First ever Test E only cycle

[Jangles1]

Coming up to the end of week 10. Fuck today was 1) hard and 2) BRUTAL on my forearms. The pump was out of this world. Felt like my arms were made out of steel or something. Very weird sensation. I had to leave pull ups as I felt that something would snap in my forearms as they were so tight.

Below are some pics


This is the start of my journey. I am 179lbs here and I tried to cut down to as low as I felt I could simply to shed as much BF as I could. Obviously I am skinny as fuck here...




Here is today PRE workout pump. Its important to say 'pre' workout as this is I guess what I look like naturally now with no 1 hour workout to help my body look much better




And here is the side by side. I do not know my weight yet as I am waiting until Monday to weigh (so I have had a full week back from the holidays, eating and training properly).





Overall, I am happy with the progress. I am not moaning, but I did think I would be more blown up at this point. By blown up I mean more bulging muscles (bis, tris, traps). Instead I have just filled out somewhat. By no means am I disappointed. Its been quite a nice steady progression and it IS what I wanted, not to blow up too much too fast.

Like everyone has said, I could have most likely achieved something similar without AAS over 6 or so months (a rough guess). I would love to have seen the transformation without AAS at this point, but hey, thats impossible and I most certainly do not regret doing it.

Maybe I am been too harsh on myself. Looking closely at these pics I do look to have gained a huge amount of size, just not really bulging biceps or triceps. I only get that post work out after with a pump.

Can anyone give me a NONE biast opinion on how long this transformation would have taken if I did the exact same thing but removed the Test ?


I still have 5 shots of Test Cyp (250mg) and 10+ test prop shots left before my PCT. Hopefully the legit dosed Test Cup starts to kick in at the start of week 11. I was thinking of extending my cycle to 14 weeks to give the Test Cyp time to kick in. I want to make the most of this and with me having almost no negative sides, I think it would be beneficial to me.

Currently I am on 100mg eod of Test P and 250mg twice a week Test C. (the test P is in there to make up for the TRT dose of test I was on for the first 6 weeks). Essentially I am on 850mg of Test E a week and have no sides. Even acne has stopped. Very weird.

Any opinions on the cycle and if extending to 14 weeks, good or bad are welcome as long as they're constructive.

[hollowedzeus]

Coming up to the end of week 10. Fuck today was 1) hard and 2) BRUTAL on my forearms. The pump was out of this world. Felt like my arms were made out of steel or something. Very weird sensation. I had to leave pull ups as I felt that something would snap in my forearms as they were so tight.

Below are some pics


This is the start of my journey. I am 179lbs here and I tried to cut down to as low as I felt I could simply to shed as much BF as I could. Obviously I am skinny as fuck here...




Here is today PRE workout pump. Its important to say 'pre' workout as this is I guess what I look like naturally now with no 1 hour workout to help my body look much better




And here is the side by side. I do not know my weight yet as I am waiting until Monday to weigh (so I have had a full week back from the holidays, eating and training properly).





Overall, I am happy with the progress. I am not moaning, but I did think I would be more blown up at this point. By blown up I mean more bulging muscles (bis, tris, traps). Instead I have just filled out somewhat. By no means am I disappointed. Its been quite a nice steady progression and it IS what I wanted, not to blow up too much too fast.

Like everyone has said, I could have most likely achieved something similar without AAS over 6 or so months (a rough guess). I would love to have seen the transformation without AAS at this point, but hey, thats impossible and I most certainly do not regret doing it.

Maybe I am been too harsh on myself. Looking closely at these pics I do look to have gained a huge amount of size, just not really bulging biceps or triceps. I only get that post work out after with a pump.

Can anyone give me a NONE biast opinion on how long this transformation would have taken if I did the exact same thing but removed the Test ?


I still have 5 shots of Test Cyp (250mg) and 10+ test prop shots left before my PCT. Hopefully the legit dosed Test Cup starts to kick in at the start of week 11. I was thinking of extending my cycle to 14 weeks to give the Test Cyp time to kick in. I want to make the most of this and with me having almost no negative sides, I think it would be beneficial to me.

Currently I am on 100mg eod of Test P and 250mg twice a week Test C. (the test P is in there to make up for the TRT dose of test I was on for the first 6 weeks). Essentially I am on 850mg of Test E a week and have no sides. Even acne has stopped. Very weird.

Any opinions on the cycle and if extending to 14 weeks, good or bad are welcome as long as they're constructive.

I went from 174 skinny to 200ish in 16 or so weeks if i recall right. Obviously put on fat but added mass naturally with low t.

Definetly think you jumped the gun a wee tad

[Jangles1]

I went from 174 skinny to 200ish in 16 or so weeks if i recall right. Obviously put on fat but added mass naturally with low t.

Definetly think you jumped the gun a wee tad

100% mate. Not even in question.

At least the Test will have helped with fat

[1moreset024]

You could have done this Natty in the same time frame, maybe extra 4 weeks, do about 18 weeks.

Id have liked to see you at 200 lbs. Cuzz I'm positive that was only extra fat getting you that weight.

Just cuzz you were a fat 200, doesn't m mean you were a 200pound muscle man, send that won't print your bodies muscle memory and such.

