Beware of taking pre-workout supplements while using steroids!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Beware of mixing pre-workout supplements (get your heart beating fast ) while using steroids (thicken your blood). The combination can harm your mental, physical, and sexual health!

"Marketing is persuasive and it can be easy to take the claims and boasts at face-value and overlook ingredients and the possible toll they can take on your overall health.

Several pre-workouts have even been banned because they contained substances known to increase the risk of heart attacks, bleeding of the brain, and even death. In 2014, an untested stimulant (DMBA) was found in at least a dozen dietary supplements. FYI: DMBA is a substance with a similar chemical makeup of DMAA, which is banned by the F.D.A. (in 2013) because it was found to lead to heart attacks. In April 2015, DMBA was eventually banned.

The pre-workout Craze by the company Driven Sports – marketed as containing natural substances and named 2012’s “New Supplement of the Year” by Bodybuilding.com – was found to have contained lethal doses of the compound N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine, a chemical similar to methamphetamine."

Some popular pre-workout supplements right now are:

C4 Extreme by Cellucor
Mr. Hyde by Pro Supps
Jack3D by USPlabs
Black Powder by MRI
Assault by MusclePharm
Hyper FX by BSN
Pre-Jym by Jym
N.O.-Xplode by BSN

[73rr]

According to Jim his pre jym supplement can be taken year round safely with no issues. I personally think that's crazy. What's your thoughts on that?

I personally only take a pre when I just can't get motivated. Witch is very rear

[np67]

Pre-workout supplements are a scam. If you buy these, then you are being scammed. You are better off drinking some coffee or Lucozade instead of the various supplements.
I have tried some and they did not do anything except taste vulgar and leave a nasty taste behind.

[FONZY007]

Beware of mixing pre-workout supplements (get your heart beating fast ) while using steroids (thicken your blood). The combination can harm your mental, physical, and sexual health!

"Marketing is persuasive and it can be easy to take the claims and boasts at face-value and overlook ingredients and the possible toll they can take on your overall health.

Several pre-workouts have even been banned because they contained substances known to increase the risk of heart attacks, bleeding of the brain, and even death. In 2014, an untested stimulant (DMBA) was found in at least a dozen dietary supplements. FYI: DMBA is a substance with a similar chemical makeup of DMAA, which is banned by the F.D.A. (in 2013) because it was found to lead to heart attacks. In April 2015, DMBA was eventually banned.

The pre-workout Craze by the company Driven Sports – marketed as containing natural substances and named 2012’s “New Supplement of the Year” by Bodybuilding.com – was found to have contained lethal doses of the compound N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine, a chemical similar to methamphetamine."

Some popular pre-workout supplements right now are:

C4 Extreme by Cellucor
Mr. Hyde by Pro Supps
Jack3D by USPlabs
Black Powder by MRI
Assault by MusclePharm
Hyper FX by BSN
Pre-Jym by Jym
N.O.-Xplode by BSN

Wow, I felt I had some issue due to this. Do you mean mixing preworkouts or just taking them in general?;I didn't care for the C4, but sometimes it is hard to get going in the mornings...

[kelkel]

N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine

I'm impressed with anyone who can spell or even pronounce that.
Coffee's it for me.

Gotta pick up your book Ronnie.

[AR's King Silabolin]

And this is coming from a guy who says you should deload just 2 weeks before you go on your next cycle :-)...sorry, disrespectfull i now, but that was my first thougth :-)

The best preworkout for stamina, strength and pump is beetrootjuice. I drink a bottle, 7,5 dl, before two of my workouts and it really does well. Beetrootjuice is superhealthy in many ways and i guess using it for preworkout is also healthy. Wheter ur on gear or not.

Ive read that NOs can lower your bloodpressure and it lowered mine. My natty BP now is lower than it was 20 years ago and i think its connected to the NOs i have been running the last 10 years.

People die when they have sex and i guess coffee kills also.
Im not buying this. I think most preworkouts are very safe compared to the other stuff we take. It is used everywhere. In my country they are psychorigid when it comes to dangerous supps. Long time 1000 mg C-vitamin tbls, Redbull and 100 mg coffeinpills were illegal. Whats legal in Norway is gtg. And most preworkouts are.

[Lordluke]

I bought one tub of no-xplode once took one serving and it made me feel so uncomfortable I gave it away, will never take a pre workout again let alone on a cycle.

[Simon1972]

Seems like we are defaulting to a community of must have a certain chemical to do anything. People spend $$ on a tub of sugared stimulants when old school originals will be safest and best. Start your work out with an espresso and enjoy life. Or a chocolate bar if you must. Back to basics fellas!!

[kelkel]

People die when they have sex and i guess coffee kills also.

