CEL H-DROL First prohormone cycle - need adivce

[Atibbo]

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[Phased]

Prohormones are worse on your body then actual steroids. The only pro hormone to ever come out that was worth it was Superdrol and that came of the market years ago. Even then if you found it I would stack it with a testosterone like cyp, prop or enthnate. The pro hormones now are just a waste of money and can cost more than actual steroids and do more damage to your body then a cycle of test.

Also if you are having Gyno now from when you were younger I would look into reversing that problem first before messing with any hormones at all. Hdrol, cycle assit and all that other stuff you mention besides the nolvadex is waste of money.

Here is all the info in a sub forum about Gyno and lots of other important info

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.UGFJ7Wt5mK0


Best of luck.

[Ashop]

Hey Guys, I plan on doing a 4 week cycle of "COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS H-DROL"
I'm 26 years old and have been lifting for about 4 years.

First, I'm going to use CEL Cycle assist for 2 weeks before my cycle and then continue using throughout my cycle.

On Cycle:

Hdrol - 50/50/50/50
Cycle Assist - 8 pills a day
CL Orange Triad - 6 pills a day
Taurine - As needed

PCT:

Nova - 20/20/10/10
Gaspari Nutrition ANATROPIN - 3 pills a day untill bottle done.

Now, I should add that I currently have a small case of gyno. When I was younger I did a test cycle without a PCT... Yes very stupid.

So if mid cycle I start to feel some nipple soreness is there something I should have on stand by should such a problem arise?

Thanks for any help!

You may be fine with the 50mg dose but most guys we did trials on with it responded far better at 75-100mg range.

[Honkey_Kong]

Hey Guys, I plan on doing a 4 week cycle of "COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS H-DROL"
I'm 26 years old and have been lifting for about 4 years.

First, I'm going to use CEL Cycle assist for 2 weeks before my cycle and then continue using throughout my cycle.

On Cycle:

Hdrol - 50/50/50/50
Cycle Assist - 8 pills a day
CL Orange Triad - 6 pills a day
Taurine - As needed

PCT:

Nova - 20/20/10/10
Gaspari Nutrition ANATROPIN - 3 pills a day untill bottle done.

Now, I should add that I currently have a small case of gyno. When I was younger I did a test cycle without a PCT... Yes very stupid.

So if mid cycle I start to feel some nipple soreness is there something I should have on stand by should such a problem arise?

Thanks for any help!

If you've run real gear before, why are you going to even bother with prohormones? And why would not having a PCT have caused the gyno? You probably meant an AI there.

[M302_Imola]

Op what is your current body fat %? I ask because the higher your body fat the more likely you are to have higher estrogen leading to gyno and also hdrol is a cutting prohormone much like winstrol, anavar, and tbol. I have ran hdrol in the past while on other gear (test prop) and I wouldn't bother running it unless you were 10% bf or less. At this low of a body fat you will see the hdrol working but anything higher and you'll basically be wasting your money. I don't agree w/ the others that prohormones are a waste as I've had good success w/ CEL Mdrol (superdrol clone) and CEL Hdrol...now that's not to say that most of these newly formulated prohormones aren't total crap but the old school superdrol, mdrol, or hdrol are all good. In fact I like mdrol more than dbol but I've always stacked my orals/prohormones w/ test to get the best bang for my buck. Anyhow, if you do decide to run a prohormone I would stack it with test and if this does not interest you then I would skip the hdrol and run mdrol instead (its much stronger).

[Atibbo]

Op what is your current body fat %? I ask because the higher your body fat the more likely you are to have higher estrogen leading to gyno and also hdrol is a cutting prohormone much like winstrol, anavar, and tbol. I have ran hdrol in the past while on other gear (test prop) and I wouldn't bother running it unless you were 10% bf or less. At this low of a body fat you will see the hdrol working but anything higher and you'll basically be wasting your money. I don't agree w/ the others that prohormones are a waste as I've had good success w/ CEL Mdrol (superdrol clone) and CEL Hdrol...now that's not to say that most of these newly formulated prohormones aren't total crap but the old school superdrol, mdrol, or hdrol are all good. In fact I like mdrol more than dbol but I've always stacked my orals/prohormones w/ test to get the best bang for my buck. Anyhow, if you do decide to run a prohormone I would stack it with test and if this does not interest you then I would skip the hdrol and run mdrol instead (its much stronger).