But I digress,

[Jangles1]

You could have done this Natty in the same time frame, maybe extra 4 weeks, do about 18 weeks.

Id have liked to see you at 200 lbs. Cuzz I'm positive that was only extra fat getting you that weight.

Just cuzz you were a fat 200, doesn't m mean you were a 200pound muscle man, send that won't print your bodies muscle memory and such.

But I digress,

Agreed man. Def a lot of fat at 200lbs Prob 20 - 22% body fat.

I must be pushing close to 200lbs now. I started at 179 and was 189 2 weeks ago. Xmas holidays has maybe messed things up hence me not weighing myself till Monday coming. That way ive had 1 week of 4000 cals a day and 6 gym sessions.

18 weeks, hmmmm I dont personally think I could gave bulked up as much as have with pretty much no fat gain without AAS. we wont ever know and i'm not saving I am right, but the AAS most have help a fair chunk here.

[GearHeaded]

Can anyone give me a NONE biast opinion on how long this transformation would have taken if I did the exact same thing but removed the Test ?

this is really hard to tell. it depends on natty test levels as well. if you naturally have low T then it is much more difficult to put on size. If your natty T levels were 700+ range, then I think you could of put on 20 pounds in about 6-8 moths naturally. If your natty T levels were less then 300, then it may take a year or two just to gain 10.

When I was diagnosed with Low T and got that fixed and got my levels to 900-1200 (instead of the 160s it was), I put on about 30 pounds in 6 months. thats how important T levels are to growth. and that was all keepable muscle gains, as I have since that time added another 30-40+ pounds to that original 30 (all while still maintaining abs).. of course that additional 30-40 came through years and years of hard training, nutrition, dozens of steroid cycles, HGH, insulin etc.. but my point is having optimal Test levels can easily sustain you at a 30 pound or so heavier body weight in as little as 6 months .

get blood work done 8 weeks after PCT and make sure you've recovered good natty Test levels if you want to continue to grow

[Jangles1]

this is really hard to tell. it depends on natty test levels as well. if you naturally have low T then it is much more difficult to put on size. If your natty T levels were 700+ range, then I think you could of put on 20 pounds in about 6-8 moths naturally. If your natty T levels were less then 300, then it may take a year or two just to gain 10.

When I was diagnosed with Low T and got that fixed and got my levels to 900-1200 (instead of the 160s it was), I put on about 30 pounds in 6 months. thats how important T levels are to growth. and that was all keepable muscle gains, as I have since that time added another 30-40+ pounds to that original 30 (all while still maintaining abs).. of course that additional 30-40 came through years and years of hard training, nutrition, dozens of steroid cycles, HGH, insulin etc.. but my point is having optimal Test levels can easily sustain you at a 30 pound or so heavier body weight in as little as 6 months .

get blood work done 8 weeks after PCT and make sure you've recovered good natty Test levels if you want to continue to grow

Natty test was 400ish. Quite low.

I will 100 % be checking post PCT bloods as per the protocol in the stickies!

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Can anyone give me a NONE biast opinion on how long this transformation would have taken if I did the exact same thing but removed the Test ?

Impossible to answer for now.
You will not know how much you have gained from this cycle until at least 8 weeks after you end PCT.
Much of your gains are water weight from higher androgen and estrogen levels.
You will most likely lose half of your gains once you go back to normal hormone levels.

[Jangles1]

Impossible to answer for now.
You will not know how much you have gained from this cycle until at least 8 weeks after you end PCT.
Much of your gains are water weight from higher androgen and estrogen levels.
You will most likely lose half of your gains once you go back to normal hormone levels.

Half seems a little high man. I don't see why I would loose half my gains with my diet and training regime. Im not saying I am right, but half seems excessive.

I shall see you in 20ish weeks for an update on the true gains from this cycle, 8 weeks after my 6 week PCT.

BTW, If you're correct in your assumption, If I get to 30lbs gained from this cycle, which I am fully confident I will, then half is 15lbs, which aint bad fucking going. Science says you can only really gain 0,5lbs of muscle a week naturally, which is 6lbs in 12 weeks. So AAS Would have given me more than double the gains. And thats IF I loose half my gains!

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Half seems a little high man. I don't see why I would loose half my gains with my diet and training regime. Im not saying I am right, but half seems excessive.

I shall see you in 20ish weeks for an update on the true gains from this cycle, 8 weeks after my 6 week PCT.

BTW, If you're correct in your assumption, If I get to 30lbs gained from this cycle, which I am fully confident I will, then half is 15lbs, which aint bad fucking going. Science says you can only really gain 0,5lbs of muscle a week naturally, which is 6lbs in 12 weeks. So AAS Would have given me more than double the gains. And thats IF I loose half my gains!

you really are bone headed...

if you keep 15lbs it will not be 15lbs of muscle.
You will have gained some fat along the way...
AND...
you will easily gain 2-3 lbs of muscle that you lost from being on a diet before you started....
so....
15lb gain
minus 2lbs to muscle gained from going off diet....
minus 3lbs off from fat gained...
leaves you with about 10lbs of muscle gained...
which you could've probably gained half of that natty

so yes the steroids did help.
of course the steroids helped..
but maybe it helped you put on 5 extra pounds of muscle.

