S4 (33mg/day) x 12 weeks. Var (35mg/day) x 6 weeks. MK (15mg/day) x 3 weeks. PCT?

[Furious.George]

OK, I've taken all your suggestions into consideration, and here's what I'm leaning toward right now.

Tamoxifen
40mg/ED week 1, 20mg/ED for 3 weeks.

Letrozole
0.5mg/ED for 3 weeks

Ostasarm
12.5mg for 3 weeks

Nothing
0mg for final two weeks of 6 week PCT

Restart Cycle - 6 weeks
.33mg/ED S4 gradually increasing to up to 100mg
12.5mg/ED Ostasarm gradually increasing to 25mg
60mg/ED Var

Repeat PCT

Repeat Cycle

At this point I will have finished my 36 week HGH cycle (which I kinda regret starting but may as well see it through now)

Last PCT

At this point I assume I will have met all my goals in terms of fat reduction and muscle gain, and I will stick a fork in the AAS thing for a while.

I realize no one recommended Letro, but since I'm using dutasteride I'm somewhat worried about gyno. Like I said, my BF% is high, I have some fat accumulation in my breast area (pseudo-gyno, no pain, no hard lump), and I'm worried that this is a canary in my coal mine.

I also realize that it was recommended I use tamoxifen for 5 weeks, but since I wanna go on 6 week/6 week cycle/pct from now on I'd like 2 weeks of natty to get lab work before restarting my cycle. Bad idea?

I look forward to your continued flames... I mean: advice.

[dec11]

OK, I've taken all your suggestions into consideration, and here's what I'm leaning toward right now.

Tamoxifen
40mg/ED week 1, 20mg/ED for 3 weeks.

Letrozole
0.5mg/ED for 3 weeks

Ostasarm
12.5mg for 3 weeks

Nothing
0mg for final two weeks of 6 week PCT

Restart Cycle - 6 weeks
.33mg/ED S4 gradually increasing to up to 100mg
12.5mg/ED Ostasarm gradually increasing to 25mg
60mg/ED Var

Repeat PCT

Repeat Cycle

At this point I will have finished my 36 week HGH cycle (which I kinda regret starting but may as well see it through now)

Last PCT

At this point I assume I will have met all my goals in terms of fat reduction and muscle gain, and I will stick a fork in the AAS thing for a while.

I realize no one recommended Letro, but since I'm using dutasteride I'm somewhat worried about gyno. Like I said, my BF% is high, I have some fat accumulation in my breast area (pseudo-gyno, no pain, no hard lump), and I'm worried that this is a canary in my coal mine.

I also realize that it was recommended I use tamoxifen for 5 weeks, but since I wanna go on 6 week/6 week cycle/pct from now on I'd like 2 weeks of natty to get lab work before restarting my cycle. Bad idea?

I look forward to your continued flames... I mean: advice.

time on + pct time = time off or if bloodwork says otherwise. you cannot just keep jumping on and off AAS. you dont need letro either, not even for the harshest of cycles. for that cyle of var i'd doubt you'd need any AI at all

[Furious.George]

time on + pct time = time off or if bloodwork says otherwise.

Just making sure I got you: 6 week cycle + 6 week PCT = 12 weeks nothing, and repeat is how I should do it.

My only concern is that I've been told for best results GH should be used with some AAS, and in this scenario I'd be AAS free for 18 of the final 24 weeks of my uber-expensive GH cycle.

Actually, since I used S4 alone for 6 weeks you could say that 12 weeks of cycle + 6 Weeks of PCT = 18 weeks of nothing, meaning that I would not be using any AAS until after my GH cycle is complete!

I'm already worried that I'm flushing money down the drain with HGH to begin with.

you cannot just keep jumping on and off AAS. you dont need letro either, not even for the harshest of cycles. for that cyle of var i'd doubt you'd need any AI at all

I see where you're coming from, but keep in mind that I'm using a potent 5ar inhibitor (dutasteride) so I have essentially 0 DHT. Works great for keeping my hair for 11 years (ever met a 19 year old with aggressive hair loss that isn't bald by 30?), but I'm concerned that I'm gonna get gyno for my lack of DHT.

Like I said, no hard lump, no pain, but I do accumulate some of my 15% BF there, and I do feel something under my nip, though it's soft and not tender at all.

Still think no letro is needed?

I appreciate the time you've donated to this thread.

[dec11]

Just making sure I got you: 6 week cycle + 6 week PCT = 12 weeks nothing, and repeat is how I should do it.

My only concern is that I've been told for best results GH should be used with some AAS, and in this scenario I'd be AAS free for 18 of the final 24 weeks of my uber-expensive GH cycle.

Actually, since I used S4 alone for 6 weeks you could say that 12 weeks of cycle + 6 Weeks of PCT = 18 weeks of nothing, meaning that I would not be using any AAS until after my GH cycle is complete!

I'm already worried that I'm flushing money down the drain with HGH to begin with.



