nandrolone

[hollywoodundead2016]

ok so i was wondering what a typical dose of nandrolone decanoate per week is when running it with 500 mg test cyp in my case? 400 seems a little high to me honestly. i know you have to run caber with it to combat the prolactin increase. im planning on hopping on deca at the beginning of the new year. right now im running test cyp 500 mg per week and taking quite a bit of the orals roughly one day per week. also is it true that deca has some of the same sides as tren such as lowering serotonin and thyroid? which ester do ya'll prefer? decanoate or phenylpropionate?

[MuscleScience]

400mg/week was always my sweet spot between great gains and no sides.

[Bio-Active]

Depends i do not get sides on Deca at any dose. I been doing this a while so i like a higher dose but 400 ew is the sweet spot for most

[Obs]

I agree on the 400

I hsve low dosed it at 150mg wk for therapeutic reasons with no real benefit other than anti inflammatory effects and joint relief.

Monitor estrogen and prolactin levels and you should have no issue

[GearHeaded]

400 seems a little high to me honestly. i know you have to run caber with it to combat the prolactin increase.

you don't have to run Caber with Deca unless your prolactin sensitive. some guys are, lots of guys are not. I personally can run a gram of Nandrolone for months without a DA like caber or prami.
also, instead of caber you can run Vitamin b6 to blunt prolactin and of course you can add in some Masteron which blocks Prolactin at the receptor (Mast is at least anabolic and going to provide plenty of synergy to your cycle, while Caber will not)

400mg is a good starting dose imo. I prefer to combine decanoate and phenylpropiane esters. start by running NPP and Deca together while the deca ester builds up, then cruise the rest of the cycle with just the Deca ester

[Charlie67]

you don't have to run Caber with Deca unless your prolactin sensitive. some guys are, lots of guys are not. I personally can run a gram of Nandrolone for months without a DA like caber or prami.
also, instead of caber you can run Vitamin b6 to blunt prolactin and of course you can add in some Masteron which blocks Prolactin at the receptor (Mast is at least anabolic and going to provide plenty of synergy to your cycle, while Caber will not)

400mg is a good starting dose imo. I prefer to combine decanoate and phenylpropiane esters. start by running NPP and Deca together while the deca ester builds up, then cruise the rest of the cycle with just the Deca ester

GH, how little Mast could you run to get those benefits? For example, you run 600 test and 400 Deca, with how little Mast could you take? 150? 100?

Just curious about prostate health because I'm old, and heavy amounts of Mast makes me pee all night

[HoldMyBeer]

GH, how little Mast could you run to get those benefits? For example, you run 600 test and 400 Deca, with how little Mast could you take? 150? 100?

Just curious about prostate health because I'm old, and heavy amounts of Mast makes me pee all night

On time I thought my gear was way underdosed, so I doubled everything (test and mast). Turns out it was only the test, and I was taking 600mg mast per week. I felt fucking great
-Adding no value to your question, but I am curious about the answer myself. The hairloss is what scares me about mast, so know how little can be run would be good to know

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[GearHeaded]

GH, how little Mast could you run to get those benefits? For example, you run 600 test and 400 Deca, with how little Mast could you take? 150? 100?

Just curious about prostate health because I'm old, and heavy amounts of Mast makes me pee all night

unfortunately I don't have an exact number . theres really no way in blood work etc. to know how much Mast it takes to blunt prolactin receptors. heck even if 300mg of Mast worked great at blunting prolactin receptors, thats still at the receptor site itself and this will not be seen on blood work (prolactin may even be elevated on blood work, but doesn't matter cause its simply not doing anything at the receptor ).
so all I can do is guess. and my guess is 250mg per week. I've also never personally or known anyone else to take Mast 'only' for the purpose of blunting prolactin. most guys generally want that benefit, but also want the androgenic and anabolic benefits as well and will run moderate to high dosages.

keep in mind that Masteron is DHT 'derived' and therefore is not dht itself nor can it convert to DHT.. so the prostate issues are not necessarily from masteron as a 'dht' , its possibly from the androgenic effects of the Mast or the effects that Mast has on lowering SHBG and thus raising free Test , and that more available free test is whats effecting the prostate (more test avail to convert to dht as well)