If someone dies during sex then obviously there's a pre-existing condition. Or, their partner was butt ugly.
When it comes to coffee, science has evolved and the most recent studies show pretty much nothing but benefits.

[73rr]

If someone dies during sex then obviously there's a pre-existing condition. Or, their partner was butt ugly.
When it comes to coffee, science has evolved and the most recent studies show pretty much nothing but benefits.

I actually here that 1 coffee a day is good for u. According to recent studies. Just not all the stuff we put in it. Cream/sugar and all that awesome other flavoring

[Roger11]

I have taken a pre workout everyday for many years with a few weeks off here and there, i have never once had any issues. Guess we are all different.

[Kyle1337]

I bought one tub of no-xplode once took one serving and it made me feel so uncomfortable I gave it away, will never take a pre workout again let alone on a cycle.

Your first mistake was taking no-xplode, that stuff is junk. It gives you a terrible bloat feeling and makes you feel like crap! Use any other preworkout and you'll be much better off.

[tarmyg]

Coffee's it for me.

Same here!

[gorog25]

I tried many Pre workout stuff and all made me sick and lightheaded in the gym. The best what works for me is:

1500mg L-arginine
1500mg Green Tea extract 98%
1500mg Beta-Alanine
300mg coffeine
5g Creatin
5g BCAA
30g Vitargo or Better than Vitargo

You good to go

[TheTaxMan]

Double espresso for me, gives me the kick up the ass i need

[Ronnie Rowland]

According to Jim his pre jym supplement can be taken year round safely with no issues. I personally think that's crazy. What's your thoughts on that?

I personally only take a pre when I just can't get motivated. Witch is very rear

The container pre jym comes with a disclaimner that says- WARNING: Check with a qualified healthcare professional before taking this product. Do not use if you are sensitive to caffeine.

The product contains 300 mgs of caffeine per serving which is overkill in my opinion. Anything over 100 mgs of caffeine is usually too much! I use stay alert tablets from Walmart for my pre-workout. Each yellow tablet contains 200 mgs of caffeine. I break them into and take them 30-60 minutes before training. They are a lot less inexpensive than pre-workouts supplents, safer, and they don't cause stomach upset. Pre-workouts are also notorious for making you crash after the workout and some lower your sex drive Big Time!

[Dens228]

I tried many Pre workout stuff and all made me sick and lightheaded in the gym. The best what works for me is:

1500mg L-arginine
1500mg Green Tea extract 98%
1500mg Beta-Alanine
300mg coffeine
5g Creatin
5g BCAA
30g Vitargo or Better than Vitargo

You good to go

That sounds like the ingredient profile of some pre workouts though......

[bartman314]

it's cheaper if you build your own. my pw is much like gorogs.

of course, ymmv

[clarky.]

Never ever tried a pre workout just not my thing.

[MrFreshmaker]

The container pre jym comes with a disclaimner that says- WARNING: Check with a qualified healthcare professional before taking this product. Do not use if you are sensitive to caffeine. The product contains 300 mgs of caffeine per serving which is overkill in my opinion. Anything over 100 mgs of caffeine is usually too much! I use stay alert tablets from Walmart for my pre-workout. Each yellow tablet contains 200 mgs of caffeine. I break them into and take them 30-60 minutes before training. They are a lot less inexpensive than pre-workouts supplents, safer, and they don't cause stomach upset. Pre-workouts are also notorious for making you crash after the workout and some lower your sex drive Big Time!

One espresso shot contains 80 mg of caffeine.It's been like 10 years since i drink 7-8 espresso's per day(600 mg)and i never had any problem with blood pressure or whatever!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Wow, I felt I had some issue due to this. Do you mean mixing preworkouts or just taking them in general?;I didn't care for the C4, but sometimes it is hard to get going in the mornings...

Taking pre-workout supplements at any time can be hazardous to your health. I would suggest taking small amounts of caffeine instead during times of need.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm impressed with anyone who can spell or even pronounce that.
Coffee's it for me.

Gotta pick up your book Ronnie.

Thanks kelkel.I'm sure you'll like the book. Here's the link for others interested in improving their looks and health- http://www.amazon.com/Functional-Tra.../dp/069250236X

[Ronnie Rowland]

Your first mistake was taking no-xplode, that stuff is junk. It gives you a terrible bloat feeling and makes you feel like crap! Use any other preworkout and you'll be much better off.

Jacked 3D, HYDE and Dirty also makes a lot of people feel ill. They cant be good for anyone!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Your first mistake was taking no-xplode, that stuff is junk. It gives you a terrible bloat feeling and makes you feel like crap! Use any other preworkout and you'll be much better off.

