Heart damage from Testosterone use? It's possible?

[Slacker78]

In brief: AAS affect the heart. BP, Lipids, Homocysteine, RBC, Increased Vascular Reactivity, Estrogens spikes are the all entities you have to fight for. The risk exists, there's a lot literature it about. The only way you have to lower the risks is use it with responsability, monitor your blood and take time to rest between cycles. Keep in my mind that more dosages and duration are higher and more you increase the risk to develop troubles. To have a good results it's not necessary to inject huge quantity of AAS: even 300mg/week of test with a good diet, could give you a good mass muscle increment. When you often heard tell stories about Body Builders which died or develop big heart troubles, in the majority of the cases is they did AAS abuse for a long term, neglecting the risks. Here there's a list of what you have to avoid to minimize the risks ( heart troubles included ):

1) Use moderate dosages. Keep in mind that you can get a great results just with 5 times more supra-physiological of Testosterone ( around 300mg/week ), training hard and keeping a perfect diet.
2) Don't overcome 8-12 weeks of total cycle period.
3) Take supplements to help your body to tolerate at best the AAS stress during cycle ( Fish oil, NAC, Vit B complex, baby-aspirin )
4) BLOOD WORK ! Before, immediately after you begin a cycle, at mid-cycle and after PCT. This is the most important part.
5) DIET. Eat at best you can and avoid simply sugar. The most control of your cycle you have is through diet. REMOVE ALL SODIUM !
6) Cardio. Blood has to flow as much as possible. So cardio, EVERYDAY.
7) Take a long pause between cycles to make your body resume its physiological hormonal balance.

These are the most important things you have to carve in your mind.

[Marsoc]

In brief: AAS affect the heart. BP, Lipids, Homocysteine, RBC, Increased Vascular Reactivity, Estrogens spikes are the all entities you have to fight for. The risk exists, there's a lot literature it about. The only way you have to lower the risks is use it with responsability, monitor your blood and take time to rest between cycles. Keep in my mind that more dosages and duration are higher and more you increase the risk to develop troubles. To have a good results it's not necessary to inject huge quantity of AAS: even 300mg/week of test with a good diet, could give you a good mass muscle increment. When you often heard tell stories about Body Builders which died or develop big heart troubles, in the majority of the cases is they did AAS abuse for a long term, neglecting the risks. Here there's a list of what you have to avoid to minimize the risks ( heart troubles included ):

1) Use moderate dosages. Keep in mind that you can get a great results just with 5 times more supra-physiological of Testosterone ( around 300mg/week ), training hard and keeping a perfect diet.
2) Don't overcome 8-12 weeks of total cycle period.
3) Take supplements to help your body to tolerate at best the AAS stress during cycle ( Fish oil, NAC, Vit B complex, baby-aspirin )
4) BLOOD WORK ! Before, immediately after you begin a cycle, at mid-cycle and after PCT. This is the most important part.
5) DIET. Eat at best you can and avoid simply sugar. The most control of your cycle you have is through diet. REMOVE ALL SODIUM !
6) Cardio. Blood has to flow as much as possible. So cardio, EVERYDAY.
7) Take a long pause between cycles to make your body resume its physiological hormonal balance.

These are the most important things you have to carve in your mind.

Do you mean a brand name sugar called "simply sugar " or ar should saying to simply avoid sugar lol...?seriously..

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Do you mean a brand name sugar called "simply sugar " or ar should saying to simply avoid sugar lol...?seriously..

avoid simple sugars

[devil-1986]

In brief: AAS affect the heart. BP, Lipids, Homocysteine, RBC, Increased Vascular Reactivity, Estrogens spikes are the all entities you have to fight for. The risk exists, there's a lot literature it about. The only way you have to lower the risks is use it with responsability, monitor your blood and take time to rest between cycles. Keep in my mind that more dosages and duration are higher and more you increase the risk to develop troubles. To have a good results it's not necessary to inject huge quantity of AAS: even 300mg/week of test with a good diet, could give you a good mass muscle increment. When you often heard tell stories about Body Builders which died or develop big heart troubles, in the majority of the cases is they did AAS abuse for a long term, neglecting the risks. Here there's a list of what you have to avoid to minimize the risks ( heart troubles included ):

