Need advice on 1st time cycle

[MickeyKnox]

brobeans,

Im the author of that cycle and there are a few comments i would like to make.

First of all, 150mgEOD = 525mg/wk which a common beginners amount (500mg/wk) that is universally accepted. HOWEVER, 100mg EOD = 350mg/wk and is perfectly fine too, and i have no objection with that. Just wanted you to be clear on what you're doing.

Also, hCG is used to prevent Testicular Atrophy, along with other benefits like the brain, and including it form the beginning on a short cycle is recommended. I am of the opinion that prevention is far more important and effective than treatment.

IOW's, if you have the opportunity to prevent a cold rather than treating it after you've been infected, wouldn't you agree that the safest and healthiest choice would be to prevent it from occurring in the first place?

And finally, the copy and paste of this cycle has the old Aromasin protocol. The new protocol is 12.5mg/day MIN. In fact, please read this article below on Aromasin and pay particular attention to JimmyInk'dUp's link at the end. He has written an interesting argument for dosing Aromasin 25mg/day.

Good luck.

[brobeans443]

brobeans,

Im the author of that cycle and there are a few comments i would like to make.

First of all, 150mgEOD = 525mg/wk which a common beginners amount (500mg/wk) that is universally accepted. HOWEVER, 100mg EOD = 350mg/wk and is perfectly fine too, and i have no objection with that. Just wanted you to be clear on what you're doing.

Also, hCG is used to prevent Testicular Atrophy, along with other benefits like the brain, and including it form the beginning on a short cycle is recommended. I am of the opinion that prevention is far more important and effective than treatment.

IOW's, if you have the opportunity to prevent a cold rather than treating it after you've been infected, wouldn't you agree that the safest and healthiest choice would be to prevent it from occurring in the first place?

And finally, the copy and paste of this cycle has the old Aromasin protocol. The new protocol is 12.5mg/day MIN. In fact, please read this article below on Aromasin and pay particular attention to JimmyInk'dUp's link at the end. He has written an interesting argument for dosing Aromasin 25mg/day.

Good luck.

awesome post man! Yeah I thought your recommended cycle looked good, was just unsure about a few things. So everything included in the cycle should prevent the negative side effects, but if not then stop the cycle immediately, correct?

And I need to know about clen! I want to take this as part of my PCT to combat cortisol, how can I tie it in with the PCT and its dosage?? I've read a lot on it just haven't been able to find these answers.

Thanks a million

[brobeans443]

Ok, taken directly from a PCT thread:

Using Nolva while using HCG helps stop HCG from de-sensitizing your testicles to natural LH. In my opinion, any decent cycle/PCT should include HCG. It has been suggested to me that HCG can be used throughout a cycle at 500iu E4D, but im unsure of this from practical experience. The most favorable way is to use it in the last couple weeks of your cycle at a higher dose, like 500iu ED. The trick is to end the use of HCG just as the last AAS is running out of your system. So, 3 weeks before the the last ester leaves your blood, you would start the HCG/nolva combo. HCG at about 500iu ED and Nolva 20mg ED. This is done before Nolva/aromasin (for example) PCT starts, and runs about a few weeks longer than the end of the HCG. Always include Nolva with your HCG, they work together well. Be careful not to overdose on HCG and permanently desenstize your testicles to LH. HCG has an active life of about 3 days.


So run it throughout the cycle from day 1 or wait until the last 3 weeks as recommended in the above excerpt? I want to lookout for my boys best as possible!

EDIT: haha you're good, I'll take a look at them now. I really appreciate the help man, lots of good info you're letting me in on.

[MickeyKnox]

Ok, taken directly from a PCT thread:

Using Nolva while using HCG helps stop HCG from de-sensitizing your testicles to natural LH. In my opinion, any decent cycle/PCT should include HCG. It has been suggested to me that HCG can be used throughout a cycle at 500iu E4D, but im unsure of this from practical experience. The most favorable way is to use it in the last couple weeks of your cycle at a higher dose, like 500iu ED. The trick is to end the use of HCG just as the last AAS is running out of your system. So, 3 weeks before the the last ester leaves your blood, you would start the HCG/nolva combo. HCG at about 500iu ED and Nolva 20mg ED. This is done before Nolva/aromasin (for example) PCT starts, and runs about a few weeks longer than the end of the HCG. Always include Nolva with your HCG, they work together well. Be careful not to overdose on HCG and permanently desenstize your testicles to LH. HCG has an active life of about 3 days.


So run it throughout the cycle from day 1 or wait until the last 3 weeks as recommended in the above excerpt? I want to lookout for my boys best as possible!

EDIT: haha you're good, I'll take a look at them now. I really appreciate the help man, lots of good info you're letting me in on.

Some of the information on this site is outdated and not up to par with today protocols and clinical data. This site has been around for over 10 years (12 i believe) and there are threads and stickies that require purging. It's being addressed as far as i know. But in the future, if you find something that doesn't jive don't hesitate to get clarification on it. That's what we are here for.

[brobeans443]

Some of the information on this site is outdated and not up to par with today protocols and clinical data. This site has been around for over 10 years (12 i believe) and there are threads and stickies that require purging. It's being addressed as far as i know. But in the future, if you find something that doesn't jive don't hesitate to get clarification on it. That's what we are here for.

Glad you're here ! So just out of curiousity, will natural gains be harder to make after the cycle or will natural gains stay the same? I heard after a cycle it's harder to progress naturally than before, but I'm not sure if this is true or not. I believe I'm at the point of my genetic potential, but I was just curious of what I should expect after the first cycle. Thanks again man! Wish there was a way to rep/commend you.

[Flier]

brobeans,

Im the author of that cycle and there are a few comments i would like to make.

First of all, 150mgEOD = 525mg/wk which a common beginners amount (500mg/wk) that is universally accepted. HOWEVER, 100mg EOD = 350mg/wk and is perfectly fine too, and i have no objection with that. Just wanted you to be clear on what you're doing.

Also, hCG is used to prevent Testicular Atrophy, along with other benefits like the brain, and including it form the beginning on a short cycle is recommended. I am of the opinion that prevention is far more important and effective than treatment.

IOW's, if you have the opportunity to prevent a cold rather than treating it after you've been infected, wouldn't you agree that the safest and healthiest choice would be to prevent it from occurring in the first place?

And finally, the copy and paste of this cycle has the old Aromasin protocol. The new protocol is 12.5mg/day MIN. In fact, please read this article below on Aromasin and pay particular attention to JimmyInk'dUp's link at the end. He has written an interesting argument for dosing Aromasin 25mg/day.

Good luck.

Mickey, I am pretty sure 525mg/week Prop is equivalent to 700mg Cyp.
350mg Prop is equivalent to 500mg Cyp.
Therefore 100mg EOD is used for the standard cycle, just as 500mg Cyp and Ent are.
This due to the higher concentration of Test in Prop.
80mg Prop EOD is currently giving me off the scale levels. Less is better.