Beware of taking pre-workout supplements while using steroids!

[jstone]

I use pre workout regularly, and im very stimulant tolerant. Mr. Hyde is actually my favorite. I only use it for the caffeine. I regularly donate blood, and my hematocrit is virtually always low end of the range.

Is it the caffeine or the proprietary ingredients that are the problem? I may have to pick up some of those caffeine pills and only use thag from now on.

I already purchased the book, but the old lady wants it tongo under the tree. I guess im hard to buy for, and its one of the few things I wanted. Im tempted to discretely open it while she is at work to read it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I use pre workout regularly, and im very stimulant tolerant. Mr. Hyde is actually my favorite. I only use it for the caffeine. I regularly donate blood, and my hematocrit is virtually always low end of the range.

Is it the caffeine or the proprietary ingredients that are the problem? I may have to pick up some of those caffeine pills and only use thag from now on.

I already purchased the book, but the old lady wants it tongo under the tree. I guess im hard to buy for, and its one of the few things I wanted. Im tempted to discretely open it while she is at work to read it.

Don't feel bad jstone! Your are not the only bodybuilder with my book, "Functional Training with a Fork", sitting under a Christmas tree..lol


If your hematocrit levels and blood pressure is on the lower end, then it would be safer for you to use pre-workout supplements than if things were the other way around.

Another problem with pre-workout is having an allergic reaction and/or causing an exercised induced asthma attack. People with diagnosed heart conditions are also at great risk taking anything that gets the heart rate up too high (e.g., clenbuterol, ephedrine, t3, guarana, excessive amounts of caffeine, and various ingredients in pre-workout supplements!

[AR's King Silabolin]

Don't feel bad jstone! Your are not the only bodybuilder with my book, "Functional Training with a Fork", sitting under a Christmas tree..lol


If your hematocrit levels and blood pressure is on the lower end, then it would be safer for you to use pre-workout supplements than if things were the other way around.

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I must admit, i looked at this the opposite way. I though NO-ex f.i expanded your veins and artilleries and that way a high hct-guy would decrease his chances of getting a clot or strok/heart-attach while on as his thickened blood wood do better in enlarged "tubes"

[Ronnie Rowland]

I must admit, i looked at this the opposite way. I though NO-ex f.i expanded your veins and artilleries and that way a high hct-guy would decrease his chances of getting a clot or strok/heart-attach while on as his thickened blood wood do better in enlarged "tubes"

I certainly understand where you are coming from Silabolin. Please keep in mind that testosterone also dilates the arteries, but when hematocrit levels become excessively high you can have a stroke. You don't even have to be working out to experience a stroke from excessively high hematocrit levels. When you add a very rapid heart beat into the mix by taking certain pre-workout ssupplements it puts you at risk. Taking excessive amounts of caffeine right before lifting weights can cause a potentially problematic spike in your blood pressure levels. This can cause both heart and kidney damage over time. Ive worked with enough people who were on dialysis and who have pacemakers to be aware of the consequences of high blood pressure.

Even with low hematocrit levels and dilated veins, you can permanently damage your heart from using pre-workout supplements long term.

The most prominent symptom of "pre-wokrout supplement withdrawal" (12–24 hours after the last dose) is headaches. They can also cause anxiety, fatigue, drowsiness, depression, and a lack of libido.

"According to "Nutrition Concepts & Controversies," 3,343 cases of caffeine poisoning were reported to the American Association of Poison Control Center in 2009. In 1989, the US Food and Drug Administration limited the amount of caffeine in over-the-counter drugs to a maximum of 200 mg/dose. Doses between 250 and 500 mg can cause undesirable effects, such as restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, fatigue and tremors. Higher daily doses can cause severe glandular fatigue from over-production of adrenaline and other hormones, cardiovascular problems and altered brain activity that culminates in seizures. People most at risk for severe caffeine toxicity are bodybuilders and other athletes that intentionally supplement with caffeine, people addicted to drugs with caffeine, long-term energy drink addicts and epileptics, as noted by Sari Edelstein, author of "Nutrition and Public Health."

"Excess caffeine can damage your nerves. According to the book "Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism," the main action of caffeine is to counteract the effects of the brain chemical adenosine, which results in "reduced" blood flow to your brain and damage to neurons. Damage to neurons in your brain is experienced as headaches, dizziness, seizures and reduced fine-motor coordination in your hands.Reducing your caffeine consumption and supplementing with a B-complex vitamin should help combat these symptoms. Long-term vitamin B-6 and B-12 deficiency often results in permanent nerve damage."

DMMA has been marketed under many names as a dietary supplement. The substance raises the stress on your heart and blood pressure.
Side Effects Of DMAA are as follows:

Seizures
Cardiac Arrest
Fainting
Liver failure
Heart palpitations
Kidney Failure

[Proximal]

Please keep in mind that testosterone also dilates the arteries, but when hematocrit levels become excessively high you can have a stroke. You don't even have to be working out to experience a stroke from excessively high hematocrit levels. When you add a very rapid heart beat into the mix by taking certain pre-workout ssupplements it puts you at risk. Taking excessive amounts of caffeine right before lifting weights can cause a potentially problematic spike in your blood pressure levels. This can cause both heart and kidney damage over time. Ive worked with enough people who were on dialysis and who have pacemakers to be aware of the consequences of high blood pressure.

Stimulants also cause vasoconstriction. So depending upon the strength/mixture of the pre-workout, you can be playing with fire. Nasty equation: vasoconstriction, plus elevated heart rate from the workout, plus blood pressure driven up by the workout, then potentially add viscous blood from an elevated hematocrit - you may be looking at creating vascular damage that is going to manifest itself later in life - for instance damaging small arterioles in your brain and setting up a future aneurysm, leading to a CVA. Great thread, I personally think pre-workouts might be the most dangerous over-the-counter supplement out there. I'm new to the forum, but have been involved with medicine/fitness since my 20's - I'm currently 57.

[Proximal]

You sound like Ronnie talking...lol...I have to agree with you boys....

After reading his multiple posts and me just being a new member, I'll take that as the ultimate compliment - thanks!

[jstone]

Don't feel bad jstone! Your are not the only bodybuilder with my book, "Functional Training with a Fork", sitting under a Christmas tree..lol


If your hematocrit levels and blood pressure is on the lower end, then it would be safer for you to use pre-workout supplements than if things were the other way around.

Another problem with pre-workout is having an allergic reaction and/or causing an exercised induced asthma attack. People with diagnosed heart conditions are also at great risk taking anything that gets the heart rate up too high (e.g., clenbuterol, ephedrine, t3, guarana, excessive amounts of caffeine, and various ingredients in pre-workout supplements!

Thanks Ronnie, I plan on discontinuing the pre workout once there gone. I will replace with a small amount of caffeine, and something like aakg. No more 30 dollars a month on pre workouts.

I cant wait to read the book, and start using the information.