1) Use moderate dosages. Keep in mind that you can get a great results just with 5 times more supra-physiological of Testosterone ( around 300mg/week ), training hard and keeping a perfect diet.
2) Don't overcome 8-12 weeks of total cycle period.
3) Take supplements to help your body to tolerate at best the AAS stress during cycle ( Fish oil, NAC, Vit B complex, baby-aspirin )
4) BLOOD WORK ! Before, immediately after you begin a cycle, at mid-cycle and after PCT. This is the most important part.
5) DIET. Eat at best you can and avoid simply sugar. The most control of your cycle you have is through diet. REMOVE ALL SODIUM !
6) Cardio. Blood has to flow as much as possible. So cardio, EVERYDAY.
7) Take a long pause between cycles to make your body resume its physiological hormonal balance.

These are the most important things you have to carve in your mind.

thank u bro, very nice and useful info , what is your idea about length of cycle ? is it best to do it between 4-6 week for minimize the risks ?

[Slacker78]

thank u bro, very nice and useful info , what is your idea about length of cycle ? is it best to do it between 4-6 week for minimize the risks ?

Less is the best. But it's true there are long esters which take effect after the first months. I prefer to stay in cycle for max 2 months using short esters as base ( Test prop for example ) . And give in these 2 months the best i can under evert aspect ( diet, cardio, training, supplements, blood work etc.. ). Dosages and times make the huge difference.

[devil-1986]

Less is the best. But it's true there are long esters which take effect after the first months. I prefer to stay in cycle for max 2 months using short esters as base ( Test prop for example ) . And give in these 2 months the best i can under evert aspect ( diet, cardio, training, supplements, blood work etc.. ). Dosages and times make the huge difference.

thanks again and what about baby aspirin during cycles ? dosage , time , duration ,..? have it any sides ?

[TestoSuper]

In brief: AAS affect the heart. BP, Lipids, Homocysteine, RBC, Increased Vascular Reactivity, Estrogens spikes are the all entities you have to fight for. The risk exists, there's a lot literature it about. The only way you have to lower the risks is use it with responsability, monitor your blood and take time to rest between cycles. Keep in my mind that more dosages and duration are higher and more you increase the risk to develop troubles. To have a good results it's not necessary to inject huge quantity of AAS: even 300mg/week of test with a good diet, could give you a good mass muscle increment. When you often heard tell stories about Body Builders which died or develop big heart troubles, in the majority of the cases is they did AAS abuse for a long term, neglecting the risks. Here there's a list of what you have to avoid to minimize the risks ( heart troubles included ):

1) Use moderate dosages. Keep in mind that you can get a great results just with 5 times more supra-physiological of Testosterone ( around 300mg/week ), training hard and keeping a perfect diet.
2) Don't overcome 8-12 weeks of total cycle period.
3) Take supplements to help your body to tolerate at best the AAS stress during cycle ( Fish oil, NAC, Vit B complex, baby-aspirin )
4) BLOOD WORK ! Before, immediately after you begin a cycle, at mid-cycle and after PCT. This is the most important part.
5) DIET. Eat at best you can and avoid simply sugar. The most control of your cycle you have is through diet. REMOVE ALL SODIUM !
6) Cardio. Blood has to flow as much as possible. So cardio, EVERYDAY.
7) Take a long pause between cycles to make your body resume its physiological hormonal balance.

These are the most important things you have to carve in your mind.

Very useful information, thanks.
essentially I agree with you that the abuse, in quantities and times, is harmful ...until now I have always respected your every point mentioned above.. (maybe except in dosages, I hold 500/600 mg a week test)
What is the NAC exactly?
What function does the baby-aspirin as supplement?
how can I completely remove the sodium?

