CEL H-DROL First prohormone cycle - need adivce

[Atibbo]

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[Phased]

Prohormones are worse on your body then actual steroids. The only pro hormone to ever come out that was worth it was Superdrol and that came of the market years ago. Even then if you found it I would stack it with a testosterone like cyp, prop or enthnate. The pro hormones now are just a waste of money and can cost more than actual steroids and do more damage to your body then a cycle of test.

Also if you are having Gyno now from when you were younger I would look into reversing that problem first before messing with any hormones at all. Hdrol, cycle assit and all that other stuff you mention besides the nolvadex is waste of money.

Here is all the info in a sub forum about Gyno and lots of other important info

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.UGFJ7Wt5mK0


Best of luck.

[Phased]

Prohormones are worse on your body then actual steroids. The only pro hormone to ever come out that was worth it was Superdrol and that came of the market years ago. Even then if you found it I would stack it with a testosterone like cyp, prop or enthnate. The pro hormones now are just a waste of money and can cost more than actual steroids and do more damage to your body then a cycle of test.

Also if you are having Gyno now from when you were younger I would look into reversing that problem first before messing with any hormones at all. Hdrol, cycle assit and all that other stuff you mention besides the nolvadex is waste of money.

Here is all the info in a sub forum about Gyno and lots of other important info

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.UGFJ7Wt5mK0


Best of luck.

Back to my origional point, if you have Gyno right now, let's reverse that before you start anything.

[Atibbo]

Back to my origional point, if you have Gyno right now, let's reverse that before you start anything.

Should I do it the letro way? That's seems sketchy as hell. My GF will remove my balls if I can't get it up for her. :O

I had a lump under my left nipple and it was puffy, but when I got really cut up last summer the puffiness went away but its still there and kind of long instead of a lump.. it's weird.

My right nipple at the moment has a lump and is a little puffy.

[Ashop]

Hey Guys, I plan on doing a 4 week cycle of "COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS H-DROL"
I'm 26 years old and have been lifting for about 4 years.

First, I'm going to use CEL Cycle assist for 2 weeks before my cycle and then continue using throughout my cycle.

On Cycle:

Hdrol - 50/50/50/50
Cycle Assist - 8 pills a day
CL Orange Triad - 6 pills a day
Taurine - As needed

PCT:

Nova - 20/20/10/10
Gaspari Nutrition ANATROPIN - 3 pills a day untill bottle done.

Now, I should add that I currently have a small case of gyno. When I was younger I did a test cycle without a PCT... Yes very stupid.

So if mid cycle I start to feel some nipple soreness is there something I should have on stand by should such a problem arise?

Thanks for any help!

You may be fine with the 50mg dose but most guys we did trials on with it responded far better at 75-100mg range.

[Honkey_Kong]

Hey Guys, I plan on doing a 4 week cycle of "COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS H-DROL"
I'm 26 years old and have been lifting for about 4 years.

First, I'm going to use CEL Cycle assist for 2 weeks before my cycle and then continue using throughout my cycle.

On Cycle:

Hdrol - 50/50/50/50
Cycle Assist - 8 pills a day
CL Orange Triad - 6 pills a day
Taurine - As needed

PCT:

Nova - 20/20/10/10
Gaspari Nutrition ANATROPIN - 3 pills a day untill bottle done.

Now, I should add that I currently have a small case of gyno. When I was younger I did a test cycle without a PCT... Yes very stupid.

So if mid cycle I start to feel some nipple soreness is there something I should have on stand by should such a problem arise?

Thanks for any help!

If you've run real gear before, why are you going to even bother with prohormones? And why would not having a PCT have caused the gyno? You probably meant an AI there.

[Atibbo]

If you've run real gear before, why are you going to even bother with prohormones? And why would not having a PCT have caused the gyno? You probably meant an AI there.

Well yeah, I didn't have a PCT cycle.. So my estrogen shot up afterwards. I didn't have any SERM or AI or natty test booster to help combat the estrogen.

[Honkey_Kong]

Well yeah, I didn't have a PCT cycle.. So my estrogen shot up afterwards. I didn't have any SERM or AI or natty test booster to help combat the estrogen.

Natty test boosters are shit so don't bother with them. Anyways, if I were you, I'd run a real test cycle rather than some prohormones.

[Atibbo]

Natty test boosters are shit so don't bother with them. Anyways, if I were you, I'd run a real test cycle rather than some prohormones.

Yeah I agree that they are absolute garbage by themselves but, they help during a PCT.

And as for the real gear, I don't have access to any.. My friend moved away and I don't trust anyone else. Lot of fake stuff around.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah I agree that they are absolute garbage by themselves but, they help during a PCT.

And as for the real gear, I don't have access to any.. My friend moved away and I don't trust anyone else. Lot of fake stuff around.

