Taking my anabolic cycle to the next level....expert advice much appreciated

[CJ1994]

This is my first post on this board, and I look forward to learning from the people here who have vast knowledge in steroids. So I am 21 years old, have started using steroids for around a year now. Both orals and a few injectables but nothing major. I have recently just finished a 6 week dianabol cycle, and for a while Ive been holding off the idea of injecting myself (previously it was done through a doctor, and it wasn't really a steroid cycle). But now i have figured its time to bite the bullet and go ahead and dive into it, I cannot keep laying off the injectables. As you may realize my goal in this cycle is to gain weight and size/lean mass while also maybe trimming off the remainder fatty bits if possible.

My stats below

5'8
88kg
BF percentage not quite sure, but i am still carrying a bit of fat but not too much.

So, I hope i can use this forum to maybe get some good recommendations for what kind of cycle i should run, i plan on overall being on gear for 12-14 weeks, so 6 weeks have gone to the orals, so another 8 weeks through injectables. I was recommended a cycle of tren/test and Hgh, but this kind of cycle requires a very good know how of exactly when to take which compound, its not something that can just be thrown into your body without having a good timetable of how to use it. So hopefully some of you more experienced guys can give me some recommendations on exactly how to put this cycle together. The cycle itself sounds good to me, but i just need help getting the exact compounds and timetables right.

[73rr]

So a doctor was giving u injection? I'm assuming because your levels are all f***ed up because of your dBall cycle?

DO NOT take that cycle your talking about. Please read all the sticky in the aas section.

U have no clue what your doing. Not trying to be insulting

[NACH3]

Welcome.... Diet & Cardio + training will get you where you need to be - not gear at your age

Your way too young to be cycling - do you know that your brain is still developing past the age of 21??? There's not an exact age that's dependent upon our genes we've been given thruough our parents... But Endocrinologists suggest the age of 25 so that your Endocrine system(which is part of your brain) can fully develop therefore, when shutting yourself down w/the help of HCG(on cycle which is an LH mimitec) and keeps functionality in your testes thus, creating a better chance of recovering... Since its your testes that are last to respond!!

Running oral only cycles are a waste of time and money not to mention its hepatoxicity and why would you shut yourself down w/out running test as a base to any and all cycles! I'm not suggesting you to cycle at all as you have all the test you need at your age - unless you've got BW showing you've not damaged yourself yet... Lifelong consequences we're talking!

It's clear you've got access to a great forum with all the info you need - just start reading -

I strongly suggest you look at your diet and training as this is the most important aspect of gaining anything and keeping those gains! Check out off diet sections & training sections!

Post a pic if your saying your carrying some fat but not much - or go by this
http://forums.steroid.com/members-pi...men-women.html

You don't need steroids - you need to work hard - no substitute for hard work -
ALSO, read these as we have kids your age that we see daily that do not listen to the advice we give and they then land here - asking wtf happened?!?!

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...%2A%2A%2A.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

Please reconsider your approach! Best of luck to not using until your of proper age if you've not already damaged yourself.. I'd suggest BW to see where your TT FT AND a hormone panel for males to see where you are!

And tren - please don't even think about that!

[CJ1994]

So a doctor was giving u injection? I'm assuming because your levels are all f***ed up because of your dBall cycle?

DO NOT take that cycle your talking about. Please read all the sticky in the aas section.

U have no clue what your doing. Not trying to be insulting

Nope, I went to the doctor as a means of getting compounds that I could rely on, so i dont insert any fake toxic into my body. The doctor was a hormone specialist and had done lots of work with the usual bodybuilders etc. He was the one who gave the DBOL and the sustanon etc. So far in my cycles I have yet to run into anything bad, because i have always made sure to run a PCT to ensure my body returns to its usual levels. I should have explained it in more depth, no insult taken!

[73rr]

Ok well, I would do EVERYTHING that nach has said. He is one of the best on this forum! And actually seem to care about the advice he puts on the board as well. Good luck with your training and stick around read, write and enjoy the forum like we all do.

[CJ1994]

nach3

Thanks for those links, going by the body fat percentage guide, I would say mine is between 17-25% (more closer to the 17% photo) but more muscle definition.

You see the issue is, I have seen many people my age maybe even younger start steroid cycles, they just made sure they was guided by an experienced user. I mean this is a poor example, but if you search up some of the pros in their young 20s they look like they've been on the juice for a few years. My brother who's a year younger than me, went on a full injectable cycle and made decent gains with no sides. I think that with somebody in my situation it really is just down to having the right mind to guide me with the actual cycle, of course this cycle is not something i am going to even contemplate doing unless i have the right mind behind me to guide me. I know my way around the gym and diet discipline is on point, I just feel like i am ready to get a decent cycle going finally.

