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[11Bgrunt1]

you are over-training! You need to cut cardio in half and workout for no longer than 90 minutes 4 times per week. Do around 9 sets per major body part and try to workout with weights before cardio. Unless you aer a genetic freak to begin with p-90x type stuff is not going to add any appreciable muscle to your frame. You must lift heavy!

We don't do p90x stuff really its more of a functional fitness type work out. Tractor tire flips shit like that. I get all my workouts from Military Athlete dot com, This type of exercising was done for the SOF community ( Special Operation). This is what I am looking for I have one last deployment before I start the Q course (special forces qualification course). When I went to selection I lost around 30 LBS in 21 days. The Q course is about 18 months long. Your talking about the best the ARMY has to offer. MY endurance has to be extremely high I can not loose this. But I want to add some muscle and strength I noticed from the 21 day selection course that well, I needed to be stronger to compete with the rest of my peers. I lost every bit of my strength by the end. I am not asking to be a machine but i want to be as close as possible to one. Im not looking to add muscle for appearance reasons I am just looking for a way to gain the most strength I can and keep it when under extreme stresses. MAybe this is not the best place to get the information I need but I know not everyone one here does cycles just for appearances there has to be someone one here that understands what Im trying to do.

[dirtysouth]

Hey Ron, First of all I have been reading this thread for the past week now and have soaked in all of this information. You seem very educated on the subject matter and I appreciate it. Now my question to you is this:
I started a 12 week cycle of test/deca last October 500mgs Test/400mgs Deca, the cycle ended mid Jan and took 5 weeks off of both anabolics (no PCT). I started another cycle of Test/Dbol ( 750mgs Test/ 50mgs Dbol )after the 5 week break and am currently in my tenth week of that cycle. After reading through this thread I'm gonna finish up this last week and was wondering if I can continue cycling using the slingshot method by taking a 2 week deload using clomid and nolva since I didnt do a PCT last time and begin with a Test/Tren cycle ( Test 500mgs/Tren 75mgs EOD ) for 8 weeks reload and then start a full blown PCT with HCG, clomid, and nolva?? or my other option is if I could continue the slingshot method using AAS until Im burned out but still using clomid and nolva and stopping Anabolics during my 2 week deload phases to try and keep from shutting down permanently once I finish my run??? What do you think? any suggestions would be great, thanks Ron

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, First of all I have been reading this thread for the past week now and have soaked in all of this information. You seem very educated on the subject matter and I appreciate it. Now my question to you is this:
I started a 12 week cycle of test/deca last October 500mgs Test/400mgs Deca, the cycle ended mid Jan and took 5 weeks off of both anabolics (no PCT). I started another cycle of Test/Dbol ( 750mgs Test/ 50mgs Dbol )after the 5 week break and am currently in my tenth week of that cycle. After reading through this thread I'm gonna finish up this last week and was wondering if I can continue cycling using the slingshot method by taking a 2 week deload using clomid and nolva since I didnt do a PCT last time and begin with a Test/Tren cycle ( Test 500mgs/Tren 75mgs EOD ) for 8 weeks reload and then start a full blown PCT with HCG, clomid, and nolva?? or my other option is if I could continue the slingshot method using AAS until Im burned out but still using clomid and nolva and stopping Anabolics during my 2 week deload phases to try and keep from shutting down permanently once I finish my run??? What do you think? any suggestions would be great, thanks Ron

Clomid and nolva is not going to do much of anything positive to get your testis producing again during 2 week deloads. You need to think-HCG! Some people run HCG at 500 per week through 2 weekly injections throughout entire cycle (both reloads and deloads) or wait unitl you come off to run a full pct at higher dosages for around 2-3 weeks.. During 2 week deloads you should stay on low dosages of test but hcg and nolva can be added during that 2 week period.

[dirtysouth]

Clomid and nolva is not going to do much of anything positive to get your testis producing again during 2 week deloads. You need to think-HCG! Some people run HCG at 500 per week through 2 weekly injections throughout entire cycle (both reloads and deloads) or wait unitl you come off to run a full pct at higher dosages for around 2-3 weeks.. During 2 week deloads you should stay on low dosages of test but hcg and nolva can be added during that 2 week period.

Ok so will continue with the test, im currently running 750mgs a week. What will I lower it too during the deload considering im using sustanon 250? And then what would I ramp it back up too along witht the tren a dosage ( I have never used tren before keep in mind )? One last thing when I start my full blown pct at the end of the test tren cycle what would consider as far as dosages for hcg clomd and nolva and for how long considering my cycles length over the past 6 months? Thank u so much for ur help, I really appreciate it.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

question ronnie...as i progresses as a bodybuilder...must i continue getting stronger.. to keep getting larger msucles???

