The Official Graveyard Thread

[panntastic]

See, Im a bit of an Eddie Hall fan!

Big strong guy mate
Poundstone and mariusz both big and lean

[gearbox]

If I remember right I dont think.bear has competed on the big stage yet. Gotta do the small comps then win those to even qualify for the big ones

[panntastic]

If I remember right I dont think.bear has competed on the big stage yet. Gotta do the small comps then win those to even qualify for the big ones

I remember him saying that to something like regionals then national qualifiers.
Something along them lines I'm not sure how the process actually works

[Capebuffalo]

I was always partial to Magnus VanMagnuson.

[panntastic]

I was always partial to Magnus VanMagnuson.

A real legend right there

[Back In Black]

This was your man



Jon Pall Sigmarsson, competed against (and beat) Capes and Kazmair.

Died of a heart attack deadlifting!

[panntastic]

This was your man

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Jon Pall Sigmarsson, competed against (and beat) Capes and Kazmair.

Died of a heart attack deadlifting!

No mention of Glenn Ross?

[krugerr]

No mention of Glenn Ross?

That huge fat smelly man? No, good lifter, but god he stinks. Met him a few years ago.

[Back In Black]

No mention of Glenn Ross?

Fvck me, that's who some fella reminded me of last year on Supersize v Superskinny. I couldn't work out who he reminded me of until now. I'm doing Glen Ross a massive insult with that though....,

[panntastic]

That huge fat smelly man? No, good lifter, but god he stinks. Met him a few years ago.

Sweaty smelly or general gypo smelly
He strikes me as the person who would walk I a room smelling of rolling tobbaco and deep fat fryer lol

[Hazard]

I've seen BGs contest prep pics, I've seen him on stage in person..... He is by no means small. To attack anyone's height is pretty low. I mean..... Out of everything someone can choose to attack someone for..... Dont pick something they can't help.

The fact is..... He's put himself onstage before a crowd and infront of judges. Not only that...... But he did well! The man is a bodybuilder......

People may not like his character or like the way he talks..... You may not like his attitude or even his face...... But atleast respect the dedication that's put in to achieve a physique like that. It's just class...... Show some..... That's all.

[krugerr]

Sweaty smelly or general gypo smelly
He strikes me as the person who would walk I a room smelling of rolling tobbaco and deep fat fryer lol

Just a permanent ingrained sweaty greasy smell. He's been at the Expo before, wasn't that interested in meeting people.

[Lunk1]

I've seen BGs contest prep pics, I've seen him on stage in person..... He is by no means small. To attack anyone's height is pretty low. I mean..... Out of everything someone can choose to attack someone for..... Dont pick something they can't help.

The fact is..... He's put himself onstage before a crowd and infront of judges. Not only that...... But he did well! The man is a bodybuilder......

People may not like his character or like the way he talks..... You may not like his attitude or even his face...... But atleast respect the dedication that's put in to achieve a physique like that. It's just class...... Show some..... That's all.

Thanks..now I almost feel bad about teasing Gixx about being short....ALMOST
I have adopted this same belief about penis size Haz...thanks for sticking up for us "little" guys LOL

[gbrice75]

Not technically 'Strongmen' or PLer's (that I know of), but anybody who was a wrestling fan from the 80's remembers these 2 beasts: The Powers Of Pain, Warlord and Barbarian. The Warlord (right) in particular is a monster!

[BG]

TheBear, their VET getting schooled by a regular member, some staff huh?

60 grams of whey protein & 2 whole oranges...(for an insulin spike)

I have been under the understanding that fructose is not ideal for post-workout sugars/carbs because the majority of it is stored as liver glycogen as opposed to muscle glycogen (which is what we all ideally want after a workout). I used to eat bananas and other fruits with my post-workout shake until I came across information that suggested fructose isn't ideal for post-workout. Glucose, sucrose (table sugar) or any corn-derived carbohydrate is ideal for glycogen storage in the muscle rather than the liver.

Of course, for an insulin spike, fructose will do! It is just less likely to replenish glycogen storage in muscle tissue compared to glycogen storage in the liver.

2 scoops of whey and half cup oats. I think the PWO insulin spike is BS!

What info do you have that supports your "BS" theory?

Small exert from Alan Aragon's research...

To put another nail in the coffin of the insulin spiking objective, post-exercise glycogen resynthesis is biphasic.25 Unlike the subsequent “slow” phase which can last several hours, the initial “rapid” phase of glycogenesis lasting 30-60 minutes immediately post-exercise is not dependent upon insulin. Maximizing post-workout hyperinsulinemia may be beneficial for athletes with more than a single exhaustive endurance-containing training bout separated by less than approximately 8 hours, but in all other cases, the benefit in “spiking” insulin is nil.

