how do I work out when on Keto? all out?

[GearHeaded]

Well if you have a good bit of protien you will convert a portion via gluconeogenesis. I think supplementing with Creatine helps offset some of the strength loss. You don’t need as much glycogen for weight lifting if your phospocreatine Atp-adp can operate a bit longer so that the glycolyitic energy systems doesn’t have to kick on so fast. Also if your oxidative systems are Effiecient you won’t need as much glycogen to do the same or more work.

It’s all about metabolic condition lol.

true, but gluconeogenisis is metabolically inefficient (and very very cost $ inefficient ,, meaning protein is way more expensive then carbs just to use as glucose) ,, I know of some guys that are on keto and they just slam 40 grams of dextrose or some fast acting carb pre-workout and get some of the benefits of glucose, but they have such a high work load and intensity that they burn through it and get back into ketosis in a couple hours.

[MuscleScience]

true, but gluconeogenisis is metabolically inefficient (and very very cost $ inefficient ,, meaning protein is way more expensive then carbs just to use as glucose) ,, I know of some guys that are on keto and they just slam 40 grams of dextrose or some fast acting carb pre-workout and get some of the benefits of glucose, but they have such a high work load and intensity that they burn through it and get back into ketosis in a couple hours.

I can’t go much over 30grams or I get kicked out. Wish I could tolerate more.

[Gallowmere]

true, but gluconeogenisis is metabolically inefficient (and very very cost $ inefficient ,, meaning protein is way more expensive then carbs just to use as glucose) ,, I know of some guys that are on keto and they just slam 40 grams of dextrose or some fast acting carb pre-workout and get some of the benefits of glucose, but they have such a high work load and intensity that they burn through it and get back into ketosis in a couple hours.

What you’re talking about is referred to as TKD (targeted ketogenic diet). Even long time keto advocate (and something of a guru) Luis Villasenor (darthluiggi on ketogains) has stated several times that his gym performance is noticeably improved by such.

I played with it, and it helped to a degree, but I still found it to he suboptimal for me, in the end. The most effective way that I found was to use glucose tabs made for diabetics, about 30 minutes before lifting. However, those things get stupid expensive fast, when you’re chewing on 50g worth every day. Classic Spree on the other hand, is nearly pure dextrose and cheap as hell.