First ever Test E only cycle

[Jangles1]

Impossible to answer for now.
You will not know how much you have gained from this cycle until at least 8 weeks after you end PCT.
Much of your gains are water weight from higher androgen and estrogen levels.
You will most likely lose half of your gains once you go back to normal hormone levels.

Half seems a little high man. I don't see why I would loose half my gains with my diet and training regime. Im not saying I am right, but half seems excessive.

I shall see you in 20ish weeks for an update on the true gains from this cycle, 8 weeks after my 6 week PCT.

BTW, If you're correct in your assumption, If I get to 30lbs gained from this cycle, which I am fully confident I will, then half is 15lbs, which aint bad fucking going. Science says you can only really gain 0,5lbs of muscle a week naturally, which is 6lbs in 12 weeks. So AAS Would have given me more than double the gains. And thats IF I loose half my gains!

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Half seems a little high man. I don't see why I would loose half my gains with my diet and training regime. Im not saying I am right, but half seems excessive.

I shall see you in 20ish weeks for an update on the true gains from this cycle, 8 weeks after my 6 week PCT.

BTW, If you're correct in your assumption, If I get to 30lbs gained from this cycle, which I am fully confident I will, then half is 15lbs, which aint bad fucking going. Science says you can only really gain 0,5lbs of muscle a week naturally, which is 6lbs in 12 weeks. So AAS Would have given me more than double the gains. And thats IF I loose half my gains!

you really are bone headed...

if you keep 15lbs it will not be 15lbs of muscle.
You will have gained some fat along the way...
AND...
you will easily gain 2-3 lbs of muscle that you lost from being on a diet before you started....
so....
15lb gain
minus 2lbs to muscle gained from going off diet....
minus 3lbs off from fat gained...
leaves you with about 10lbs of muscle gained...
which you could've probably gained half of that natty

so yes the steroids did help.
of course the steroids helped..
but maybe it helped you put on 5 extra pounds of muscle.

[Jangles1]

you really are bone headed...

if you keep 15lbs it will not be 15lbs of muscle.
You will have gained some fat along the way...
AND...
you will easily gain 2-3 lbs of muscle that you lost from being on a diet before you started....
so....
15lb gain
minus 2lbs to muscle gained from going off diet....
minus 3lbs off from fat gained...
leaves you with about 10lbs of muscle gained...
which you could've probably gained half of that natty

so yes the steroids did help.
of course the steroids helped..
but maybe it helped you put on 5 extra pounds of muscle.

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT.

NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains.

'How'd your cycle go? Put on 30, kept 25' .... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

[hollowedzeus]

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT. NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains. Put on 30, kept 25..... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

Whats the point in keeping 20lbs if its all fat? Of course all that matters is muscle kept...

[Jangles1]

Whats the point in keeping 20lbs if its all fat? Of course all that matters is muscle kept...

In principle I absolutely agree. But when you see a cycle report you see '20 gained, 12 kept' ect.. No one goes in and states exactly how much muscle and or fat was gained. Ideally you want it all to be muscle, clearly.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT.

NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains.

'How'd your cycle go? Put on 30, kept 25' .... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

listen....
I am trying to help you learn.

You disagree with with most everything that anyone says.
Whatever.
Keep damaging your HPTA doing what you should've done naturally.

[Jangles1]

listen....
I am trying to help you learn.

You disagree with with most everything that anyone says.
Whatever.
Keep damaging your HPTA doing what you should've done naturally.

You disagree with with most everything that anyone says.

I appreciate your learning and I disagree with silly comments such as ' you def wont keep ANY gains cause you did your cycle at 170 instead of 185'

Moronic. (I know that wasnt you btw)

I will stick up for what I believe. I have taken plenty of feedback on board throughout this process but I wont sit here and agree with stupid assumptions.

'Keep damaging your HPTA doing what you should've done naturally'

Anyone doing AAS damages their HPTA. If I got to 185/200 then jumped on, id damage it. Again, another argument flawed.

[songdog]

Personal insults just show your true character man

5lbs is 10 weeks in the gym. So il take that all day long. Wheter the 15lbs is not all muscle or not, everyone goes by HOW MUCH YOU KEPT.