Which test boosters help during PCT and through which ways do they work? Got any studies proving the active ingredients actually work? I don't mean to put you on the spot, but that shit is as useful as snake oil.

[M302_Imola]

Op what is your current body fat %? I ask because the higher your body fat the more likely you are to have higher estrogen leading to gyno and also hdrol is a cutting prohormone much like winstrol, anavar, and tbol. I have ran hdrol in the past while on other gear (test prop) and I wouldn't bother running it unless you were 10% bf or less. At this low of a body fat you will see the hdrol working but anything higher and you'll basically be wasting your money. I don't agree w/ the others that prohormones are a waste as I've had good success w/ CEL Mdrol (superdrol clone) and CEL Hdrol...now that's not to say that most of these newly formulated prohormones aren't total crap but the old school superdrol, mdrol, or hdrol are all good. In fact I like mdrol more than dbol but I've always stacked my orals/prohormones w/ test to get the best bang for my buck. Anyhow, if you do decide to run a prohormone I would stack it with test and if this does not interest you then I would skip the hdrol and run mdrol instead (its much stronger).

[Atibbo]

Op what is your current body fat %? I ask because the higher your body fat the more likely you are to have higher estrogen leading to gyno and also hdrol is a cutting prohormone much like winstrol, anavar, and tbol. I have ran hdrol in the past while on other gear (test prop) and I wouldn't bother running it unless you were 10% bf or less. At this low of a body fat you will see the hdrol working but anything higher and you'll basically be wasting your money. I don't agree w/ the others that prohormones are a waste as I've had good success w/ CEL Mdrol (superdrol clone) and CEL Hdrol...now that's not to say that most of these newly formulated prohormones aren't total crap but the old school superdrol, mdrol, or hdrol are all good. In fact I like mdrol more than dbol but I've always stacked my orals/prohormones w/ test to get the best bang for my buck. Anyhow, if you do decide to run a prohormone I would stack it with test and if this does not interest you then I would skip the hdrol and run mdrol instead (its much stronger).

Thanks for the reply!
I am currently around 15%. I'm going to try to cut as much fat as possible before cycle. I have about a month or so..
I managed to grab another bottle of H-Drol so I'm going to run it 50/50/75/75/100 depending on how it goes.

Yeah I was looking at the mdrol as well, but, I've been following a lot of H-Drol logs and have seen people getting great results from this stuff so it intrigued me to try.
I have a bottle of Letro on stand by just in case gyno gets out of control. I was planning on trying C-Bino's reversal method anyway at some point.

[Phased]

Op what is your current body fat %? I ask because the higher your body fat the more likely you are to have higher estrogen leading to gyno and also hdrol is a cutting prohormone much like winstrol, anavar, and tbol. I have ran hdrol in the past while on other gear (test prop) and I wouldn't bother running it unless you were 10% bf or less. At this low of a body fat you will see the hdrol working but anything higher and you'll basically be wasting your money. I don't agree w/ the others that prohormones are a waste as I've had good success w/ CEL Mdrol (superdrol clone) and CEL Hdrol...now that's not to say that most of these newly formulated prohormones aren't total crap but the old school superdrol, mdrol, or hdrol are all good. In fact I like mdrol more than dbol but I've always stacked my orals/prohormones w/ test to get the best bang for my buck. Anyhow, if you do decide to run a prohormone I would stack it with test and if this does not interest you then I would skip the hdrol and run mdrol instead (its much stronger).

Did you run Superdrol back in early 2000's, also since you had luck with them what do you think the best prohormone on the market today is?
Thanks

[M302_Imola]

Did you run Superdrol back in early 2000's, also since you had luck with them what do you think the best prohormone on the market today is?
Thanks

I never ran Superdrol as it was pulled from the shelves before I could try it, but I've ran CEL Mdrol (Superdrol clone) several times now dating back to 2005 and I'm a big fan. Now they've pulled this off of the market a few years ago but I think you can still find it (or at least I did a year or so ago).

[Atibbo]

I never ran Superdrol as it was pulled from the shelves before I could try it, but I've ran CEL Mdrol (Superdrol clone) several times now dating back to 2005 and I'm a big fan. Now they've pulled this off of the market a few years ago but I think you can still find it (or at least I did a year or so ago).

Ebay.

[Phased]

I never ran Superdrol as it was pulled from the shelves before I could try it, but I've ran CEL Mdrol (Superdrol clone) several times now dating back to 2005 and I'm a big fan. Now they've pulled this off of the market a few years ago but I think you can still find it (or at least I did a year or so ago).

Is is it comparable to dbol or var?

[M302_Imola]

Is is it comparable to dbol or var?

I liked the CEL Mdrol better than dbol...I've never tried var (to rich for my blood).

