Anadrol - public service anouncement

[GearHeaded]

I know this thread is about A bombs, but I was wondering about the AAS Tbol, It is a derivative of Dianabol (dbol), but it does not aromatize into estrogen. So I'm thinking I wouldn't need an AI, but would I need something like Nolva? Thanks guys.

you don't need an AI with Tbol . in fact you don't need an AI with most all steroids (as only a few steroids aromatize into estrogen, 90% of them don't). AI's are over rated, over used, and not necessary except in some situations (like situations where estrogen sensitive guys continue to run test only cycles despite knowing they don't tolerate test very well).

and no you wouldn't need Nolva with Tbol either (it doesn't aromatize, it doesn't act on progestin or estrogen receptors either)

[GearHeaded]

and no you wouldn't need Nolva with Tbol either (it doesn't aromatize, it doesn't act on progestin or estrogen receptors either)

note: the reason I bring up a drug not needing a serm like nolva because said drug doesn't act on progestin receptors is because activation of progestin receptors will illicit estrogenic side effects (despite not aromatizing into estrogen).

take Deca for example .. lots of guys think that Deca aromatizes into estrogen. this is NOT true. Deca does not aromatize**. it has some estrgeonic capacity though because its a Progestin derived drug and will interact with progestin in the body and that has downstream effects that cause estrogenic activity .
So all you guys that like to blast high dose deca, and run an AI with it thinking that your keeping the estrogen effects from deca at bay, your fooling yourself with your AI. the estrogenic effects from deca don't come from Aromatization.

of course this is person dependent. guys that are not progestin sensitive will not have any estrogenic effects from deca. this is why deca can be considered a 'non estrogenic' drug (but is a progestin)

**in some people deca may aromatize but its to such a small and limited capacity that its still fair to say its not an aromatizing compound (and has wrongly been labeled as an aromatizing drug by many a online steroid profile)

[Couchlockd]

note: the reason I bring up a drug not needing a serm like nolva because said drug doesn't act on progestin receptors is because activation of progestin receptors will illicit estrogenic side effects (despite not aromatizing into estrogen).

take Deca for example .. lots of guys think that Deca aromatizes into estrogen. this is NOT true. Deca does not aromatize**. it has some estrgeonic capacity though because its a Progestin derived drug and will interact with progestin in the body and that has downstream effects that cause estrogenic activity .
So all you guys that like to blast high dose deca, and run an AI with it thinking that your keeping the estrogen effects from deca at bay, your fooling yourself with your AI. the estrogenic effects from deca don't come from Aromatization.

of course this is person dependent. guys that are not progestin sensitive will not have any estrogenic effects from deca. this is why deca can be considered a 'non estrogenic' drug (but is a progestin)

**in some people deca may aromatize but its to such a small and limited capacity that its still fair to say its not an aromatizing compound (and has wrongly been labeled as an aromatizing drug by many a online steroid profile)

So if something is triggered downstream it's not going to be around matized from any other hormones and aromatase inhibitor will fail at blocking it?

So it's only good for if something is converting from something to estrogen through aromatase activity?

so the Dowbstream effects cannot be mitigated whatsoever with aromatase inhibitor, only blocked with serms ?

[GearHeaded]

So if something is triggered downstream it's not going to be around matized from any other hormones and aromatase inhibitor will fail at blocking it?

So it's only good for if something is converting from something to estrogen through aromatase activity?

so the Dowbstream effects cannot be mitigated whatsoever with aromatase inhibitor, only blocked with serms ?

yeah so an AI is only going to block actual aromatization . if a drug doesn't aromatize to begin with then an AI doesn't do a thing. however, estrogen receptors and estrogenic activity are NOT dependent on aromatization. it can be activated by anything that binds to estgeon receptors and illicits such activity... like anadrol for example. it does not aromatize into estrogen. however it, all by itself apart from aromatization, can bind to estrogen receptors and illicit estrogenic activity.
also, just like a SERM like Nolva.. Nolva does not need to aromatize into estrogen in order to bind to estrogen receptors. it bypasses that whole process and binds to estrogen receptors as estrogen.
also, same with drugs like Tren and Deca. they can interact with progesterone receptors AS actual progesterone (the progestin receptors don't know that its tren that bound to it and not actual progesterone). and then through progestin activity we have the downstream effect of estrogenic activity or side effects . . and again, there is no aromatization involved in this at all. so an AI is completely irrelevant in these cases.

an AI in these cases is like having a really secure dead bolt on your front door to keep thieves from robbing you of your hard earned money ,, when in fact your money you make never enters your house, its direct deposited from your work right into your bank account online. the dead bolt on the front door doesn't do shit... you need to have a bank with good cyber security and all that tech shit.


so the only time an AI would be beneficial in these type of cases is simply to keep from adding fuel to the fire.. so lets say your running test, Deca and Anadrol and your getting some estrogenic side effects. well because of the Test being aromatized your adding more estrogen on top of the problem.. so you either need to drop the test out, or run an AI to keep from adding more fuel to the fire.