[charger69]

unfortunately I don't have an exact number . theres really no way in blood work etc. to know how much Mast it takes to blunt prolactin receptors. heck even if 300mg of Mast worked great at blunting prolactin receptors, thats still at the receptor site itself and this will not be seen on blood work (prolactin may even be elevated on blood work, but doesn't matter cause its simply not doing anything at the receptor ).
so all I can do is guess. and my guess is 250mg per week. I've also never personally or known anyone else to take Mast 'only' for the purpose of blunting prolactin. most guys generally want that benefit, but also want the androgenic and anabolic benefits as well and will run moderate to high dosages.

keep in mind that Masteron is DHT 'derived' and therefore is not dht itself nor can it convert to DHT.. so the prostate issues are not necessarily from masteron as a 'dht' , its possibly from the androgenic effects of the Mast or the effects that Mast has on lowering SHBG and thus raising free Test , and that more available free test is whats effecting the prostate (more test avail to convert to dht as well)

Mast makes me have to go to the bathroom but I can’t.. Cialis eliminates this.
Not a GH type explanation, but it works for me.


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[Octaneforce]

Mast makes me have to go to the bathroom but I can’t.. Cialis eliminates this.
Not a GH type explanation, but it works for me.


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Can finastride also help with the pee issue when using dht derived compounds? Luckily
I havent had any issues since im just a young punk, but i like to educate myself

[Charlie67]

unfortunately I don't have an exact number . theres really no way in blood work etc. to know how much Mast it takes to blunt prolactin receptors. heck even if 300mg of Mast worked great at blunting prolactin receptors, thats still at the receptor site itself and this will not be seen on blood work (prolactin may even be elevated on blood work, but doesn't matter cause its simply not doing anything at the receptor ).
so all I can do is guess. and my guess is 250mg per week. I've also never personally or known anyone else to take Mast 'only' for the purpose of blunting prolactin. most guys generally want that benefit, but also want the androgenic and anabolic benefits as well and will run moderate to high dosages.

keep in mind that Masteron is DHT 'derived' and therefore is not dht itself nor can it convert to DHT.. so the prostate issues are not necessarily from masteron as a 'dht' , its possibly from the androgenic effects of the Mast or the effects that Mast has on lowering SHBG and thus raising free Test , and that more available free test is whats effecting the prostate (more test avail to convert to dht as well)

Mostly I was asking because I just came off a 12 week Mast/Test cycle and was going to hope into maybe a Test/Deca/Dbol cycle after a 6-8 week break. So I was just curious about MAYBE adding a limited amount Mast to help buffer the Deca.

[GearHeaded]

Mostly I was asking because I just came off a 12 week Mast/Test cycle and was going to hope into maybe a Test/Deca/Dbol cycle after a 6-8 week break. So I was just curious about MAYBE adding a limited amount Mast to help buffer the Deca.

I recommend Mast for anyone running 19nors. doesn't matter wither its a bulk or a cut, it just helps make everything work better when running progestin based compounds.
I'm running Test, Deca/npp, Dbol, Mast , right now myself . I'm a big fan of Masteron and the synergistic benefits it provides.

[charger69]

you don't have to run Caber with Deca unless your prolactin sensitive. some guys are, lots of guys are not. I personally can run a gram of Nandrolone for months without a DA like caber or prami.
also, instead of caber you can run Vitamin b6 to blunt prolactin and of course you can add in some Masteron which blocks Prolactin at the receptor (Mast is at least anabolic and going to provide plenty of synergy to your cycle, while Caber will not)

400mg is a good starting dose imo. I prefer to combine decanoate and phenylpropiane esters. start by running NPP and Deca together while the deca ester builds up, then cruise the rest of the cycle with just the Deca ester

Why don’t you front load deca instead of using NPP? If you double your dose, your serum levels will be that of 5 weeks in one week.