[Hydroponics]

If ur tryin to reverse the gyno definitely use the letro, worked for me and fast... As far as the prohormone goes atleast its legal haha, thats the problem, juice may b better but its also ILLEGAL

[Honkey_Kong]

If ur tryin to reverse the gyno definitely use the letro, worked for me and fast... As far as the prohormone goes atleast its legal haha, thats the problem, juice may b better but its also ILLEGAL

Just because Hdrol might be considered legal, doesn't mean it's actually worth doing.

[Hydroponics]

Well the guys 26 n he doesnt have a source of course hes gonna try the next best thing...

[Honkey_Kong]

Well the guys 26 n he doesnt have a source of course hes gonna try the next best thing...

Finding sources isn't THAT difficult.

[Atibbo]

Finding sources isn't THAT difficult.

I'm trying to get my hands on some Test E for a 10 week cycle.

250mg twice a week
arimidex .25 EOD
Maybe I could throw in an oral?

2 weeks after last pin running novla 40/40/20/20
Should I add clomid as well?

[Honkey_Kong]

I'm trying to get my hands on some Test E for a 10 week cycle.

250mg twice a week
arimidex .25 EOD
Maybe I could throw in an oral?

2 weeks after last pin running novla 40/40/20/20
Should I add clomid as well?

You don't need an oral for your first cycle. Trust me, you'll make some great gains if your diet and training are on. Remember to take a picture of yourself before, during and after the cycle so you can see the transformation.

Running Clomid as well would be a good idea. I don't run PCTs at all anymore, so I'm not the best authority. I just blast and cruise on my trt dose.

[Phased]

You don't need an oral for your first cycle. Trust me, you'll make some great gains if your diet and training are on. Remember to take a picture of yourself before, during and after the cycle so you can see the transformation.

Running Clomid as well would be a good idea. I don't run PCTs at all anymore, so I'm not the best authority. I just blast and cruise on my trt dose.

I dont agree at all with that statement, if you want to throw in an oral like tbol or dbol to kick start your cycle with a slow ester like Test E, it is totally fine. Did it myself and seen hundreds of guys do it without any issues and you get way more bang for your buck. Many guys hit weeks 4-6 with cyp or ethn and see nothing and they are already half way through the cycle with nothing to show, thats why you need a good oral to start you off to get the gains coming in. If your really against and oral for a first cycle then at the minmum front loading prop @ 500mg/w 1-4 will work as well, but I still think and oral kick start is much better. And if your running Cyp or Enth 12-14-16 weeks is preferred, not 10 weeks... especially if your not going to run a oral kickstart.

Just my opinion, research, learn, listen ask, then decide..

See you around,
Best of Luck

[Phased]

Head over to the HRT forum and post up the question, those guys know what they are doing and letro in my opinion is absolutely the wrong way and worst way to reverse Gyno. Let's talk over there with more like minded individuals.

[BBJT200]

If you can't get your hands on the real AAS, h-drol is a good prohormone. If you can get real AAS, use that--it's cheaper, less harmful on your body, and more effective.

I've done a lot of reading on h-drol as I wanted to cycle but couldn't find a real source for a long time. I never did use it, but here's what I found over and over:
50/75/75/75/75/100 will give you the best results to sides ratio. 100mg/day from what I read is typically more sides with little to no difference in gains from 75. Generally, you won't see results until week 3-4, so only running four weeks you will be cutting yourself short.

I would recommend taking care of that pre-existing gyno before you start, though. I have heard letro can clear up pre-existing gyno, could be something to look into.

Good luck!

-JT

[Atibbo]

I posted this in my other thread but just in case you guys don't see it:

Okay, I have a question.

Let's say I go ahead on my test cycle with my current gyno. Is there any possibility at all that I can get through the cycle without it getting worse with using an AI?

Because I was just talking to a friend who had gyno literally 9 years ago in high school from M1T's. He recently did a sus and test e cycle with arimidex .5mg ED.
After his PCT his gyno was completely gone. He said he ran nolva for 8 weeks.

So.. My theory is, if your old gyno becomes new gyno again can't you get rid of it easier now because it's fresh again? I dunno if this makes sense but it's something I've been thinking about and wanted to know your opinions on it.

[Phased]

I posted this in my other thread but just in case you guys don't see it:

Okay, I have a question.

Let's say I go ahead on my test cycle with my current gyno. Is there any possibility at all that I can get through the cycle without it getting worse with using an AI?

Because I was just talking to a friend who had gyno literally 9 years ago in high school from M1T's. He recently did a sus and test e cycle with arimidex .5mg ED.
After his PCT his gyno was completely gone. He said he ran nolva for 8 weeks.

So.. My theory is, if your old gyno becomes new gyno again can't you get rid of it easier now because it's fresh again? I dunno if this makes sense but it's something I've been thinking about and wanted to know your opinions on it.

I answered this in the other HRT forum