Is this a medical / scientific study or just Aragon's opinion?

If its a study.......do you have a link?

Bear...below is the entire portion of the review...there is plenty of information available debunking the need for PWO insulin spikes. Feel free to give google a ride and read a few.


Is It Necessary to “Spike” Insulin Post-workout?

Another concern of the fat-free-post-workout camp is the blunting of the insulin response. The rationale of maximizing the insulin response is to counteract the catabolic nature of the post-trained state, switching the hormonal milieu into an anabolic one, thus speeding recovery. Although this might benefit those who train fasted or semi-fasted, many don’t realize that a pre-exercise meal (and in some cases the mid-exercise meal) is doing more than enough spiking of insulin levels for anticatabolic purposes.

It’s an important objective to not only maximize muscle protein synthesis, but also minimize protein breakdown. However, the latter doesn’t require a massive insulin spike, but rather just a touch beyond basal/resting levels. To illustrate this, Rennie & colleagues found that even during a sustained high blood level of amino acids, no further inhibition of muscle protein breakdown occurred beyond insulin elevation to approximately 15 μU/l,20 which is slightly above normal basal levels of 5-10 μU/l.

To reiterate, the pre-exercise meal can have profound effects on insulin levels that surpass the length of the training bout. Tipton’s team found that as little as 6g essential amino acids + 35g sucrose taken immediately before exercise (45-50 minutes of resistance training) was enough to keep insulin elevated to roughly 4x above fasting levels 1-hour post-exercise.21 It took 2 hours post-exercise for insulin to return to resting levels. A similar insulin response was seen with 20g whey by itself taken immediately preworkout.22 If carbs were added to the pre-training protein, there would be yet a greater insulin response.

As far as solid food goes, Capaldo’s team examined various metabolic effects during a five hour period after ingesting a meal composed of 75g carb (47%), 37g prot (26%), and 17g fat (27%).23 Although this study didn’t examine training effects, this meal would make a nice post-workout meal due to its absolute (and proportional) amounts of protein and carbohydrate. The fat-fearing camp would warn against the meal’s fat content interfering with the insulin response. However, this meal was able to raise insulin 3 times above fasting levels within 30 minutes of consumption. At the 60 minute mark, insulin was 5 times greater than fasting. At the 300 minute mark, insulin levels were still double the fasting level.

Elliot and colleagues compared the effect of fat-free milk, whole milk, and a higher dose of fat-free milk (to match the calories of the whole milk) taken 60 minutes post-resistance exercise.24 Whole milk was superior for increasing net protein balance. Interestingly, the calorie-matched dose of fat free milk containing 14.5g protein, versus 8.0g in the whole milk (an 81% advantage), but still got beaten. The investigators speculated over the possible mechanisms behind the outcome (insulin response, blood flow, subject response differences, fat content improving nitrogen retention), but end up dismissing each one in favor of concluding that further research is necessary to see if extra fat calories ingested with an amino acid source will increase muscle protein synthesis. Lingering questions notwithstanding, post-workout milkfat was the factor that clinched the victory – at least in overnight-fasted subjects.

To put another nail in the coffin of the insulin spiking objective, post-exercise glycogen resynthesis is biphasic.25 Unlike the subsequent “slow” phase which can last several hours, the initial “rapid” phase of glycogenesis lasting 30-60 minutes immediately post-exercise is not dependent upon insulin. Maximizing post-workout hyperinsulinemia may be beneficial for athletes with more than a single exhaustive endurance-containing training bout separated by less than approximately 8 hours, but in all other cases, the benefit in “spiking” insulin is nil.

In line with this theme, interesting research has surfaced in recent years challenging the idea that highly glycemic (and thus insulinemic) carbohydrates taken post-workout are the optimal for recovery. Erith’s team found no difference between post-exercise high- and low-glycemic index (GI) carbohydrate intake on exercise performance the following day.26 In a similar study, Stevenson’s team actually saw better next-day performance in subjects who consumed low-GI post-exercise carbohydrate than those who consumed high-GI post-exercise carbohydrate.27

Is spiking insulin necessary post-workout? Generally not.

-No greater inhibition of muscle protein breakdown has been seen beyond insulin elevation to approximately 15 μU/l, which is slightly above resting/basal levels of 5-10 μU/l.

