1st Cycle. Test Prop.

[The Bear 79]

So looking at my pics and posts in this thread, you honestly think i shoud head to the diet section?! cmon really?

I have spent thousands of hours reading up on nutrition and lifting the past five years. I know how to correctly bulk/cut. I know how many calories my body needs to lose weight/gain weight. I know how carb sensitive my body is.

I appreciate the fact you are trying to steer me in the right direction but i feel your advice is given soley on my weight and nothing else, even though my current weight doesnt show how experience or developed i am

Well, if u don't hav a good foundation, u don't hav a good foundation.............period. Cycling without a good foundation is a waste of time & $$$$$.

[bluestone10]

Well, if u don't hav a good foundation, u don't hav a good foundation.............period. Cycling without a good foundation is a waste of time & $$$$$.

But wtf!? how can you say i havnt got a good foundation. Ok, maybe the first three photos dont look too good because of being carb depleted but the last pic? that is 174lbs of quality on an extreme ectomorph.

That pic is the result of thousands and thousands of hours in the gym. 100% dedication. countless thousands of hours of reading up on nutrition and lifting. If that is not good foundation then what is???

Show me a picture of someone with good foundation.

[The Bear 79]

But wtf!? how can you say i havnt got a good foundation. Ok, maybe the first three photos dont look too good because of being carb depleted but the last pic? that is 174lbs of quality on an extreme ectomorph.

That pic is the result of thousands and thousands of hours in the gym. 100% dedication. countless thousands of hours of reading up on nutrition and lifting. If that is not good foundation then what is???

Show me a picture of someone with good foundation.

OK, so u hav good dedication.................great. U hav proven training & diet experience............awesome. But @ 5'-11" & 158.5 lbs................u hav no foundation. At ur height, u should b closer 2 the 200 lbs / 10 - 15% BF mark, b4 u cycle, that's a fairly decent foundation 4 some1 ur height.

[gixxerboy1]

OK, so u hav good dedication.................great. U hav proven training & diet experience............awesome. But @ 5'-11" & 158.5 lbs................u hav no foundation. At ur height, u should b closer 2 the 200 lbs / 10 - 15% BF mark, b4 u cycle, that's a fairly decent foundation 4 some1 ur height.

I agree. Even if you were 180 and 10% i would be fine. You under 160lbs at 5'11. Yes you a ripped but that isnt much muscle on a 5'11 person.

I agree you probably know nutrition very well. Then start eating to gain muscle and put on some size first.

[bluestone10]

I agree. Even if you were 180 and 10% i would be fine. You under 160lbs at 5'11. Yes you a ripped but that isnt much muscle on a 5'11 person.

I agree you probably know nutrition very well. Then start eating to gain muscle and put on some size first.

no no no, guys. 158.5 is CARB DEPLETED at low bodyfat. In my fourth pic I weigh 174 LBS @ 8%. 174@8%=180+@10%=200@15%

how many times must isay this. CARB DEPLETED WHEN SUB 8% BF ECTOMORPH = LOW NUMBERS

I am litterally 2 weeks from 180@10% if i wanted to. krank up carbs and lift heavy as fukk and muscle/water/fat would put me at 180 in no time.

I have the muscle, its just depleted in the first 3 pics.

[The Bear 79]

no no no, guys. 158.5 is CARB DEPLETED at low bodyfat. In my fourth pic I weigh 174 LBS @ 8%. 174@8%=180+@10%=200@15%

how many times must isay this. CARB DEPLETED WHEN SUB 8% BF ECTOMORPH = LOW NUMBERS

I am litterally 2 weeks from 180@10% if i wanted to. krank up carbs and lift heavy as fukk and muscle/water/fat would put me at 180 in no time.

I have the muscle, its just depleted in the first 3 pics.

Alright, let's eliminate the confusion. Wut r ur stats RITE NOW AS WE SPEAK?

[bluestone10]

Alright, let's eliminate the confusion. Wut r ur stats RITE NOW AS WE SPEAK?

well thats the thing. It depends on my carb intake. As of this second it is 158.5bls, but if i was to eat say 700g carbs tonight i would wake up tomorrow weighing 170lbs becuase of the water (still @ sub 8% tho).

The whole reason i cut down to 158.5 (which took me 2 weeks by the way ie mostly water) was because Ive read countless times you should be ripped when you start your cycle to minimize possility of gyno.

If you guys rather i be 180@10%, well ok then. No problem. That will take me 2 weeks. I do have the muscle and foundation tho. I just dont know how else to explain it or show it.

[bluestone10]

i think your foundation is fine,
what exactly is your ?
Why start with HCG at the beggining if its gonna take a few weeks for the test to shut you down.

fair enough. I was reading Swiftos Q&A thread in the pct section and from what i gathered i should run it from the start, but what your saying makes sence. Anyone else have an opinion on the matter?

OK, so u hav good dedication.................great. U hav proven training & diet experience............awesome. But @ 5'-11" & 158.5 lbs................u hav no foundation. At ur height, u should b closer 2 the 200 lbs / 10 - 15% BF mark, b4 u cycle, that's a fairly decent foundation 4 some1 ur height.

In my fourth pic i weigh 174lbs, not 158.5. And that is still at 8% bf.
At 10% bf i weigh 180+, and at 15% (which is fat as fukk and something i will never be again) i weigh more than 200 lbs.