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[Lunk1]

Not quite the same thing....taking steroids isn't going to kill the guy. I understand your point, but this isn't comparing apples to apples.

Anyway, I've said this before too, explaining something to someone is not the same as encouraging them to use something. It's just not....it's not even close. Explaining to someone how a car engine works isn't encoring them to jump in and drive if they're only 13yrs old. In my opinion, it's just better to answer questions directly. I didn't lay out cycle advise or anything like that...I never said, you should do this and that, take these steroids, these SERM's inject HGH on these days etc. etc.

Last thing, I like this board, but like a lot of boards it has a tendency to become arrogant in spite of itself. Basic ideas and opinions get passed around so much that they become "board fact" regardless of them being facts or not. In many ways, steroid message boards are as guilty as anti-steroid people when it comes to basing advice on emotions. This also tends to take away from the purpose of a steroid message board. Think about it...what are the most common replies to most threads? Look at the stickies, do more research, you just need a test cycle and you're too young so I'm not going to explain things to you. I'd bet a million dollars that this represents nearly half the responses on this message board...maybe more. And that raises the most important question of all? If these are the overwhelming replies, why even have a message board? Just make the main page a few stickies, and then have off-topic sections....see my point?

Can you PROVE it wont result in serious health issues including possible death??? I understand my analogy is a bit over the top but that was the point. I think someday if and when you have kids you will see my point. Expalining to a kid how an engine works isn't going to make them drive it. Telling them HOW to drive when the do hit 16 WILL put the thought of doing it now in their head. It;s just how kids work.

There are alot of things I did as a teenager I would NEVER tell my daughter I did. Why? Because to a kid it's the same thing as giving them permission!!!

As far as the board goes. Of course it sounds like a broken friggin record all day...but every so often there is that one kid who says "thank you, I see now this is a bad idea and I am going to get my diet and workout straight first" and then it makes outting up with the same old"tell me cause I'm going to do it anyway" spoiled bratz worth putting up with.

[Metalject]

Can you PROVE it wont result in serious health issues including possible death??? I understand my analogy is a bit over the top but that was the point. I think someday if and when you have kids you will see my point. Expalining to a kid how an engine works isn't going to make them drive it. Telling them HOW to drive when the do hit 16 WILL put the thought of doing it now in their head. It;s just how kids work.

There are alot of things I did as a teenager I would NEVER tell my daughter I did. Why? Because to a kid it's the same thing as giving them permission!!!

As far as the board goes. Of course it sounds like a broken friggin record all day...but every so often there is that one kid who says "thank you, I see now this is a bad idea and I am going to get my diet and workout straight first" and then it makes outting up with the same old"tell me cause I'm going to do it anyway" spoiled bratz worth putting up with.

Prove it? Absolutely....with nearly 100 years of steroid use behind us there has yet to be a single recorded death directly linked to steroid use. There are many good arguments for not using steroids when you're young and while adolescent use is a bad idea one thing I can't stand is adding in reasons that are not true. You're not going to die if you use some testosterone or Dbol at 18 or 20yrs old. Doesn't make it a good idea...repeating that just to clarify.

[Shsm]

Prove it? Absolutely....with nearly 100 years of steroid use behind us there has yet to be a single recorded death directly linked to steroid use. There are many good arguments for not using steroids when you're young and while adolescent use is a bad idea one thing I can't stand is adding in reasons that are not true. You're not going to die if you use some testosterone or Dbol at 18 or 20yrs old. Doesn't make it a good idea...repeating that just to clarify.

You do realize your posts are just encouraging the OP, right?

[Lunk1]

Prove it? Absolutely....with nearly 100 years of steroid use behind us there has yet to be a single recorded death directly linked to steroid use. There are many good arguments for not using steroids when you're young and while adolescent use is a bad idea one thing I can't stand is adding in reasons that are not true. You're not going to die if you use some testosterone or Dbol at 18 or 20yrs old. Doesn't make it a good idea...repeating that just to clarify.

No death has been DIRECTLY attributed to a Big mac either but I wouldn't suggest eating one if you are trying to stay healthy lol. C'mon...ya gotta love my humor

[warmouth]

Prove it? Absolutely....with nearly 100 years of steroid use behind us there has yet to be a single recorded death directly linked to steroid use. There are many good arguments for not using steroids when you're young and while adolescent use is a bad idea one thing I can't stand is adding in reasons that are not true. You're not going to die if you use some testosterone or Dbol at 18 or 20yrs old. Doesn't make it a good idea...repeating that just to clarify.

But isntthis parroting? This has been used for the pro-AASersfor years. There is no way anyonecan provethat AASs cannot kill you. There may or may not have been cases recorded, we dont really know for sure. I amnot saying they will. I am saying they can lead directly to death. We all know as users that it raises blood pressure(stroke), raises RBC(heart attack, internal bleeding, uncontrolled bleeding, etc.) Now of course the logicalpro-AAser will say it wasnt the high blood pressure caused by the AAS use, but the stroke. But it leads back to the AAS use. And to me, that is a direct effect of the steriod. Once again, I am not pro nor against, as it is everyones choice. But it is like saying cigatettes dont kill, the lung cancer killed them. Or alcohol wasnt the culprit, it was the scirosis of the liver. It is a catch 22 either way. We all (who use) know there is a great risk to using. We have probably all experiencedout hearts beating through the sheets. We have probably all had some sort of hormonal imbalance. The list goes on and on. But there is no way you can point out cigarettes and say they kill hundreds of thousands a year, or alcohol, and leave out AAS, can you? With all of those compounds, the compounds were the indirect cause of deaths, but directly related to the deaths.

[Metalject]

But isntthis parroting? This has been used for the pro-AASersfor years. There is no way anyonecan provethat AASs cannot kill you. There may or may not have been cases recorded, we dont really know for sure. I amnot saying they will. I am saying they can lead directly to death. We all know as users that it raises blood pressure(stroke), raises RBC(heart attack, internal bleeding, uncontrolled bleeding, etc.) Now of course the logicalpro-AAser will say it wasnt the high blood pressure caused by the AAS use, but the stroke. But it leads back to the AAS use. And to me, that is a direct effect of the steriod. Once again, I am not pro nor against, as it is everyones choice. But it is like saying cigatettes dont kill, the lung cancer killed them. Or alcohol wasnt the culprit, it was the scirosis of the liver. It is a catch 22 either way. We all (who use) know there is a great risk to using. We have probably all experiencedout hearts beating through the sheets. We have probably all had some sort of hormonal imbalance. The list goes on and on. But there is no way you can point out cigarettes and say they kill hundreds of thousands a year, or alcohol, and leave out AAS, can you? With all of those compounds, the compounds were the indirect cause of deaths, but directly related to the deaths.

I understand what you're saying and you can make similar arguments with many things in life. For example, there are many things in life that can contribute to high cholesterol, and depending on the extent of the levels this may or may not lead to cutting some years off an individual's life. Does this mean we should tell people they cannot eat unhealthy foods? Does this mean we have the right to prohibit an adult from eating as much of those foods as he likes? Of course not, he's free to do whatever he wants. You can explain the consequences of such a lifestyle to him, but that's really the extent.

In the end, I see issues like this all boiling down to one simple factor...liberty of the lack thereof. If an adult wants to use anabolic steroids, he should have the right to do so as long as his actions are not harming anyone else. You can explain the consequences of use to him, encourage him and show him the best steps to follow and explain to him the ins and outs of how various steroids work, but in the end the decision is and should be his alone.