I see where you're coming from, but keep in mind that I'm using a potent 5ar inhibitor (dutasteride) so I have essentially 0 DHT. Works great for keeping my hair for 11 years (ever met a 19 year old with aggressive hair loss that isn't bald by 30?), but I'm concerned that I'm gonna get gyno for my lack of DHT.

Like I said, no hard lump, no pain, but I do accumulate some of my 15% BF there, and I do feel something under my nip, though it's soft and not tender at all.

Still think no letro is needed?

I appreciate the time you've donated to this thread.

man your a hard nut to crack. just cos you're using hgh doesnt mean you need to stay on AAS, the hgh will do what the hgh does. letro is not needed and will eat away at muscle. you dont need a 6wk pct from anavar ,4 is enough so tht would = 10wks off. as for tht S4 etc, id spend the money on more hgh than tht crap tbh.

is the HGH good pharma brand or chinese crap?

[Furious.George]

man your a hard nut to crack.

Please be patient. There's a lot of conflicting info out there. You know I appreciate you and your (terse) advice.

just cos you're using hgh doesnt mean you need to stay on AAS, the hgh will do what the hgh does.

The only problem I see with that statement is in that link in my last post. What if HGH does nothing without AAS? I guess that's a risk I'll have to take at this point.

letro is not needed and will eat away at muscle.

Sounds like you're not worried about me getting gyno. OK, I'm convinced. (Until someone drops in with more conflicting info.)

you dont need a 6wk pct from anavar ,4 is enough so tht would = 10wks off. as for tht S4 etc, id spend the money on more hgh than tht crap tbh.

Like I said: I have no frame of reference having never used anything other than sarms and a low dose of var, but from my experience I think you're being a bit harsh on the S4.

My first week on S4 was not my first week at the gym, and the results, and especially how quickly I saw results, were nothing short of amazing for me.

I can unequivocally say it was not a placebo effect.

If something else is stronger, which I'm sure something else is, then I don't need stronger.

The effect did wear out quickly, and increasing my dose didn't seem to help.

is the HGH good pharma brand or chinese crap?

Crap (from a reputable source).

I got expected sides once I got above 3.5IU/day, so I assume it's real.

[dec11]

Please be patient. There's a lot of conflicting info out there. You know I appreciate you and your (terse) advice.its not terse, you just dont seem to listen



The only problem I see with that statement is in that link in my last post. What if HGH does nothing without AAS? I guess that's a risk I'll have to take at this point. my gf's brother has been on hgh for over a year, never touched AAS in his life, fantastic results for what he wants



Sounds like you're not worried about me getting gyno. OK, I'm convinced. (Until someone drops in with more conflicting info.) you are not getting gyno from low dose anavar. ive been caught out and had extremely sore nips and lumps forming for 3wks on tren and test, got an AI and boom they disappeared, ive not got any gyno. i can shoot 300mg tets pw and not get gyno symptoms. now for the shock, im gyno prone!!



Like I said: I have no frame of reference having never used anything other than sarms and a low dose of var, but from my experience I think you're being a bit harsh on the S4. i would try anything once and ive never ever had a desire to try tht, ive heard NONE of the top guys on here even ever mention it, hence ive never bothered

My first week on S4 was not my first week at the gym, and the results, and especially how quickly I saw results, were nothing short of amazing for me.

I can unequivocally say it was not a placebo effect. not convinced, a change in diet and the anavar could have had you 'feeling it'

If something else is stronger, which I'm sure something else is, then I don't need stronger.

The effect did wear out quickly, and increasing my dose didn't seem to help.



Crap (from a reputable source). thats a big oxymoron right there lol

I got expected sides once I got above 3.5IU/day, so I assume it's real means nothing, they use mimicking agents in fake hgh.

bolds

[Furious.George]

you just dont seem to listen

Trust me, I'm taking it all in.

my gf's brother has been on hgh for over a year, never touched AAS in his life, fantastic results for what he wants

you are not getting gyno from low dose anavar. ive been caught out and had extremely sore nips and lumps forming for 3wks on tren and test, got an AI and boom they disappeared, ive not got any gyno. i can shoot 300mg tets pw and not get gyno symptoms. now for the shock, im gyno prone!![/quote]

Encouraging

i would try anything once and ive never ever had a desire to try tht, ive heard NONE of the top guys on here even ever mention it, hence ive never bothered

I'm not trying to be a top guy, and I'm sure the top guys prefer the more androgenic stuff I would never use.

not convinced, a change in diet and the anavar could have had you 'feeling it'

I'd changed my diet months prior, and didn't start the var till six weeks later.

The first six weeks was S4 only, though I guess what I find impressive you may find pretty mediocre.

For me at least the 33mg of S4 was much more noticeable than the 35mg of var, though by the time I'd started var maybe my ARs were downregulated or something.

thats a big oxymoron right there lol

means nothing, they use mimicking agents in fake hgh.

Jerks.

A buddy of mine who's way more of a "pro" than I'll ever be recommended this source to me, so I'm gonna use the same one on faith for lack of any better ideas.