[Couchlockd]

yeah so an AI is only going to block actual aromatization . if a drug doesn't aromatize to begin with then an AI doesn't do a thing. however, estrogen receptors and estrogenic activity are NOT dependent on aromatization. it can be activated by anything that binds to estgeon receptors and illicits such activity... like anadrol for example. it does not aromatize into estrogen. however it, all by itself apart from aromatization, can bind to estrogen receptors and illicit estrogenic activity.
also, just like a SERM like Nolva.. Nolva does not need to aromatize into estrogen in order to bind to estrogen receptors. it bypasses that whole process and binds to estrogen receptors as estrogen.
also, same with drugs like Tren and Deca. they can interact with progesterone receptors AS actual progesterone (the progestin receptors don't know that its tren that bound to it and not actual progesterone). and then through progestin activity we have the downstream effect of estrogenic activity or side effects . . and again, there is no aromatization involved in this at all. so an AI is completely irrelevant in these cases.

an AI in these cases is like having a really secure dead bolt on your front door to keep thieves from robbing you of your hard earned money ,, when in fact your money you make never enters your house, its direct deposited from your work right into your bank account online. the dead bolt on the front door doesn't do shit... you need to have a bank with good cyber security and all that tech shit.


so the only time an AI would be beneficial in these type of cases is simply to keep from adding fuel to the fire.. so lets say your running test, Deca and Anadrol and your getting some estrogenic side effects. well because of the Test being aromatized your adding more estrogen on top of the problem.. so you either need to drop the test out, or run an AI to keep from adding more fuel to the fire.

What exactly causes estrogenic activity down stream after interaction with progestin receptors?

[GearHeaded]

What exactly causes estrogenic activity down stream after interaction with progestin receptors?

without going into all the details on that (its fairly complex), I'll just sum that up by saying that there is a strong connection between progesterone and estrogen (which you probably already know) .. and that when progestin receptors are activated , its essentially the same thing as having elevated progesterone and your going to be a lot more sensitive and susceptible to estrogen effects .

example .. if high normal levels of estrogen normally cause you no problems at all , when your progesterone is elevated or progestin receptors activated suddenly those same levels of estrogen become problematic.
like guys that run Tren (which doesn't convert to estrogen) and end up with gyno symptoms . its not because their estrogen elevated at all, its just simply because of the progestin activity (from the tren) that they then became super sensitive to estrogen , or another way of saying it is that the progestin activity turned their estrogen into "super estrogen" .

^. fyi - thats a very very rough and incomplete way of saying this or describing the relationship .. but hopefully a main point got across

[Couchlockd]

without going into all the details on that (its fairly complex), I'll just sum that up by saying that there is a strong connection between progesterone and estrogen (which you probably already know) .. and that when progestin receptors are activated , its essentially the same thing as having elevated progesterone and your going to be a lot more sensitive and susceptible to estrogen effects .

example .. if high normal levels of estrogen normally cause you no problems at all , when your progesterone is elevated or progestin receptors activated suddenly those same levels of estrogen become problematic.
like guys that run Tren (which doesn't convert to estrogen) and end up with gyno symptoms . its not because their estrogen elevated at all, its just simply because of the progestin activity (from the tren) that they then became super sensitive to estrogen , or another way of saying it is that the progestin activity turned their estrogen into "super estrogen" .

^. fyi - thats a very very rough and incomplete way of saying this or describing the relationship .. but hopefully a main point got across

Yes , for lack of a better explanation, progestin "amplifies" estrogen effects.

Like a synergy that makes the estrogen more "potent". Like let's say 25ng estrogen level in the presence of significant progestin, the 25ng estrogen will behave like 50 or 75ng. Basically progestin potentiates estrogen?

Very good explanation GH. I was looking for the short version.

By chance, any link to the details of said interaction?

[GearHeaded]

note: having said all this . most you guys know that I'm an advocate for high levels of ESTROGEN when on cycle (estrogen being an anabolic hormone with tons of benefits). so in some of the above examples these estrogen issues I speak about may actually be beneficial and be a good thing (especially if your after growth). but there are some situations where we need to limit estrogenic activity . so thats the context I'm speaking about here in regards to AI's and SERMS and limiting estrogen (for a lot of cycles for lots of people , its the exact opposite and we are trying to raise estrogen levels and get some estrogenic activity going)

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you don't need an AI with Tbol . in fact you don't need an AI with most all steroids (as only a few steroids aromatize into estrogen, 90% of them don't). AI's are over rated, over used, and not necessary except in some situations (like situations where estrogen sensitive guys continue to run test only cycles despite knowing they don't tolerate test very well).

and no you wouldn't need Nolva with Tbol either (it doesn't aromatize, it doesn't act on progestin or estrogen receptors either)

Thanks gear headed! You're a wealth of information. One last thing on Tbol while I've got your attention, what can someone expect to get in size gains on Tbol compared to Adrol?

