 week period.

Ok so will continue with the test, im currently running 750mgs a week. What will I lower it too during the deload considering im using sustanon 250? And then what would I ramp it back up too along witht the tren a dosage ( I have never used tren before keep in mind )? One last thing when I start my full blown pct at the end of the test tren cycle what would consider as far as dosages for hcg clomd and nolva and for how long considering my cycles length over the past 6 months? Thank u so much for ur help, I really appreciate it.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

question ronnie...as i progresses as a bodybuilder...must i continue getting stronger.. to keep getting larger msucles???

[Ronnie Rowland]

ok so will continue with the test, im currently running 750mgs a week. What will i lower it too during the deload considering im using sustanon 250? do 1 shot per week which is 250 mgs per week of sustanon.and then what would i ramp it back up too along witht the tren a dosage ( i have never used tren before keep in mind )? keep test the same (750 per week) and do around 300 mgs of tren per week.one last thing when i start my full blown pct at the end of the test tren cycle what would consider as far as dosages for hcg clomd and nolva and for how long considering my cycles length over the past 6 months? Thank u so much for ur help, i really appreciate it. i would take hcg at 2500 ius eod for 2 weeks. Take 50 mgs twice a day of clomid for 4 weeks and 20mgs of nolvadex once a day for 4 weeks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

We don't do p90x stuff really its more of a functional fitness type work out. Tractor tire flips shit like that. I get all my workouts from Military Athlete dot com, This type of exercising was done for the SOF community ( Special Operation). This is what I am looking for I have one last deployment before I start the Q course (special forces qualification course). When I went to selection I lost around 30 LBS in 21 days. The Q course is about 18 months long. Your talking about the best the ARMY has to offer. MY endurance has to be extremely high I can not loose this. But I want to add some muscle and strength I noticed from the 21 day selection course that well, I needed to be stronger to compete with the rest of my peers. I lost every bit of my strength by the end. I am not asking to be a machine but i want to be as close as possible to one. Im not looking to add muscle for appearance reasons I am just looking for a way to gain the most strength I can and keep it when under extreme stresses. MAybe this is not the best place to get the information I need but I know not everyone one here does cycles just for appearances there has to be someone one here that understands what Im trying to do.

I see! Orals like winstrol and anavar can help you gain strength without adding bulk. 40 mgs of anavar daily would be the best place to start IMO..