[NACH3]

nach3

Thanks for those links, going by the body fat percentage guide, I would say mine is between 17-25% (more closer to the 17% photo) but more muscle definition.

You see the issue is, I have seen many people my age maybe even younger start steroid cycles, they just made sure they was guided by an experienced user. I mean this is a poor example, but if you search up some of the pros in their young 20s they look like they've been on the juice for a few years. My brother who's a year younger than me, went on a full injectable cycle and made decent gains with no sides. I think that with somebody in my situation it really is just down to having the right mind to guide me with the actual cycle, of course this cycle is not something i am going to even contemplate doing unless i have the right mind behind me to guide me. I know my way around the gym and diet discipline is on point, I just feel like i am ready to get a decent cycle going finally.

I hear you man... We've all been your age and like you all of my friends started young(even in HS)! Without even knowing what an AI/HCG/PCT was... Sure they got stronger than they would have - but their diet was sh!t and that along with your training is the most important things to be successful in this lifestyle! Now in their 30s they are either on trt or having problems with their gyno ED! Along with high BP, lipids are all messed up etc...

However, think of all of your natural testosterone running through your veins! This surely won't be the case if you choose to cycle at your age... You say your friend didn't experience any sides... He doesn't even know what he's looking of feeling for on a first cycle! What. Gyno?? That is the least of your worries of cycling at your age... I bet he doesn't have pre cycle BW to compare his mid cycle BW to and more importantly his post PCT BW to even see if he recovered to pre cycle status! Just sayin' that's the ink any to really know what us going on inside your body... Anything else is just a guess!

You may be done growing in height... But surely not in width! But you can surely tweak and better your diet and I know training - you haven't even been lifting long enough to know what your body responds best to training wise... And I'm not saying that as a knock - but as from someone who has just figured out that what I was doing wasn't the best option for my body to grow... It was Marcus on this very forum in his 'HIT Dungeon' that truly changed the way in how I grow! 8 months later 40+lbs if LBM gained while dropping bf% while bulking!

If I could go back in time and have known the things regarding diet/training that I know now would be the best thing I could've done... But I can't change time! Your there! Get these aspects in order and I bet you get passed any sticking point(plateau) you may get into!

We won't give you the bullet if your gun(gear) is loaded.... Sorry it's just for your safety - but surely stick around and all the info is at your fingertips(stickies etc) read learn pay it forward! You'll be way ahead of your time if you choose to wait and wayyy more successful!

GL and really think this thru... Are a few pounds of gains worth the possible lifelong risk of damaging your HPTA and Endocrine system??

[73rr]

Nach, your two post here should be saved! They are really in point for alot of these younger guys that are thinking about gear.

[NACH3]

Nach, your two post here should be saved! They are really in point for alot of these younger guys that are thinking about gear.

TY my man(the first one I took something outta Marcus' post regarding our genes and an exact age)but I enjoy trying to get them anyone, but especially the younger generation, to understand how REAL this is... Along with the side effects!

[TheTaxMan]

Uncle Nach

[kelkel]

i have always made sure to run a PCT to ensure my body returns to its usual levels. I should have explained it in more depth, no insult taken!

PCT is your best chance to return to normal, but keep in mind it will never ensure it. PCT is always a crap shoot.

[73rr]

I'm actually natty, but I have 3 friend, one worst then the others but they all completely messed up there life.(there word not mine).

I had gear and everything about to start at 20 years old when one of them stopped me. I hate when I hear jump into gear without really knowing there future.

That being said at some point I will do gear but I will do it right and when I need to (can't gain, can't lose fat, can't get into it) meaning when my test is so low I should us it..

[73rr]

TY my man(the first one I took something outta Marcus' post regarding our genes and an exact age)but I enjoy trying to get them anyone, but especially the younger generation, to understand how REAL this is... Along with the side effects!

^^^was suppose to quite your comment to me nach. For some reason this didn't work

[tempest818]

Im gonna be blunt but wtf is wrong with you man. Im 22 and it took me months of lurking this forum before i learned everything i could and what i needed for JUST a 500mg a week test cycle down to the fcking dottttt, only to be explained to by these same people what youre being told now. So i stopped what i was planning on doing because at this point its not about how well prepared I am or you are, but how our bodies will actually respond to these compounds at our age as opposed to the older guys like on here. But Tren Test and HGH...really? Youve been a member since january only to tell these guys that youve ran a dbol only cycle, that youre 17-25% bf, that your doc gives you this stuff because you probably screwed something up already, and now you plan to run test tren hgh? You dont care for yourself my dude? Cmon now...