[GearHeaded]

Thanks gear headed! You're a wealth of information. One last thing on Tbol while I've got your attention, what can someone expect to get in size gains on Tbol compared to Adrol?

Tbol is not super water and nutrient retentive like Anadrol is. its good at shuttling glucose into muscle cells, which will bring with it some amount of water into the muscle, thus a little bit more weight and size.. but anadrol will partition pretty much everything into muscle cells as well as volumize your blood . so your going to gain much more weight and size with Adrol.. Tbol will give you more the slow steady tissue growth like most pure anabolics do (which takes time for proteins to be constructed)

[5millionbucks]

Tbol is not super water and nutrient retentive like Anadrol is. its good at shuttling glucose into muscle cells, which will bring with it some amount of water into the muscle, thus a little bit more weight and size.. but anadrol will partition pretty much everything into muscle cells as well as volumize your blood . so your going to gain much more weight and size with Adrol.. Tbol will give you more the slow steady tissue growth like most pure anabolics do (which takes time for proteins to be constructed)

with anadrol; I hear most of the gains are just water moreso than dbol; in fact I hear people say dbol gains are more keepable. What do you say about that? Im hearing people while running test take anadrol for like 4 weeks; but 2 weeks after all the gains(strength and size) they made just disappear; I thought the whole point of taking anabolics was to put on muscle tissue whether its dbol, winstrol, var, tren, etc.; is anadrol mainly used for cosmetic purposes only? I did hear of someone do an anadrol cycle(under genetic limit though) gain like 30lbs or so and kept 20lbs months after their anadrol only cycle.

[DeeCee112]

with anadrol; I hear most of the gains are just water moreso than dbol; in fact I hear people say dbol gains are more keepable. What do you say about that? Im hearing people while running test take anadrol for like 4 weeks; but 2 weeks after all the gains(strength and size) they made just disappear; I thought the whole point of taking anabolics was to put on muscle tissue whether its dbol, winstrol, var, tren, etc.; is anadrol mainly used for cosmetic purposes only? I did hear of someone do an anadrol cycle(under genetic limit though) gain like 30lbs or so and kept 20lbs months after their anadrol only cycle.

I'll take a swing at this:
Dbol and Android will dramatically increase water retention, nutrient absorption, nitrogen, protein synthesis ect and strength no matter what you do. What you do while those enhancements are in effect will determine what you retain after stopping the drug. IE you will lose size and strength when the water retention fades but if you took advantage of those increased values via nutrition, sleep and training and proper PCT protocol to prevent catabolic losses you will come out that much better than before.

I think everyone has seen the guys in their early 20s at the gym grab dbol or anadrol, get jacked in a couple of months, buy all new clothes, get new attitude then a couple months later be back in their old clothes and then blame the compound.

[Obs]

I'll take a swing at this:
Dbol and Android will dramatically increase water retention, nutrient absorption, nitrogen, protein synthesis ect and strength no matter what you do. What you do while those enhancements are in effect will determine what you retain after stopping the drug. IE you will lose size and strength when the water retention fades but if you took advantage of those increased values via nutrition, sleep and training and proper PCT protocol to prevent catabolic losses you will come out that much better than before.

I think everyone has seen the guys in their early 20s at the gym grab dbol or anadrol, get jacked in a couple of months, buy all new clothes, get new attitude then a couple months later be back in their old clothes and then blame the compound.

This is why it is importand to never stop taking drugs.

[charger69]

This is why it is importand to never stop taking drugs.

LMAO


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[Family_guy]

This is why it is importand to never stop taking drugs.

I think Obs summed this up better than GH. Lol

[kelkel]

I think everyone has seen the guys in their early 20s at the gym grab dbol or anadrol, get jacked in a couple of months, buy all new clothes, get new attitude then a couple months later be back in their old clothes and then blame the compound.

If they even show up at the gym after that....

[5millionbucks]

I'll take a swing at this:
Dbol and Android will dramatically increase water retention, nutrient absorption, nitrogen, protein synthesis ect and strength no matter what you do. What you do while those enhancements are in effect will determine what you retain after stopping the drug. IE you will lose size and strength when the water retention fades but if you took advantage of those increased values via nutrition, sleep and training and proper PCT protocol to prevent catabolic losses you will come out that much better than before.

I think everyone has seen the guys in their early 20s at the gym grab dbol or anadrol, get jacked in a couple of months, buy all new clothes, get new attitude then a couple months later be back in their old clothes and then blame the compound.

yeah but what about the guys who run test with anadrol; after coming off the anadrol as a kickstart they lose most of the water and strength that comes from it?