Yeah, they should call it "EXPLODE" because it has made people puke!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Seems like we are defaulting to a community of must have a certain chemical to do anything. People spend $$ on a tub of sugared stimulants when old school originals will be safest and best. Start your work out with an espresso and enjoy life. Or a chocolate bar if you must. Back to basics fellas!!

"Seems like we are defaulting to a community of must have a certain chemical to do anything". So true!

[gorog25]

That sounds like the ingredient profile of some pre workouts though......

Yes simmilar with little differences on dosage and without coloring and other additives. This mix never made me sick. I can see my venas right after warmup.

[Dens228]

Yes simmilar with little differences on dosage and without coloring and other additives. This mix never made me sick. I can see my venas right after warmup.

Do you feel it's the additives that make you feel bad? I like those ingredients but have to admit I like the convenience of just dumping one scoop into a shaker. LOL

[jstone]

I use pre workout regularly, and im very stimulant tolerant. Mr. Hyde is actually my favorite. I only use it for the caffeine. I regularly donate blood, and my hematocrit is virtually always low end of the range.

Is it the caffeine or the proprietary ingredients that are the problem? I may have to pick up some of those caffeine pills and only use thag from now on.

I already purchased the book, but the old lady wants it tongo under the tree. I guess im hard to buy for, and its one of the few things I wanted. Im tempted to discretely open it while she is at work to read it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

And this is coming from a guy who says you should deload just 2 weeks before you go on your next cycle :-)...sorry, disrespectfull i now, but that was my first thougth :-)

The best preworkout for stamina, strength and pump is beetrootjuice. I drink a bottle, 7,5 dl, before two of my workouts and it really does well. Beetrootjuice is superhealthy in many ways and i guess using it for preworkout is also healthy. Wheter ur on gear or not.

Ive read that NOs can lower your bloodpressure and it lowered mine. My natty BP now is lower than it was 20 years ago and i think its connected to the NOs i have been running the last 10 years.

People die when they have sex and i guess coffee kills also.
Im not buying this. I think most preworkouts are very safe compared to the other stuff we take. It is used everywhere. In my country they are psychorigid when it comes to dangerous supps. Long time 1000 mg C-vitamin tbls, Redbull and 100 mg coffeinpills were illegal. Whats legal in Norway is gtg. And most preworkouts are.

Keep in mind that the Slingshot Functional Training with a 1-2 week period off steroids is for competitive bodybuilders looking to gain maximum size. There are also a lot of natural bodybuilders and those on Testosterone Replacement Therapy performing "Slingshot Functional Training".

I would also like to say, I believe stimulants are more dangerous for the heart than steroids!

[Ronnie Rowland]

If someone dies during sex then obviously there's a pre-existing condition. Or, their partner was butt ugly.
When it comes to coffee, science has evolved and the most recent studies show pretty much nothing but benefits.

lol..Your right on both accounts kelkel!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I use pre workout regularly, and im very stimulant tolerant. Mr. Hyde is actually my favorite. I only use it for the caffeine. I regularly donate blood, and my hematocrit is virtually always low end of the range.

Is it the caffeine or the proprietary ingredients that are the problem? I may have to pick up some of those caffeine pills and only use thag from now on.

I already purchased the book, but the old lady wants it tongo under the tree. I guess im hard to buy for, and its one of the few things I wanted. Im tempted to discretely open it while she is at work to read it.

Don't feel bad jstone! Your are not the only bodybuilder with my book, "Functional Training with a Fork", sitting under a Christmas tree..lol


If your hematocrit levels and blood pressure is on the lower end, then it would be safer for you to use pre-workout supplements than if things were the other way around.

Another problem with pre-workout is having an allergic reaction and/or causing an exercised induced asthma attack. People with diagnosed heart conditions are also at great risk taking anything that gets the heart rate up too high (e.g., clenbuterol, ephedrine, t3, guarana, excessive amounts of caffeine, and various ingredients in pre-workout supplements!

[Ronnie Rowland]

One espresso shot contains 80 mg of caffeine.It's been like 10 years since i drink 7-8 espresso's per day(600 mg)and i never had any problem with blood pressure or whatever!

Keep in mind that just because you can take 600 mgs of caffeine daily and not experience side effects doesn't make it so for everyone. Taking that much caffeine would put some people in the hospital or even worse, the grave!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I actually here that 1 coffee a day is good for u. According to recent studies. Just not all the stuff we put in it. Cream/sugar and all that awesome other flavoring

True! Especially if the coffee is organic. A lot of the conventional coffee has been found to contain traces of very high-risk pesticides such as DDT.

[wellshii]

My Pw consist of Pure caffeine powder equal to 200mg. Most of those preworkouts you can mix yourself anyways in powdered form without the added artificial junk. Can't do without my caff though.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Don't feel bad jstone! Your are not the only bodybuilder with my book, "Functional Training with a Fork", sitting under a Christmas tree..lol


If your hematocrit levels and blood pressure is on the lower end, then it would be safer for you to use pre-workout supplements than if things were the other way around.