[Slacker78]

Very useful information, thanks.
essentially I agree with you that the abuse, in quantities and times, is harmful ...until now I have always respected your every point mentioned above.. (maybe except in dosages, I hold 500/600 mg a week test)
What is the NAC exactly?
What function does the baby-aspirin as supplement?
how can I completely remove the sodium?

NAC is L-Acetylcysteine. It's a glutatione precursor. It helps liver to keep its healthy state, lower homocysteine level and protect the kidneys. It's used from 600mg/ED to 2400/ED ( the latter dosage is suggested just for steroids which are heavy for liver as 17-Alpha etc.. ) for a simple cycle around 700-800mg of total gear, 1200mg/ED is enough.

Baby-Aspirin ( about 80-100mg/ED ) inhibits tromboxanes production and so platetes aggregation. Steroids increase tromboxanes production causing an increasing of their receptors ( A2 ). This might lead to blood hypercoagulation that is not a good thing, especially when Hematocrit is high. Aspirin, blocks tromboxanes production, making blood smoother and fluid. 80mg/ED is enough for dosages discussed. But take a gastro-protector because aspirin could damage your stomac. I use Sucralfate and IPP at low dosages as i have gastritis. Use it for all cycle life-time, PCT included, but keep an eye on your stomac.

You can't totally remove Sodium but you have to look to limit it as much as possible. High Sodium is dangerous, especially under steroids cycle. Don't use it in your diet as much as possible, it's simply. And remove all simply sugars... ALL. You diet is the first defense line when you're on cycle.

Hope this helps.

[TestoSuper]

NAC is L-Acetylcysteine. It's a glutatione precursor. It helps liver to keep its healthy state, lower homocysteine level and protect the kidneys. It's used from 600mg/ED to 2400/ED ( the latter dosage is suggested just for steroids which are heavy for liver as 17-Alpha etc.. ) for a simple cycle around 700-800mg of total gear, 1200mg/ED is enough.

Baby-Aspirin ( about 80-100mg/ED ) inhibits tromboxanes production and so platetes aggregation. Steroids increase tromboxanes production causing an increasing of their receptors ( A2 ). This might lead to blood hypercoagulation that is not a good thing, especially when Hematocrit is high. Aspirin, blocks tromboxanes production, making blood smoother and fluid. 80mg/ED is enough for dosages discussed. But take a gastro-protector because aspirin could damage your stomac. I use Sucralfate and IPP at low dosages as i have gastritis. Use it for all cycle life-time, PCT included, but keep an eye on your stomac.

You can't totally remove Sodium but you have to look to limit it as much as possible. High Sodium is dangerous, especially under steroids cycle. Don't use it in your diet as much as possible, it's simply. And remove all simply sugars... ALL. You diet is the first defense line when you're on cycle.

Hope this helps.

Perfect all clear.
I would like to ask your opinion about cabergoline .
I cycled in the past 2 times deca durabolin without cabergoline , but the recovery has always been very difficult and long (after 3/4 months of the end pct still very low testosterone values ​​) I believe this is due to progesterone of deca .
Next winter in my bulking cycle would still stack the deca ( in my opinion a very good steroid with marked and numerous benefits and very safe , apart from this drawback of the strong suppression dell'hpta ) then I would use it absolutly together with testosterone ... in your opinion, if I associate cabergoline ( 0.5 mg 2 times a week ) can be less suppression of the HPTA and then have faster and better recovery ? have you had direct experience in this?

[Slacker78]

Perfect all clear.
I would like to ask your opinion about cabergoline .
I cycled in the past 2 times deca durabolin without cabergoline , but the recovery has always been very difficult and long (after 3/4 months of the end pct still very low testosterone values ​​) I believe this is due to progesterone of deca .
Next winter in my bulking cycle would still stack the deca ( in my opinion a very good steroid with marked and numerous benefits and very safe , apart from this drawback of the strong suppression dell'hpta ) then I would use it absolutly together with testosterone ... in your opinion, if I associate cabergoline ( 0.5 mg 2 times a week ) can be less suppression of the HPTA and then have faster and better recovery ? have you had direct experience in this?