NO one is going and dividing what they kept and telling exact muscle and fat gains.

'How'd your cycle go? Put on 30, kept 25' .... Thats how it goes... You seem to find issue with everything I say or do. Cracks me up.


Proving everyone wrong from day 1 and will continue to do so!

True character come on Jangles the guys here been pretty polite if you ask me it's more than being light in your case.You show no signs of ever training in your life and you wonder why guys are on you.Yes we heard your injury excuse but you would still have something and you don't.Now this isn't a slam on you for being skinny it's about you not telling the truth.And you are not the 1st guy too try this and I never seen it end well.Because if a guy wants something bad enough he will work for it and the guys here don't see it.You are dealing with guys all around the world who see guys like you in the gym thinking aas is their big ticket too getting big but as you found out it isn't it's HARD FUCKING WORK WITH NO SHORT CUTS! You the least you could do is show these guys some respect because they earned it the hard way through diet and hard training.

[Jangles1]

True character come on Jangles the guys here been pretty polite if you ask me it's more than being light in your case.You show no signs of ever training in your life and you wonder why guys are on you.Yes we heard your injury excuse but you would still have something and you don't.Now this isn't a slam on you for being skinny it's about you not telling the truth.And you are not the 1st guy too try this and I never seen it end well.Because if a guy wants something bad enough he will work for it and the guys here don't see it.You are dealing with guys all around the world who see guys like you in the gym thinking aas is their big ticket too getting big but as you found out it isn't it's HARD FUCKING WORK WITH NO SHORT CUTS! You the least you could do is show these guys some respect because they earned it the hard way through diet and hard training.

No training is just simply not true, at all. I have been training on and off (due to injury) since 2014. I have a great deal of knowledge when it comes to nutrition and training. I have just not been able to implement my knowledge to the fullest due to shit we have been over time and time again,

A lot of peoples feedback and opinions are severely altered due to the fact I started light on my cycle and admittedly didn't build the base I should have. People saying I wont keep any gains at all and all that shit just show me that their opinions are clearly affected by my starting point... I dont know why people are so butt hurt about this.

Ive done EVERYTHING right other than starting my cycle 3 - 6 months too early. Big deal.


I admit I fucked up starting light, but even after all the hate and negativity, im still here with this log. It would be cool for people to just say 'ok, yeah he knows he messed up, maybe il just get behind him and see what happens now'

I dont get the all the. negativity, still. It baffles me. Sure, have a negative yet constructive opinion, but dont start spouting silly uneducated shit like (for the 10th time in a few posts) 'you wont keep any gains from this cycle because you started at 170 and not 185)'

About to smash 150g of oats. With milk its a solid 800 cal meal

[songdog]

No training is just simply not true, at all. I have been training on and off (due to injury) since 2014. I have a great deal of knowledge when it comes to nutrition and training. I have just not been able to implement my knowledge to the fullest due to shit we have been over time and time again,

A lot of peoples feedback and opinions are severely altered due to the fact I started light on my cycle and admittedly didn't build the base I should have. People saying I wont keep any gains at all and all that shit just show me that their opinions are clearly affected by my starting point... I dont know why people are so butt hurt about this.

Ive done EVERYTHING right other than starting my cycle 3 - 6 months too early. Big deal.


I admit I fucked up starting light, but even after all the hate and negativity, im still here with this log. It would be cool for people to just say 'ok, yeah he knows he messed up, maybe il just get behind him and see what happens now'

I dont get the all the. negativity, still. It baffles me. Sure, have a negative yet constructive opinion, but dont start spouting silly uneducated shit like (for the 10th time in a few posts) 'you wont keep any gains from this cycle because you started at 170 and not 185)'

About to smash 150g of oats. With milk its a solid 800 cal meal

No Jangles not 3 to 6 months more like 3 to 6 years you don't build a solid foundation in a couple months this is just part of wat people been trying too tell you.

[Jangles1]

No Jangles not 3 to 6 months more like 3 to 6 years you don't build a solid foundation in a couple months this is just part of wat people been trying too tell you.

I take that on board, agree and admit I jumped in too early, but as you know now, I have my own reasons for this and I need not explain myself any longer to anyone.

If anyone has an issue, so be it. Have a pop at me. I’m use to it now