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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer
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    CLA is amongst the useless supplements. CLA is abundant in many foods such as beef and dairy, hence is not needed to be supplemented exogenously.

    Injectable L. Carnitine actually works very well. Unlike what most of the people would like to think, it is also useless when taken without some carbs, as research show that L. Carnitine is incapable of entering the cell without the presence of CHO in human body.
    My bad man I'm 6'1 but thanks for the feedback!! Saved me money, is there any good thermogenic?? I got a little fat in my lower stomach been baring ass in the gym some of its loose skin but can feel the fat..I have stretch marks a little on lower I know they won't tighten up.. Bf is 12% want to get down to atleast 9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefy_bod View Post
    My bad man I'm 6'1 but thanks for the feedback!! Saved me money, is there any good thermogenic?? I got a little fat in my lower stomach been baring ass in the gym some of its loose skin but can feel the fat..I have stretch marks a little on lower I know they won't tighten up.. Bf is 12% want to get down to atleast 9%
    Purchase 200mg Caffeine pills. They are great when taken 15-20mins prior to workout. See how you respond to a 200mg serving at first. If you feel the necessity, take 400mg. Take them on workout days only so that your receptors maintain their sensitivity for caffeine.

    Avoid all simple sugars and do cardio more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

    Purchase 200mg Caffeine pills. They are great when taken 15-20mins prior to workout. See how you respond to a 200mg serving at first. If you feel the necessity, take 400mg. Take them on workout days only so that your receptors maintain their sensitivity for caffeine.

    Avoid all simple sugars and do cardio more often.
    Ok thanks man big help, I do cardio after I lift everyday.. My workout schedule is monday-Saturday...and cardio is after, also I drink coffee every morning lol also does the caffeine just help burn more calories? Like heat me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefy_bod View Post
    Ok thanks man big help, I do cardio after I lift everyday.. My workout schedule is monday-Saturday...and cardio is after, also I drink coffee every morning lol also does the caffeine just help burn more calories? Like heat me up!
    Yes, there is scientifically proven direct correlation between caffeine supplementation and burning of fat.

    You should purchase the pills, the coffee you drink isn't pure caffeine (there are also typical absorption and digestion issues involved since it has to go through the GI tract) and will never have the effect of a pure 200mg caffeine that comes in the supplement form.

    Caffeine also increases your mental focus during your workouts. It provides you with the edge you are often in need of for that last set and/or rep, besides helping your metabolism to burn more calories from stored fat. Moreover, it has recovery aid properties. One human study shows that it helps with PWO recovery better than carbs do, which I will be posting here as soon as I have access to it.

    On a last note, caffeine pills are most likely the cheapest supplement available to a lifter. If they don't work for you, you have lost 7-8$, too bad.

    What does your cardio look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

    Yes, there is scientifically proven direct correlation between caffeine supplementation and burning of fat.

    You should purchase the pills, the coffee you drink isn't pure caffeine (there are also typical absorption and digestion issues involved since it has to go through the GI tract) and will never have the effect of a pure 200mg caffeine that comes in the supplement form.

    Caffeine also increases your mental focus during your workouts. It provides you with the edge you are often in need of for that last set and/or rep, besides helping your metabolism to burn more calories from stored fat. Moreover, it has recovery aid properties. One human study shows that it helps with PWO recovery better than carbs do, which I will be posting here as soon as I have access to it.

    On a last note, caffeine pills are most likely the cheapest supplement available to a lifter. If they don't work for you, you have lost 7-8$, too bad.

    What does your cardio look like?
    Want it to be clear that I'm not trying to argue with you, hoping you had some insight on this actually, isn't caffeine a vasoconstrictor and arginine a vasodilator? I know he didn't say anything about arginine, but I know a lot of ppl take preworkout which is mainly arginine. Would they b counter productive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron3219 View Post
    Want it to be clear that I'm not trying to argue with you, hoping you had some insight on this actually, isn't caffeine a vasoconstrictor and arginine a vasodilator? I know he didn't say anything about arginine, but I know a lot of ppl take preworkout which is mainly arginine. Would they b counter productive?

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    TroN,

    I feel completely fine over the idea of being argued against. After all, this is a forum and I believe the sole purpose beneath its foundation was to allow members to interact in an environment where intellectual debate is a big part of.