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I must admit, i looked at this the opposite way. I though NO-ex f.i expanded your veins and artilleries and that way a high hct-guy would decrease his chances of getting a clot or strok/heart-attach while on as his thickened blood wood do better in enlarged "tubes"

[Score]

Any concern with throat deterioration?

I take it twice a day and have a constant dull throat ache.

Worries me from time to time, but then I'm dragging and I take another one. NO2 Xplode is my typical go-to.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I must admit, i looked at this the opposite way. I though NO-ex f.i expanded your veins and artilleries and that way a high hct-guy would decrease his chances of getting a clot or strok/heart-attach while on as his thickened blood wood do better in enlarged "tubes"

I certainly understand where you are coming from Silabolin. Please keep in mind that testosterone also dilates the arteries, but when hematocrit levels become excessively high you can have a stroke. You don't even have to be working out to experience a stroke from excessively high hematocrit levels. When you add a very rapid heart beat into the mix by taking certain pre-workout ssupplements it puts you at risk. Taking excessive amounts of caffeine right before lifting weights can cause a potentially problematic spike in your blood pressure levels. This can cause both heart and kidney damage over time. Ive worked with enough people who were on dialysis and who have pacemakers to be aware of the consequences of high blood pressure.

Even with low hematocrit levels and dilated veins, you can permanently damage your heart from using pre-workout supplements long term.

The most prominent symptom of "pre-wokrout supplement withdrawal" (12–24 hours after the last dose) is headaches. They can also cause anxiety, fatigue, drowsiness, depression, and a lack of libido.

"According to "Nutrition Concepts & Controversies," 3,343 cases of caffeine poisoning were reported to the American Association of Poison Control Center in 2009. In 1989, the US Food and Drug Administration limited the amount of caffeine in over-the-counter drugs to a maximum of 200 mg/dose. Doses between 250 and 500 mg can cause undesirable effects, such as restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, fatigue and tremors. Higher daily doses can cause severe glandular fatigue from over-production of adrenaline and other hormones, cardiovascular problems and altered brain activity that culminates in seizures. People most at risk for severe caffeine toxicity are bodybuilders and other athletes that intentionally supplement with caffeine, people addicted to drugs with caffeine, long-term energy drink addicts and epileptics, as noted by Sari Edelstein, author of "Nutrition and Public Health."

"Excess caffeine can damage your nerves. According to the book "Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism," the main action of caffeine is to counteract the effects of the brain chemical adenosine, which results in "reduced" blood flow to your brain and damage to neurons. Damage to neurons in your brain is experienced as headaches, dizziness, seizures and reduced fine-motor coordination in your hands.Reducing your caffeine consumption and supplementing with a B-complex vitamin should help combat these symptoms. Long-term vitamin B-6 and B-12 deficiency often results in permanent nerve damage."

DMMA has been marketed under many names as a dietary supplement. The substance raises the stress on your heart and blood pressure.
Side Effects Of DMAA are as follows:

Seizures
Cardiac Arrest
Fainting
Liver failure
Heart palpitations
Kidney Failure

[Ronnie Rowland]

Any concern with throat deterioration?

I take it twice a day and have a constant dull throat ache.

Worries me from time to time, but then I'm dragging and I take another one. NO2 Xplode is my typical go-to.

Score, the throat pain is a sign your are having a allergic reaction to the pre-workout supplement you are using. I would discontinue using it!

[jstone]

Don't feel bad jstone! Your are not the only bodybuilder with my book, "Functional Training with a Fork", sitting under a Christmas tree..lol


If your hematocrit levels and blood pressure is on the lower end, then it would be safer for you to use pre-workout supplements than if things were the other way around.

Another problem with pre-workout is having an allergic reaction and/or causing an exercised induced asthma attack. People with diagnosed heart conditions are also at great risk taking anything that gets the heart rate up too high (e.g., clenbuterol, ephedrine, t3, guarana, excessive amounts of caffeine, and various ingredients in pre-workout supplements!

Thanks Ronnie, I plan on discontinuing the pre workout once there gone. I will replace with a small amount of caffeine, and something like aakg. No more 30 dollars a month on pre workouts.

I cant wait to read the book, and start using the information.

[Ashop]

Pre-workout supplements are a scam. If you buy these, then you are being scammed. You are better off drinking some coffee or Lucozade instead of the various supplements.
I have tried some and they did not do anything except taste vulgar and leave a nasty taste behind.

There are some out there that have been pretty good and not a scam at all.
Anything effective it seems the USA FDA always has to interfere somehow.