S4 (33mg/day) x 12 weeks. Var (35mg/day) x 6 weeks. MK (15mg/day) x 3 weeks. PCT?

[MeatHead85]

Im seeing more and more "cycles" like this popping up. People who dont want to pin, so they rely on a lot of orals without understanding what they are doing completely. Orals are a really easy sale and make the most amount of money for a dealer so they are pushing like crazy in almost every high school.. scary shit

If you can't pin then you shouldn't even consider AAS...

[Furious.George]

by s4 do you mean sarms? and whats mk? coding not necessary.
35mgs var = nothing.
age and stats?

Age 30, 190lbs, 15% BF and dropping.

MK is MK2866, and yes S4 as in the SARM.

x2, i dont know what its supposed to be!

If you can't pin then you shouldn't even consider AAS...

I see a huge waste of time and money. You are not going to see much from this proposed "cycle" if you can call it that

Im seeing more and more "cycles" like this popping up. People who dont want to pin, so they rely on a lot of orals without understanding what they are doing completely. Orals are a really easy sale and make the most amount of money for a dealer so they are pushing like crazy in almost every high school.. scary shit

I use GH @ 5IU/day. Does that count as pinning, or does it need to be IM?

Anyway, I'm really happy with my results, and my cycle was anabolic enough to prevent me from losing muscle @ 150mcg/day of T3. Even in the winter with all this heavy clothes I get comments, even a few people asking if I'm "on roids".

Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn't have done a thing different (except maybe make the S4 cycle shorter, and use more Var).

It sounds like you guys think my cycle was mild enough that there is no need for PCT, right?

I don't believe anyone answered that question directly.

[dec11]

Age 30, 190lbs, 15% BF and dropping.

MK is MK2866, and yes S4 as in the SARM.









I use GH @ 5IU/day. Does that count as pinning, or does it need to be IM?

Anyway, I'm really happy with my results, and my cycle was anabolic enough to prevent me from losing muscle @ 150mcg/day of T3. Even in the winter with all this heavy clothes I get comments, even a few people asking if I'm "on roids".

Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn't have done a thing different (except maybe make the S4 cycle shorter, and use more Var).

It sounds like you guys think my cycle was mild enough that there is no need for PCT, right?

I don't believe anyone answered that question directly.

man you're only 190lbs lol, where do you live, Lilliput?

190lbs and 15% is nothing to write home about if you want it honestly. if you're so happy with this, what do you need us for?

you've been told that anavar is a waste at that paltry dosage and the only thing that would require a pct. from what ive heard the whole S4 thing is BS.

[Furious.George]

man you're only 190lbs lol, where do you live, Lilliput?

190lbs and 15% is nothing to write home about if you want it honestly. if you're so happy with this, what do you need us for?

Lol @ Lilliput. I wasn't bragging. You asked so I answered. Anyway, my goal was to increase strength and decrease body fat, and I've achieved both so far. When I started I was a lot tubbier, a lot weaker, and injured to boot.

What I need you guys for is to tell me if this cycle requires PCT, and it sounds like you say it doesn't.

you've been told that anavar is a waste at that paltry dosage and the only thing that would require a pct. from what ive heard the whole S4 thing is BS.

Like I said, I'd be happy to try again with more var. I read in a few places that the minimum dose was 50mg/day, but I figured since I was also stacking the SARMs that I could get away with a little less.

However, I have to say I was pretty impressed with S4. The effects did quickly drop off after 6 weeks (around when night-vision improved). I've never used any other gear, so I have no frame of reference to compare it, but I'd use it again. If you're going to tell me that IM T works faster and better I would believe it, but my goal was never to get as big as I could as fast as I could.

If given the choice between gear and keeping my hair, I'd chose the latter and go all natty in a sec. That's why I went with such a non-androgenic stack. I suspect that in this regard my values do not align with those of the rest of the forum, which may be why you're all looking at me like I have two heads and three faces. In fact, my source "threw in" 100 x 10mg of D-bol, and I didn't use it because I didn't feel I needed it and I realize it's more androgenic than the others, especially when used concurrently with 5ar inhibitors. In other words, I chose protecting my follicles over a few lbs of LBM. That must really blow your mind.

Anyway, thanks again for the constructive criticism again, and I even think I detected an implied answer to my question there. You think that var would be the only thing that suppresses, and that I didn't use enough to necessitate PCT.

There is one important thing I forgot to mention: speaking of hair I've been using 5ar inhibitors for many years. I suspect that, along with my high BF percentage would make me more susceptible to estrogenic sides after my cycle. Does that change anything as far as my need for PCT?

Thanks again, and sorry for leaving that last bit out in my OP.

[dec11]

Lol @ Lilliput. I wasn't bragging. You asked so I answered. Anyway, my goal was to increase strength and decrease body fat, and I've achieved both so far. When I started I was a lot tubbier, a lot weaker, and injured to boot.

What I need you guys for is to tell me if this cycle requires PCT, and it sounds like you say it doesn't.



Like I said, I'd be happy to try again with more var. I read in a few places that the minimum dose was 50mg/day, but I figured since I was also stacking the SARMs that I could get away with a little less.

However, I have to say I was pretty impressed with S4. The effects did quickly drop off after 6 weeks (around when night-vision improved). I've never used any other gear, so I have no frame of reference to compare it, but I'd use it again. If you're going to tell me that IM T works faster and better I would believe it, but my goal was never to get as big as I could as fast as I could.

If given the choice between gear and keeping my hair, I'd chose the latter and go all natty in a sec. That's why I went with such a non-androgenic stack. I suspect that in this regard my values do not align with those of the rest of the forum, which may be why you're all looking at me like I have two heads and three faces. In fact, my source "threw in" 100 x 10mg of D-bol, and I didn't use it because I didn't feel I needed it and I realize it's more androgenic than the others, especially when used concurrently with 5ar inhibitors. In other words, I chose protecting my follicles over a few lbs of LBM. That must really blow your mind.

Anyway, thanks again for the constructive criticism again, and I even think I detected an implied answer to my question there. You think that var would be the only thing that suppresses, and that I didn't use enough to necessitate PCT.

There is one important thing I forgot to mention: speaking of hair I've been using 5ar inhibitors for many years. I suspect that, along with my high BF percentage would make me more susceptible to estrogenic sides after my cycle. Does that change anything as far as my need for PCT

Thanks again, and sorry for leaving that last bit out in my OP.

man what are you on about?! and where did i say PCT wasnt required, i did say that anavar dose is a waste of time.

you obviously have no clue about AAS or what you are doing and by the sounds of it you wont want to listen either and THATS why ppl look at you as if you've two heads. so im out........

[Furious.George]

man what are you on about?! and where did i say PCT wasnt required, i did say that anavar dose is a waste of time.
you obviously have no clue about AAS or what you are doing and by the sounds of it you wont want to listen either and THATS why ppl look at you as if you've two heads. so im out........

Sigh...

I appreciate all the constructive crtiticim guys, but can someone just give an opinion on whether I need to use this PCT or not?

I get it, waste of money, not a real cycle, and all that. There's nothing I can do about it now. On Monday the cycle is over, and I need to decide whether to start PCT.

I promise I'll use more var next time, cross my heart and hope to die.