Thanks for the reply!
I am currently around 15%. I'm going to try to cut as much fat as possible before cycle. I have about a month or so..
I managed to grab another bottle of H-Drol so I'm going to run it 50/50/75/75/100 depending on how it goes.

Yeah I was looking at the mdrol as well, but, I've been following a lot of H-Drol logs and have seen people getting great results from this stuff so it intrigued me to try.
I have a bottle of Letro on stand by just in case gyno gets out of control. I was planning on trying C-Bino's reversal method anyway at some point.

[Atibbo]

If you've run real gear before, why are you going to even bother with prohormones? And why would not having a PCT have caused the gyno? You probably meant an AI there.

Well yeah, I didn't have a PCT cycle.. So my estrogen shot up afterwards. I didn't have any SERM or AI or natty test booster to help combat the estrogen.

[Honkey_Kong]

Well yeah, I didn't have a PCT cycle.. So my estrogen shot up afterwards. I didn't have any SERM or AI or natty test booster to help combat the estrogen.

Natty test boosters are shit so don't bother with them. Anyways, if I were you, I'd run a real test cycle rather than some prohormones.

[Atibbo]

Natty test boosters are shit so don't bother with them. Anyways, if I were you, I'd run a real test cycle rather than some prohormones.

Yeah I agree that they are absolute garbage by themselves but, they help during a PCT.

And as for the real gear, I don't have access to any.. My friend moved away and I don't trust anyone else. Lot of fake stuff around.

[Phased]

Op what is your current body fat %? I ask because the higher your body fat the more likely you are to have higher estrogen leading to gyno and also hdrol is a cutting prohormone much like winstrol, anavar, and tbol. I have ran hdrol in the past while on other gear (test prop) and I wouldn't bother running it unless you were 10% bf or less. At this low of a body fat you will see the hdrol working but anything higher and you'll basically be wasting your money. I don't agree w/ the others that prohormones are a waste as I've had good success w/ CEL Mdrol (superdrol clone) and CEL Hdrol...now that's not to say that most of these newly formulated prohormones aren't total crap but the old school superdrol, mdrol, or hdrol are all good. In fact I like mdrol more than dbol but I've always stacked my orals/prohormones w/ test to get the best bang for my buck. Anyhow, if you do decide to run a prohormone I would stack it with test and if this does not interest you then I would skip the hdrol and run mdrol instead (its much stronger).

Did you run Superdrol back in early 2000's, also since you had luck with them what do you think the best prohormone on the market today is?
Thanks

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah I agree that they are absolute garbage by themselves but, they help during a PCT.

And as for the real gear, I don't have access to any.. My friend moved away and I don't trust anyone else. Lot of fake stuff around.

Which test boosters help during PCT and through which ways do they work? Got any studies proving the active ingredients actually work? I don't mean to put you on the spot, but that shit is as useful as snake oil.

[Atibbo]

Which test boosters help during PCT and through which ways do they work? Got any studies proving the active ingredients actually work? I don't mean to put you on the spot, but that shit is as useful as snake oil.

Not from personal experience but, from what I've read on people's logs. They help get your natural cycle working again faster. I guess some are better than others.. I'll have to do more research. But for now I have the Gaspari Nutrition Anatropin.

[M302_Imola]

Did you run Superdrol back in early 2000's, also since you had luck with them what do you think the best prohormone on the market today is?
Thanks

I never ran Superdrol as it was pulled from the shelves before I could try it, but I've ran CEL Mdrol (Superdrol clone) several times now dating back to 2005 and I'm a big fan. Now they've pulled this off of the market a few years ago but I think you can still find it (or at least I did a year or so ago).