[Ronnie Rowland]

question ronnie...as i progresses as a bodybuilder...must i continue getting stronger.. to keep getting larger msucles.

No Vince..LOL..You do not have to keep getting stronger inorder to continue get bigger. Jay Cutler has not gained any strength for the past two years and he's bigger than ever! ONLY POWERLIFTER"S ARE REQUIRED TO LIFT MORE AND MORE WEIGHT. BODYBUILDING IS ABOUT LOOKING GOOD WHICH REQUIRES WORKING THE MUSCLES WITH TIME-UNDER-TENSION NOT NECCESARILY LIFTING HEAVY WEIGHTS EVEN THOUGH SOME CAN DUE TO THEIR THICK TENDONS, LARGE MUSCLES AND BIOMECHANICS...So, What is required for bodybuilding is time-under- tension and being consistent with workouts, diet and anabolics. When you perform enough volume using good form the muscle become stimulated to grow. Over time they will grow. Striving to always lift more weight as you become more and more advanced can be one the worst thing you can do as a bodybuilder because it brings forth injury and frustration. More volume and impeccable form to increase time-under-tension is the secret at that juncture! However, as a beginner making some strength gains are more important.

[Tom Bodo]

i startet growth 2 days ago. I'm bloating pretty much, feeling tired after injects and getting extremely hungry for a couple of hours after the injects. I think these feelings are normal right? it can be because it causes a little water retention upfront and messing with your blood sugar levels. It should level off in 4 weeks or so,.
But then i also feel a significant increase in libido. I'm sort of feeling, that i did double up my test dose. Did you notice something similar on growth? gh increases sex drive for some people!

I'm very glad to hear from you, that the bloat will level off sooner or later. I got 6 labs of water the first 3 days. Specially the face is looking sick.

I did cut down the carbs and upped the water intake. I guess the only thing that really helps is some lasix right? Or do you have some other advice?

[delta1111]

???No Vince..LOL..You do not have to keep getting stronger inorder to continue get bigger. Jay Cutler has not gained any strength for the past two years and he's bigger than ever! What is required for bodybuilding is time-under- tension and being consistent with workouts, diet and anabolics. When you perform enough volume using good form the muscle become stimulated to grow. Over time they will grow. Striving to always lift more weight as you become more and more advanced can be one the worst thing you can do as a bodybuilder because it brings forth injury and frustration. More volume and impeccable form to increase time-under-tension is the secret at that juncture! However, as a beginner making some strength gains are more important.

Interesting, I always thought that muscle size and strength were relative and have always used strength as one of the means of measuring my progress. Thanks for clearing that up Ronnie and good question VV.
I still am still pretty weak when I compare some of my lifts to other people's. Does this mean I will not get much stronger than I am now and will I always be behind others in terms of strength?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ok so will continue with the test, im currently running 750mgs a week. What will i lower it too during the deload considering im using sustanon 250? do 1 shot per week which is 250 mgs per week of sustanon.and then what would i ramp it back up too along witht the tren a dosage ( i have never used tren before keep in mind )? keep test the same (750 per week) and do around 300 mgs of tren per week.one last thing when i start my full blown pct at the end of the test tren cycle what would consider as far as dosages for hcg clomd and nolva and for how long considering my cycles length over the past 6 months? Thank u so much for ur help, i really appreciate it. i would take hcg at 2500 ius eod for 2 weeks. Take 50 mgs twice a day of clomid for 4 weeks and 20mgs of nolvadex once a day for 4 weeks

above

[dirtysouth]

above

Your awesome man, I truly appreciate you taking the time to answer.

[morado02]

Hi Ronnie:

I'd like to ask you, what about a female doing this system?

How would it be doing it with Primo? for a 30 y/o female

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

We don't do p90x stuff really its more of a functional fitness type work out. Tractor tire flips shit like that. I get all my workouts from Military Athlete dot com, This type of exercising was done for the SOF community ( Special Operation). This is what I am looking for I have one last deployment before I start the Q course (special forces qualification course). When I went to selection I lost around 30 LBS in 21 days. The Q course is about 18 months long. Your talking about the best the ARMY has to offer. MY endurance has to be extremely high I can not loose this. But I want to add some muscle and strength I noticed from the 21 day selection course that well, I needed to be stronger to compete with the rest of my peers. I lost every bit of my strength by the end. I am not asking to be a machine but i want to be as close as possible to one. Im not looking to add muscle for appearance reasons I am just looking for a way to gain the most strength I can and keep it when under extreme stresses. MAybe this is not the best place to get the information I need but I know not everyone one here does cycles just for appearances there has to be someone one here that understands what Im trying to do.

I see! Orals like winstrol and anavar can help you gain strength without adding bulk. 40 mgs of anavar daily would be the best place to start IMO..