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[GearHeaded]

Why don’t you front load deca instead of using NPP? If you double your dose, your serum levels will be that of 5 weeks in one week.

so you want me to run 2000mg of nandrolone from the start instead of the 900 I usually do ok, 2000mg it is !

well nandrolone is nandrolone once it gets into the blood stream. but I find that doubling up on my nandrolone dosage from the start by combining NPP and Deca together is simply faster and more effective then just front loading deca with deca by itself.
for starters, mg per mg the NPP is higher dosed. 350-400mg NPP is = to about 500mg deca. and apart from serum levels, NPP is going to more quickly bind to receptors at a fuller concentration then deca . so it makes sense for me to just combine NPP with Deca as a type of 'front load' rather then doubling up my deca dosage.

IF I ran longer 12-16 week traditional cycles, rather then phase cycling, then perhaps just running deca and just front loading with deca would make sense. but being my Nandrolone run might only be 6 weeks total, I need it to hit hard and fast,, so the NPP gets added in.

[GearHeaded]

in light of what I state above about DHT not being able to be anabolic in muscle tissue because of the enzyme 3-hydroxysteroid-dehydrogenase deactivating it..

I'd like to invent a 'steroid' ancillary (like an AI) which is able to bind to 3-hydroxysteroid-dehydrogenase and blunt/block its effects on DHT. just like an AI blocks the aromatase enzyme from converting test into estrogen..
just think about all that DHT floating around our blood stream. it would then be available to bind to muscle tissue and be anabolic , WITHOUT the need of having to run any other exogenous hormone/androgen. heck we produce enough dht naturally that such a drug would have substantial benefit I'd imagine

[charger69]

in light of what I state above about DHT not being able to be anabolic in muscle tissue because of the enzyme 3-hydroxysteroid-dehydrogenase deactivating it..

I'd like to invent a 'steroid' ancillary (like an AI) which is able to bind to 3-hydroxysteroid-dehydrogenase and blunt/block its effects on DHT. just like an AI blocks the aromatase enzyme from converting test into estrogen..
just think about all that DHT floating around our blood stream. it would then be available to bind to muscle tissue and be anabolic , WITHOUT the need of having to run any other exogenous hormone/androgen. heck we produce enough dht naturally that such a drug would have substantial benefit I'd imagine

So when will it be available?? LOL


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[GearHeaded]

So when will it be available?? LOL

I'll bet it already exists. its just being used in some obscure way in medicine thats totally different then what we would want to use it for in bodybuilding. just like PGF2, which is a decent site enhancement drug for bodybuilding, yet in veterinary medicine its used to induce labor in cattle .
its out there, we just gotta find it and experiment guys. who's volunteering for the first injection experiments ?

[Obs]

I'll bet it already exists. its just being used in some obscure way in medicine thats totally different then what we would want to use it for in bodybuilding. just like PGF2, which is a decent site enhancement drug for bodybuilding, yet in veterinary medicine its used to induce labor in cattle .
its out there, we just gotta find it and experiment guys. who's volunteering for the first injection experiments ?

Beam me up scotty

[charger69]

Beam me up scotty

Why doesn’t this surprise me????


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[Obs]

I'll bet it already exists. its just being used in some obscure way in medicine thats totally different then what we would want to use it for in bodybuilding. just like PGF2, which is a decent site enhancement drug for bodybuilding, yet in veterinary medicine its used to induce labor in cattle .
its out there, we just gotta find it and experiment guys. who's volunteering for the first injection experiments ?

Send it. I shoot

[Ashop]

ok so i was wondering what a typical dose of nandrolone decanoate per week is when running it with 500 mg test cyp in my case? 400 seems a little high to me honestly. i know you have to run caber with it to combat the prolactin increase. im planning on hopping on deca at the beginning of the new year. right now im running test cyp 500 mg per week and taking quite a bit of the orals roughly one day per week. also is it true that deca has some of the same sides as tren such as lowering serotonin and thyroid? which ester do ya'll prefer? decanoate or phenylpropionate?

The old rule of thumb that worked very well was 2mg per pound of bodyweight (200lbs=400mg wk)