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    Hey Ronnie I am 45 yrs old..5.9 ft tall and weight 185. I have been lifting solid for about four years. Prior to that I lifted off and and on for ten years. On 9/14/10 I weighed 165 and did my 1st shot of test and stayed on until 1/29/11 (4 months) at doses between 500 and 750mgs. Made great gains even though my diet was terrible. But as you know my gains fizzled out. I tried a half assed post cycle for 6 weeks and felt terrible so I jumped back on 3/13/11. I do get yearly physicals btw. My second cycle was no where near as good for gains. Didnt feel like superman anymore even though I was hack squatting 920 for reps. Hadnt read your stuff yet. Bumped dose up to a gram a week for a couple of weeks and lost sex drive so I lowered dosage back to 750mgs..600 mgs..then 500 mgs.. 4 months later I cut my dosage back to 250mgs a week and cruised for a month. On 10/09/11 i jumped back on 500mg test and Dbol for a couple of weeks. I have done dbol before. Made some strenght gains but no weight ( bad diet) On 11/21/11 I cruised again for about 1 months, then stopped copletely for 1 month to get blood work done ..everything ok for the most part. Test level was 297..tried to get on hrt. Doc told me to try clomid and would not prescribe injectable. So I went home and shot a gram of sust and 500 weekly after that for a month and then ran tren for 9 weeks at 300 mgs weekly. Felt great but labido was shot afterwards. I stopped log book after that. I stayed on 500 to 750 of sust up until 2 weeks ago. Cruisin 2 weeks then back on for 8 following your recipe. I know I desperately need to eat more. Plus I have sustained back, neck, rotator cuff, and elbow injuries along the way. Poor form and lifting way too phsyco heavy for my size. Can I continue like this or am I askin for trouble? If I cruise for a month or two can I hang on to gains if I eat alot? And if I have to increase mgs every reload I will be broke and asking for negative sides. I guess if I cruise for a minimum of 2 weeks I will still make gains once back on. Maybe a month cruise would be better, but will I lose alot of size. Also experiencing poor erections after being on for the better part of two years. E levels are probably too high. Never taken an AI...just adjusted my test levels myself. My guess is I have screwed up my system and I will be pinning for life now. Any advice would be appreciated.
    Last edited by Chris J; 09-20-2012 at 06:04 PM.