[Atibbo]

I never ran Superdrol as it was pulled from the shelves before I could try it, but I've ran CEL Mdrol (Superdrol clone) several times now dating back to 2005 and I'm a big fan. Now they've pulled this off of the market a few years ago but I think you can still find it (or at least I did a year or so ago).

Ebay.

[Phased]

I never ran Superdrol as it was pulled from the shelves before I could try it, but I've ran CEL Mdrol (Superdrol clone) several times now dating back to 2005 and I'm a big fan. Now they've pulled this off of the market a few years ago but I think you can still find it (or at least I did a year or so ago).

Is is it comparable to dbol or var?

[Honkey_Kong]

Not from personal experience but, from what I've read on people's logs. They help get your natural cycle working again faster. I guess some are better than others.. I'll have to do more research. But for now I have the Gaspari Nutrition Anatropin.

Logs are anecdotal. Look up the ingredients and then try to find a study that proves that "they help get your natural cycle working again faster." Hell try to find out if they're going to do anything favourable. Just because Tom, Dick or Harry ran it in their PCT and recovered fast doesn't mean that the booster actually worked.

[M302_Imola]

Is is it comparable to dbol or var?

I liked the CEL Mdrol better than dbol...I've never tried var (to rich for my blood).

[Honkey_Kong]

I liked the CEL Mdrol better than dbol...I've never tried var (to rich for my blood).

I've had gains with mdrol that were as good as dbol, without nearly as much bloating. Problem was the sides to it were awful. I'd rather run dbol just because I don't get the headaches or lethargy I got from mdrol. And the backpumps weren't nearly as bad. Also with dbol, I had to be careful about gyno.

[Atibbo]

I've had gains with mdrol that were as good as dbol, without nearly as much bloating. Problem was the sides to it were awful. I'd rather run dbol just because I don't get the headaches or lethargy I got from mdrol. And the backpumps weren't nearly as bad. Also with dbol, I had to be careful about gyno.

Yeah gyno is the devil.. Do you think I should run arimidex during this cycle to help prevent any gyno?

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah gyno is the devil.. Do you think I should run arimidex during this cycle to help prevent any gyno?

Honestly, I wouldn't run Hdrol. It's garbage. And no i don't think you should run arimidex to prevent gyno from it. arimidex wouldn't do much for that compound.

[Atibbo]

Honestly, I wouldn't run Hdrol. It's garbage. And no i don't think you should run arimidex to prevent gyno from it. arimidex wouldn't do much for that compound.

Okay, let's say I take your advice and use real gear. What do you suggest?

[Honkey_Kong]

Okay, let's say I take your advice and use real gear. What do you suggest?

Testosterone only. It doesn't matter which ester you use either. The shorter ones will just require more pinnings.

[M302_Imola]

I've had gains with mdrol that were as good as dbol, without nearly as much bloating. Problem was the sides to it were awful. I'd rather run dbol just because I don't get the headaches or lethargy I got from mdrol. And the backpumps weren't nearly as bad. Also with dbol, I had to be careful about gyno.

same here mdrol lead to lean gains and not as much bloat as dbol. I agree mdrol can bring on some nasty sides...the back pumps really kick in for me at the end of week 3. So instead of running it at 30mg for 4 weeks I usually only run it for 3 weeks or this last time I only ran 20mg for 4 weeks which kept the back pumps at bay.

[Honkey_Kong]

same here mdrol lead to lean gains and not as much bloat as dbol. I agree mdrol can bring on some nasty sides...the back pumps really kick in for me at the end of week 3. So instead of running it at 30mg for 4 weeks I usually only run it for 3 weeks or this last time I only ran 20mg for 4 weeks which kept the back pumps at bay.

Taurine helps a little with the back pumps. The way I mostly dealt with the backpumps when I worked out was I'd purposely bend my back to get the pumps to flare up and then after like 20 or 30 seconds of pain, it'd dull down enough to get the set in.