    I suggested Caffeine simply because it helps with a series of processes that are obviously vital for a lifter, if not vital for other sports also. It helps with focus, delays physical and mental exhaustion, helps burn more fat during and after training, studies show that it is a great aiding agent for post-workout recovery also. These angles all refer to the edge us lifters look forward to while training, which is also a big reason why we juice.

    As for your question, after having interacted with Cialis as I have experienced to be the most effective and wonderful vasodilator on this planet, I really stopped caring about what Arginine and/or Caffeine may be in that regard. I can post studies showing that Arginine is a vasodilator and then there are studies showing that it doesn't do jack. Keep in mind some of these studies are funded by producers of Arginine and some are not. Same goes for many other AA such as L. Carnitine. Majority of producers have been producing 0 carb L. Carnitine supplements that come in different forms (fluid, tabs, capsules etc.) yet both industry-funded and non-industry funded studies ironically show us that L. Carnitine is an AA that doesn't live up to its promise unless some CHO is present in the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

    TroN,

    I feel completely fine over the idea of being argued against. After all, this is a forum and I believe the sole purpose beneath its foundation was to allow members to interact in an environment where intellectual debate is a big part of.

    I suggested Caffeine simply because it helps with a series of processes that are obviously vital for a lifter, if not vital for other sports also. It helps with focus, delays physical and mental exhaustion, helps burn more fat during and after training, studies show that it is a great aiding agent for post-workout recovery also. These angles all refer to the edge us lifters look forward to while training, which is also a big reason why we juice.

    As for your question, after having interacted with Cialis as I have experienced to be the most effective and wonderful vasodilator on this planet, I really stopped caring about what Arginine and/or Caffeine may be in that regard. I can post studies showing that Arginine is a vasodilator and then there are studies showing that it doesn't do jack. Keep in mind some of these studies are funded by producers of Arginine and some are not. Same goes for many other AA such as L. Carnitine. Majority of producers have been producing 0 carb L. Carnitine supplements that come in different forms (fluid, tabs, capsules etc.) yet both industry-funded and non-industry funded studies ironically show us that L. Carnitine is an AA that doesn't live up to its promise unless some CHO is present in the body.
    I agree with all the benefits tat caffeine give a lifter, there no doubt about that. Arginine, in my books works, when I take the ethyl ester form I become more vascular during my workout then when I don't. The reason the question arose was the other day I took one of my wife's preworkout drinks an has ethyl arginine and caffeine and I had a good focused workout, but little vascularity and pump. But when I take just ethyl arginine my pump is outrageous. Just something I noticed.

    I have yet to try cialis...I walk around with a chub 90% of the day lol scared of the effects of cialis lol

    -TroN-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron3219 View Post
    Want it to be clear that I'm not trying to argue with you, hoping you had some insight on this actually, isn't caffeine a vasoconstrictor and arginine a vasodilator? I know he didn't say anything about arginine, but I know a lot of ppl take preworkout which is mainly arginine. Would they b counter productive?

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    Under the duress of exercise caffeine acts as a vaso-dilator due to calcium channel transfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

    Yes, there is scientifically proven direct correlation between caffeine supplementation and burning of fat.

    You should purchase the pills, the coffee you drink isn't pure caffeine (there are also typical absorption and digestion issues involved since it has to go through the GI tract) and will never have the effect of a pure 200mg caffeine that comes in the supplement form.

    Caffeine also increases your mental focus during your workouts. It provides you with the edge you are often in need of for that last set and/or rep, besides helping your metabolism to burn more calories from stored fat. Moreover, it has recovery aid properties. One human study shows that it helps with PWO recovery better than carbs do, which I will be posting here as soon as I have access to it.

    On a last note, caffeine pills are most likely the cheapest supplement available to a lifter. If they don't work for you, you have lost 7-8$, too bad.

    What does your cardio look like?
    Thanks will do, can I purchase them at gnc right?? And
    Monday -is chest and tris, abs then 30 min cardio or basketball
    Tuesday -biceps, lats, neck, basketball or cardio
    Wednesday's-shoulders, legs, abs, cardio or basketball
    Thursday's-Monday routine
    Friday-Tuesday routine
    Saturday-Wednesday routine
    Sunday-off and possibly
    Pretty simple routine it's helped me a bunch just started shoulders, did them today and sore as hell, but love workingout... Just want to tone up lower stomach, I use to be fat and have some loose skin.. Check out member section and look at my pics!!

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