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    Hey Ronnie, i am just wondering if you could help me out...I started taking sust250 and i have gone through a vial of it but have decided to switch over to test enanthate....
    I am i first timer so i am just wondering if i can just start taking the test e right away at 500mg per week?...and also how often would i shoot that?
    should i shoot 250 on monday and then another 250 on thursday?...or what do you recommend.....Then after the 8 weeks i have clomid and nolva, how much would you say to take during the two weeks and also for the full pct at the end of the 20 weeks.....Your reply is very much appreciated...Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxgear View Post
    Hey Ronnie, i am just wondering if you could help me out...I started taking sust250 and i have gone through a vial of it but have decided to switch over to test enanthate....
    I am i first timer so i am just wondering if i can just start taking the test e right away at 500mg per week? Yes you can.Sustanon is a good anabolic but no better than test-e or test-c and it cost more!..and also how often would i shoot that? Once or twice a week both works fine!should i shoot 250 on monday and then another 250 on thursday?...or what do you recommend. Enanthate is released over a 7 day period so you can shoot 500 mgs only once a week. Test cypionate would be even better IMO due to a 2 week release-hence the reason endocrinologist use it for TRT. ....Then after the 8 weeks i have clomid and nolva, how much would you say to take during the two weeks and also for the full pct at the end of the 20 weeks You need HCG for pct much more than clomid or nolvadex as hcg is what causes the testis to start producing their own testosterone again!......Your reply is very much appreciated...Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
    Hey Ronnie I am 45 yrs old..5.9 ft tall and weight 185. I have been lifting solid for about four years. Prior to that I lifted off and and on for ten years. On 9/14/10 I weighed 165 and did my 1st shot of test and stayed on until 1/29/11 (4 months) at doses between 500 and 750mgs. Made great gains even though my diet was terrible. But as you know my gains fizzled out. I tried a half assed post cycle for 6 weeks and felt terrible so I jumped back on 3/13/11. I do get yearly physicals btw. My second cycle was no where near as good for gains. Didnt feel like superman anymore even though I was hack squatting 920 for reps. Hadnt read your stuff yet. Bumped dose up to a gram a week for a couple of weeks and lost sex drive so I lowered dosage back to 750mgs..600 mgs..then 500 mgs.. 4 months later I cut my dosage back to 250mgs a week and cruised for a month. On 10/09/11 i jumped back on 500mg test and Dbol for a couple of weeks. I have done dbol before. Made some strenght gains but no weight ( bad diet) On 11/21/11 I cruised again for about 1 months, then stopped copletely for 1 month to get blood work done ..everything ok for the most part. Test level was 297..tried to get on hrt. Doc told me to try clomid and would not prescribe injectable. So I went home and shot a gram of sust and 500 weekly after that for a month and then ran tren for 9 weeks at 300 mgs weekly. Felt great but labido was shot afterwards. I stopped log book after that. I stayed on 500 to 750 of sust up until 2 weeks ago. Cruisin 2 weeks then back on for 8 following your recipe. I know I desperately need to eat more. Plus I have sustained back, neck, rotator cuff, and elbow injuries along the way. Poor form and lifting way too phsyco heavy for my size. Can I continue like this or am I askin for trouble? You are saking for trouble because you are all over the place and the heavy lifting in poor form (ego lifting I call it) at 45 is going to keep you in constant pain and eventually rip a tendon. If I cruise for a month or two can I hang on to gains if I eat alot? You can hang onto your weight but you will lose msucle and gain fat. And if I have to increase mgs every reload I will be broke and asking for negative sides. At your age and since you are not competing you do not need to increase dosages each reload. Find a comfort zone and stay there for 8 weeks then back to trt dosages for 2 weeks then back on more test for next 8 week reload. You may find that 500-750 mgs of test alone is all you need and can afford to make your long term goals. Afterall you are not a national level competitor so why not just look good, feel good and do something that you can afford? Diet plays a key role in how you look anyways and you need to stop trying to keep geting stronger and stronger at your level and focus more on less weight and squeezing the muscle to get a pump and burn! My suggestion to you is stay on trt for life and use the slingshot method of cycling when you are cycling. I am willing to bet you are over-training as well for your age. Less can be more as you get past 40 years of age! I guess if I cruise for a minimum of 2 weeks I will still make gains once back on. Maybe a month cruise would be better, but will I lose alot of size. Also experiencing poor erections after being on for the better part of two years. E levels are probably too high. I highly recommend using test and masteron year round to help prevent these issues. You also need to take cialis on a daily basis at age 47 because many people over age 40 have a slightly enlarged prostate. Cialis helps with this issue. Also, if you are one of these people who get an increase in sex drive while using tren expect a crash when you come off. However, cialis and masterone helps counteract this. Never taken an AI...just adjusted my test levels myself. My guess is I have screwed up my system and I will be pinning for life now. Any advice would be appreciated.
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    Thanks for the reply and feedback Ronnie. Yes I probably do overtrain. I just felt like like the greater the stress I put on the body, it would have to grow. I thought constantly pushing it more and more in the form of poundage or resistance was what forced the muscle to grow?? You stated that I should just stick with 500 to 750 mgs on my reloads. Sounds good, but will that be enough to make solid gains on each reload? Or will I just maintain at that level? I guess my concern is if I stop lifting heavy and stay on the same dose... am I going to see size increases? Thnx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
    Thanks for the reply and feedback Ronnie. Yes I probably do overtrain. I just felt like like the greater the stress I put on the body, it would have to grow. I thought constantly pushing it more and more in the form of poundage or resistance was what forced the muscle to grow?? You stated that I should just stick with 500 to 750 mgs on my reloads. Sounds good, but will that be enough to make solid gains on each reload? Well, at 47 years of age it takes a lot more gear to grow than what it would take someone young. Since you cannot afford to stay on higher dosages for lengthy periods and are not competing I would just use lower dosages and just focus on looking good and remaining healthy. You can still gain a little size over time with 750 mgs weekly but it will take getting stronger by taking some orals and more calories to get noticeably larger. This takes more money and becomes harder on your joints so you have to be careful. Or will I just maintain at that level? I guess my concern is if I stop lifting heavy and stay on the same dose... am I going to see size increases? Training too heavy can actually make you smaller because momentum comes into play. Bodybuilding is not powerlifting and these big muscled guys throwing around heavy weights due to having good genetics could get bigger and have less joint pain using better form. You can move a weight too slow as well but most go too fast. Thnx
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    4 day split for Injury

    I'm not able to train Chest and Biceps together. The biceps long head tendon gives me irritation at the shoulder. I need to give it some rest. What is a good 4 day split that doesn't train chest/bi's together?

    I'm currently doing:
    Day 1: Legs (Quad/hams/calf)
    Day 2: Chest/Tri's
    Day 3: Off
    Day 4: Back/Traps
    Day 5: Shoulders/Bi's/Abs
    Day 6/7: Off

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    Quote Originally Posted by F4iGuy View Post
    I'm not able to train Chest and Biceps together. The biceps long head tendon gives me irritation at the shoulder. I need to give it some rest. What is a good 4 day split that doesn't train chest/bi's together? Does training shoulders and bicep together cause you problems?

    I'm currently doing:
    Day 1: Legs (Quad/hams/calf)
    Day 2: Chest/Tri's
    Day 3: Off
    Day 4: Back/Traps
    Day 5: Shoulders/Bi's/Abs
    Day 6/7: Off
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    Quote Originally Posted by f4iguy View Post
    i'm not able to train chest and biceps together. The biceps long head tendon gives me irritation at the shoulder. I need to give it some rest. What is a good 4 day split that doesn't train chest/bi's together?

    I'm currently doing:
    Day 1: Legs (quad/hams/calf) chest/tris
    day 2: Chest/tri's legs
    day 3: Off
    day 4: Back/traps back/traps
    day 5: Shoulders/bi's/abs shoulders/biceps/abs
    day 6/7: Off
    note: It's good practice to not train the day after legs due to cns fatigue!

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