[Hydroponics]

If ur tryin to reverse the gyno definitely use the letro, worked for me and fast... As far as the prohormone goes atleast its legal haha, thats the problem, juice may b better but its also ILLEGAL

[Honkey_Kong]

If ur tryin to reverse the gyno definitely use the letro, worked for me and fast... As far as the prohormone goes atleast its legal haha, thats the problem, juice may b better but its also ILLEGAL

Just because Hdrol might be considered legal, doesn't mean it's actually worth doing.

[Hydroponics]

Well the guys 26 n he doesnt have a source of course hes gonna try the next best thing...

[Honkey_Kong]

Well the guys 26 n he doesnt have a source of course hes gonna try the next best thing...

Finding sources isn't THAT difficult.

[Atibbo]

Finding sources isn't THAT difficult.

I'm trying to get my hands on some Test E for a 10 week cycle.

250mg twice a week
arimidex .25 EOD
Maybe I could throw in an oral?

2 weeks after last pin running novla 40/40/20/20
Should I add clomid as well?

[Honkey_Kong]

I'm trying to get my hands on some Test E for a 10 week cycle.

250mg twice a week
arimidex .25 EOD
Maybe I could throw in an oral?

2 weeks after last pin running novla 40/40/20/20
Should I add clomid as well?

You don't need an oral for your first cycle. Trust me, you'll make some great gains if your diet and training are on. Remember to take a picture of yourself before, during and after the cycle so you can see the transformation.

Running Clomid as well would be a good idea. I don't run PCTs at all anymore, so I'm not the best authority. I just blast and cruise on my trt dose.

[Phased]

You don't need an oral for your first cycle. Trust me, you'll make some great gains if your diet and training are on. Remember to take a picture of yourself before, during and after the cycle so you can see the transformation.

Running Clomid as well would be a good idea. I don't run PCTs at all anymore, so I'm not the best authority. I just blast and cruise on my trt dose.

I dont agree at all with that statement, if you want to throw in an oral like tbol or dbol to kick start your cycle with a slow ester like Test E, it is totally fine. Did it myself and seen hundreds of guys do it without any issues and you get way more bang for your buck. Many guys hit weeks 4-6 with cyp or ethn and see nothing and they are already half way through the cycle with nothing to show, thats why you need a good oral to start you off to get the gains coming in. If your really against and oral for a first cycle then at the minmum front loading prop @ 500mg/w 1-4 will work as well, but I still think and oral kick start is much better. And if your running Cyp or Enth 12-14-16 weeks is preferred, not 10 weeks... especially if your not going to run a oral kickstart.

Just my opinion, research, learn, listen ask, then decide..

See you around,
Best of Luck

[Honkey_Kong]

I dont agree at all with that statement, if you want to throw in an oral like tbol or dbol to kick start your cycle with a slow ester like Test E, it is totally fine. Did it myself and seen hundreds of guys do it without any issues and you get way more bang for your buck. Many guys hit weeks 4-6 with cyp or ethn and see nothing and they are already half way through the cycle with nothing to show, thats why you need a good oral to start you off to get the gains coming in. If your really against and oral for a first cycle then at the minmum front loading prop @ 500mg/w 1-4 will work as well, but I still think and oral kick start is much better. And if your running Cyp or Enth 12-14-16 weeks is preferred, not 10 weeks... especially if your not going to run a oral kickstart.

Just my opinion, research, learn, listen ask, then decide..

See you around,
Best of Luck

I'll agree with you on the 10 weeks being too short for a long ester. But for a first time cycle you'd kickstart it with an oral?

[M302_Imola]

Taurine helps a little with the back pumps. The way I mostly dealt with the backpumps when I worked out was I'd purposely bend my back to get the pumps to flare up and then after like 20 or 30 seconds of pain, it'd dull down enough to get the set in.

Yeah I always use taurine when on any oral or prohormone but the taurine was no match for the mdrol. Yeah back pumps really suck during squats, had to take at least 2 mins in between sets!