Never used cabergoline till now. I used Deca in several cycles and my recovery was very rapid. I always stopped DECA - in a 12 weeks cycle - 2 weeks before the end of cycle. And if i stacked it with another long Test ester as Enanthate, i stopped both at 10 week and continued with Test Prop of 100mg/ED for the remaning 2 weeks, before start PCT. I think this is more effectiveness protocol. Futher, regardless subjectivity of each one, my question is always the same: did you used HCG while on cycle ??????? LH production usually, starts very quick; are the tests that often, have some problem to reply to stimulus of the latter. Preserve your tests trofism is CRUCIAL to recovery. And this is because my PCTs after DECA cycle, were rapid. No matter how your HPTA axis is shutted down: your tests are the most important thing you have to preserve in this case, because you can product tons of LH, but if tests don't reply, it's useless.

Hope this helps.

[TestoSuper]

Never used cabergoline till now. I used Deca in several cycles and my recovery was very rapid. I always stopped DECA - in a 12 weeks cycle - 2 weeks before the end of cycle. And if i stacked it with another long Test ester as Enanthate, i stopped both at 10 week and continued with Test Prop of 100mg/ED for the remaning 2 weeks, before start PCT. I think this is more effectiveness protocol. Futher, regardless subjectivity of each one, my question is always the same: did you used HCG while on cycle ??????? LH production usually, starts very quick; are the tests that often, have some problem to reply to stimulus of the latter. Preserve your tests trofism is CRUCIAL to recovery. And this is because my PCTs after DECA cycle, were rapid. No matter how your HPTA axis is shutted down: your tests are the most important thing you have to preserve in this case, because you can product tons of LH, but if tests don't reply, it's useless.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for reply.
Absolutely yes , I always used HCG throughout the cycle at very low dose (250 ui 2 x week) is too loow in your opinion?
and stopped Deca 2 weeks before Test
In my opinion my strong and long shutdown is due to progesterone of deca,,,
but I never made ​​a "bridge" between the last injection and PCT (like your test prop)
Do you think it's better doing a bridge between last inject and PCT? I thought I'd do it in the next cycle with 40 mg of anavar a day

[Slacker78]

Thanks for reply.
Absolutely yes , I always used HCG throughout the cycle at very low dose (250 ui 2 x week) is too loow in your opinion?
and stopped Deca 2 weeks before Test
In my opinion my strong and long shutdown is due to progesterone of deca,,,
but I never made ​​a "bridge" between the last injection and PCT (like your test prop)
Do you think it's better doing a bridge between last inject and PCT? I thought I'd do it in the next cycle with 40 mg of anavar a day

No, if you see you tests with regular dimensions and not shrinked the dosage it's good. The bridge is just for keep a short anabolic activity, giving more time to long esters to fade away from your body. If you do not a bridge, you have to stop Deca 2 weeks before the end of cycle and continuing just with e.g. Test Enanthate ( long ester ) for the remaning 2 weeks; after you stopped the latter, you have to wait another 2 weeks before start PCT.

What were your DECA dosages in your cycle ?

[Mr.BB]

And if i stacked it with another long Test ester as Enanthate, i stopped both at 10 week and continued with Test Prop of 100mg/ED for the remaning 2 weeks, before start PCT. I think this is more effectiveness protocol.

Deca need minimum 21 days for half life to clear. Personnally think that deca needs to be stopped full 4 weeks before starting PCT.

If you used to prop in the 2 weeks and started PCT right after (3 days) it was too soon.

[Slacker78]

Deca need minimum 21 days for half life to clear. Personnally think that deca needs to be stopped full 4 weeks before starting PCT.

If you used to prop in the 2 weeks and started PCT right after (3 days) it was too soon.

Mr.BB, i always recovered with DECA enough quickly with this protocol. Maybe it would be good taking some week more... it's possible as general rule.