[Jangles1]

you really are bone headed...

if you keep 15lbs it will not be 15lbs of muscle.
You will have gained some fat along the way...
AND...
you will easily gain 2-3 lbs of muscle that you lost from being on a diet before you started....
so....
15lb gain
minus 2lbs to muscle gained from going off diet....
minus 3lbs off from fat gained...
leaves you with about 10lbs of muscle gained...
which you could've probably gained half of that natty

so yes the steroids did help.
of course the steroids helped..
but maybe it helped you put on 5 extra pounds of muscle.

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT.

NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains.

'How'd your cycle go? Put on 30, kept 25' .... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

[hollowedzeus]

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT. NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains. Put on 30, kept 25..... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

Whats the point in keeping 20lbs if its all fat? Of course all that matters is muscle kept...

[Jangles1]

Whats the point in keeping 20lbs if its all fat? Of course all that matters is muscle kept...

In principle I absolutely agree. But when you see a cycle report you see '20 gained, 12 kept' ect.. No one goes in and states exactly how much muscle and or fat was gained. Ideally you want it all to be muscle, clearly.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT.

NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains.

'How'd your cycle go? Put on 30, kept 25' .... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

listen....
I am trying to help you learn.

You disagree with with most everything that anyone says.
Whatever.
Keep damaging your HPTA doing what you should've done naturally.

[Jangles1]

listen....
I am trying to help you learn.

You disagree with with most everything that anyone says.
Whatever.
Keep damaging your HPTA doing what you should've done naturally.

You disagree with with most everything that anyone says.

I appreciate your learning and I disagree with silly comments such as ' you def wont keep ANY gains cause you did your cycle at 170 instead of 185'

Moronic. (I know that wasnt you btw)

I will stick up for what I believe. I have taken plenty of feedback on board throughout this process but I wont sit here and agree with stupid assumptions.

'Keep damaging your HPTA doing what you should've done naturally'

Anyone doing AAS damages their HPTA. If I got to 185/200 then jumped on, id damage it. Again, another argument flawed.

[songdog]

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT.

NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains.

'How'd your cycle go? Put on 30, kept 25' .... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

True character come on Jangles the guys here been pretty polite if you ask me it's more than being light in your case.You show no signs of ever training in your life and you wonder why guys are on you.Yes we heard your injury excuse but you would still have something and you don't.Now this isn't a slam on you for being skinny it's about you not telling the truth.And you are not the 1st guy too try this and I never seen it end well.Because if a guy wants something bad enough he will work for it and the guys here don't see it.You are dealing with guys all around the world who see guys like you in the gym thinking aas is their big ticket too getting big but as you found out it isn't it's HARD FUCKING WORK WITH NO SHORT CUTS! You the least you could do is show these guys some respect because they earned it the hard way through diet and hard training.

[Jangles1]

True character come on Jangles the guys here been pretty polite if you ask me it's more than being light in your case.You show no signs of ever training in your life and you wonder why guys are on you.Yes we heard your injury excuse but you would still have something and you don't.Now this isn't a slam on you for being skinny it's about you not telling the truth.And you are not the 1st guy too try this and I never seen it end well.Because if a guy wants something bad enough he will work for it and the guys here don't see it.You are dealing with guys all around the world who see guys like you in the gym thinking aas is their big ticket too getting big but as you found out it isn't it's HARD FUCKING WORK WITH NO SHORT CUTS! You the least you could do is show these guys some respect because they earned it the hard way through diet and hard training.

No training is just simply not true, at all. I have been training on and off (due to injury) since 2014. I have a great deal of knowledge when it comes to nutrition and training. I have just not been able to implement my knowledge to the fullest due to shit we have been over time and time again,

A lot of peoples feedback and opinions are severely altered due to the fact I started light on my cycle and admittedly didn't build the base I should have. People saying I wont keep any gains at all and all that shit just show me that their opinions are clearly affected by my starting point... I dont know why people are so butt hurt about this.

Ive done EVERYTHING right other than starting my cycle 3 - 6 months too early. Big deal.


I admit I fucked up starting light, but even after all the hate and negativity, im still here with this log. It would be cool for people to just say 'ok, yeah he knows he messed up, maybe il just get behind him and see what happens now'

I dont get the all the. negativity, still. It baffles me. Sure, have a negative yet constructive opinion, but dont start spouting silly uneducated shit like (for the 10th time in a few posts) 'you wont keep any gains from this cycle because you started at 170 and not 185)'

About to smash 150g of oats. With milk its a solid 800 cal meal

[Jangles1]

Food update

Todays diet


Breakfast

Milk
Oats
Honey

Milk
Cassien Why Protein

1191 cals

Lunch

Chicken
Olive Oil
Lemon (fresh)
Potatoes

1147 cals

Dinner

Rump Steak
Olive Oil
Cheery Tomatos
Avocado
Potatoes

1004 cals

Snacks

Organic Yogurt
Chocolate Milk
Almonds

327 cals


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4009 cals
268 P
381 C
149 F