Duration of first cycle.

[DexterMorgan]

Actually 6-8 week short cycles with long esters are very effective. Most ppl experience the best gains during that first 6-8 weeks of a 12 weeks cycle and then most ppl's gains start to diminish. The short cycle allows you to take the cream off the top and get off quicker allowing for a better chance of recovery and possibly running more cycles per year with less risk to your HPTA

The reason why their gains start diminishing on a 12 week cycle is because they fail to continuously increase their calories. I think 6 weeks for Test-e is way too short.

[Lunk1]

The reason why their gains start diminishing on a 12 week cycle is because they fail to continuously increase their calories. I think 6 weeks for Test-e is way too short.

So are you saying on a 36 month cycle the growth provided by AAS use will continue to get better as long as cals keep increasing over the 3 year period?

Obviously I'm being facetious on purpose to explain that there is a diminishing level of effectiveness with steroid cycles. Most will agree that tends to happen around week 8 or so...give or take. This has nothing to do with calories consumed.

[DexterMorgan]

So are you saying on a 36 month cycle the growth provided by AAS use will continue to get better as long as cals keep increasing over the 3 year period?

Obviously I'm being facetious on purpose to explain that there is a diminishing level of effectiveness with steroid cycles. Most will agree that tends to happen around week 8 or so...give or take. This has nothing to do with calories consumed.

No, I'm not saying that. your body becomes unresponsive after certain period of time . Some people begin noticing good gains on week 6-8, so why aborting cycle when you just starting noticing gains?

[Lunk1]

No, I'm not saying that. your body becomes unresponsive after certain period of time . Some people begin noticing good gains on week 6-8, so why aborting cycle when you just starting noticing gains?

By that theory, then why don't we recommend running the cycle for 12 weeks past when you start noticing gains?

The hormone goes to work almost immediately and your at peak levels within a short time. Just because we don't "notice good gains" or feel it "kick in" doesn't mean that it hasn't been effective for weeks already.

Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that everyone only run 6-8 week cycles of long estered steroids. I'm simply answering the OP's original question and pointing out that good gains can be made on short cycles and in fact, perhaps with less risk.

[DexterMorgan]

By that theory, then why don't we recommend running the cycle for 12 weeks past when you start noticing gains?

The hormone goes to work almost immediately and your at peak levels within a short time. Just because we don't "notice good gains" or feel it "kick in" doesn't mean that it hasn't been effective for weeks already.

Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that everyone only run 6-8 week cycles of long estered steroids. I'm simply answering the OP's original question and pointing out that good gains can be made on short cycles and in fact, perhaps with less risk.

Yes it's possible, but running additional 2 or 3 weeks won't hurt.

The longer the ester, the longer you can run it because of it's sustained potency. Ideal cycle lengths are as follows:

- Short esters (prop, ace, phenyl) - 8 to 10 weeks is plenty
- Long esters (Enan, cyp, hex) - 12 to 14 weeks is plenty
- Super long esters (deca, undeca) 12 to 16 weeks is plenty

- Austinite

Edit: forum is slow today