-In one study, whole milk was superior for increasing net protein balance post-workout, despite the calorie-matched dose of fat free milk containing 81% more protein.

-The initial 30-60 minute “rapid” phase of glycogenesis immediately post-exercise is not dependent upon insulin.

-There’s no need to attempt to spike insulin for recovery purposes since maximal effects are seen at minimal elevations. Simply getting enough total substrate surrounding the training bout suffices, at least within the context of a 24-hour separation between exhaustive training of the same muscles. Multiple depleting endurance-type bouts per day (i.e., < 8 hours between bouts) may be the exception to this rule.

-On a related tangent, it’s been commonly recommended to maximize post-exercise hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia by consuming high-GI carbohydrates. However, this strategy has been seen to offer no benefit on next-day performance, and one recent study even saw endurance impairment.

Thank you Link........

Still not convinced........but I'll dig deeper.......

[Lunk1]

TheBear, their VET getting schooled by a regular member, some staff huh?

That Link is a smart ass but I like him

[BG]

I love Bears response...."Im still not convinced"

[AD]

That Link is a smart ass but I like him

Is that you in disguise? Link = Lunk?

[Lunk1]

Is that you in disguise? Link = Lunk?

Did Superman ever admitt he was Clark Kent?
Did Siderman ever admitt he was Peter Parker?

[jasc]

Is that you in disguise? Link = Lunk?

rofl

he really fooled us with that one

that's hilarious Lunk.. (nice job btw)

wonder how many others are on there with 1-letter-off names

haha

[Lunk1]

rofl

he really fooled us with that one

that's hilarious Lunk.. (nice job btw)

wonder how many others are on there with 1-letter-off names

haha

I thought I was in cognito lmao!

[jasc]

still laughing

[jasc]

I thought I was in cognito lmao!

that's awesome.. thanks for the good laugh bud.. I don't know why, but that was the funniest thing I've read in a long time

[Zodiac82]

Not technically 'Strongmen' or PLer's (that I know of), but anybody who was a wrestling fan from the 80's remembers these 2 beasts: The Powers Of Pain, Warlord and Barbarian. The Warlord (right) in particular is a monster!

lolol Holt shvt....that just brought back memoriers

-Release the Kracken!!!-

[Zodiac82]

jeeeez a lot has transpired in the last 24 hrs

-Release the Kracken!!!-

[kronik420]

Did Superman ever admit he was Clark Kent?
Did Spiderman ever admit he was Peter Parker?

he did... to Marry Jane

[austinite]

TheBear, their VET getting schooled by a regular member, some staff huh?

lmfao. way to go, link.

[Lunk1]

he did... to Marry Jane

You would know that lol

[AD]

he did... to Marry Jane

and her father, according to the recent movie.

[gearbox]

I've seen BGs contest prep pics, I've seen him on stage in person..... He is by no means small. To attack anyone's height is pretty low. I mean..... Out of everything someone can choose to attack someone for..... Dont pick something they can't help.

The fact is..... He's put himself onstage before a crowd and infront of judges. Not only that...... But he did well! The man is a bodybuilder......

People may not like his character or like the way he talks..... You may not like his attitude or even his face...... But atleast respect the dedication that's put in to achieve a physique like that. It's just class...... Show some..... That's all.

Thats an awesome post haz.

[Sgt. Hartman]

And then he was gone.....http://forums.steroid.com/members/th...79-167366.html

[Lunk1]

And then he was gone.....http://forums.steroid.com/members/th...79-167366.html

Dammit...that was far to non dramatic!

[FONZY007]

Damn I liked bear.... Even though everyone been bashing each other... Seems we lost a lot of
People lately

[AD]

Another one bites the dust

[Lunk1]

Damn I liked bear.... Even though everyone been bashing each other... Seems we lost a lot of
People lately

If you knew the truth you wouldnt shed a tear!

[Back In Black]

This means he won't be able to post any of his 'real' pics. It's quite handy how some of these members get themselves banned just before they are due to post pics of their self claimed amazing physiques don't you think?

[austinite]

I'm a little confused. Who is the bear??

[AD]

This means he won't be able to post any of his 'real' pics. It's quite handy how some of these members get themselves banned just before they are due to post pics of their self claimed amazing physiques don't you think?

He said so. It must be true. Dont you trust him?

[marcus300]

I'm a little confused. Who is the bear??

I've got pictures if you wanna see the bear lol

[Back In Black]

He said so. It must be true. Dont you trust him?

I believe what I see. And I believe what I've seen!