[Atibbo]

I dont agree at all with that statement, if you want to throw in an oral like tbol or dbol to kick start your cycle with a slow ester like Test E, it is totally fine. Did it myself and seen hundreds of guys do it without any issues and you get way more bang for your buck. Many guys hit weeks 4-6 with cyp or ethn and see nothing and they are already half way through the cycle with nothing to show, thats why you need a good oral to start you off to get the gains coming in. If your really against and oral for a first cycle then at the minmum front loading prop @ 500mg/w 1-4 will work as well, but I still think and oral kick start is much better. And if your running Cyp or Enth 12-14-16 weeks is preferred, not 10 weeks... especially if your not going to run a oral kickstart.

Just my opinion, research, learn, listen ask, then decide..

See you around,
Best of Luck

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

The reason for 10 weeks and not 12 is because 2 bottles will last exactaly 10 weeks. I don't wanna spend the money on a third when I'll only use 2ml of it. =/

[Phased]

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

The reason for 10 weeks and not 12 is because 2 bottles will last exactaly 10 weeks. I don't wanna spend the money on a third when I'll only use 2ml of it. =/

Never start a cycle unless you have all the gear nessasary to complete based of the gear you chose. If you only have 10 weeks of cyp or ethn then your not ready for that cycle, save money and buy more gear until you have what's required of the gear you intend to use. Also you lose hear with drawing, getting air out and accidents ie..mess ups, and things like that so really 3 bottles might be exactly what you need, even though you think it's too much.

[Phased]

I'll agree with you on the 10 weeks being too short for a long ester. But for a first time cycle you'd kickstart it with an oral?

Yes why not a kick start with an oral, you want your first cycle to be one of your best, adding an oral kick is not going to harm him in anyway. Tbol or Dbol are relatively safe and if you go look in the education forum there is a thread about beginners cycles and most of them include an oral for a first cycle. I did not write the thread but I agree with it 100% and as I said if you think just test for a first cycle then front load with test prop. However I still do not think its as effective as an oral kick. There is little strength gains that come from straight test, but huge strength gains with tbol or dbol. What not a better way to get you gains coming early and with strength then using one of those.

See you around

[Phased]

Prohormones are worse on your body then actual steroids. The only pro hormone to ever come out that was worth it was Superdrol and that came of the market years ago. Even then if you found it I would stack it with a testosterone like cyp, prop or enthnate. The pro hormones now are just a waste of money and can cost more than actual steroids and do more damage to your body then a cycle of test.

Also if you are having Gyno now from when you were younger I would look into reversing that problem first before messing with any hormones at all. Hdrol, cycle assit and all that other stuff you mention besides the nolvadex is waste of money.

Here is all the info in a sub forum about Gyno and lots of other important info

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.UGFJ7Wt5mK0


Best of luck.

Back to my origional point, if you have Gyno right now, let's reverse that before you start anything.

[Atibbo]

Back to my origional point, if you have Gyno right now, let's reverse that before you start anything.

Should I do it the letro way? That's seems sketchy as hell. My GF will remove my balls if I can't get it up for her. :O

I had a lump under my left nipple and it was puffy, but when I got really cut up last summer the puffiness went away but its still there and kind of long instead of a lump.. it's weird.

My right nipple at the moment has a lump and is a little puffy.

[Phased]

Head over to the HRT forum and post up the question, those guys know what they are doing and letro in my opinion is absolutely the wrong way and worst way to reverse Gyno. Let's talk over there with more like minded individuals.

[BBJT200]

If you can't get your hands on the real AAS, h-drol is a good prohormone. If you can get real AAS, use that--it's cheaper, less harmful on your body, and more effective.

I've done a lot of reading on h-drol as I wanted to cycle but couldn't find a real source for a long time. I never did use it, but here's what I found over and over:
50/75/75/75/75/100 will give you the best results to sides ratio. 100mg/day from what I read is typically more sides with little to no difference in gains from 75. Generally, you won't see results until week 3-4, so only running four weeks you will be cutting yourself short.

I would recommend taking care of that pre-existing gyno before you start, though. I have heard letro can clear up pre-existing gyno, could be something to look into.

Good luck!

-JT