Continual Growth - Advanced AAS protocols

[GearHeaded]

I've had experience with this stuff for almost 2 years now and am willing to try phase cycling. Is there a phase cycling protocol that a beginner can try?

depends on your goals.. but heres a very basic example of phase cycling for a bulk

Phase 1 - Estrogen phase (Retention phase -- goal here is to purposely retain water and increase blood volume)
Weeks 1-5
Test 750mg
Deca 500mg
Dbol 50mg per day
NO AI

Phase 2 - Anabolic phase (goal here is just tissue building, nothing more).. estrogen and androgens are on the low side.
Weeks 6-10
Test 250mg
Deca 500mg
EQ 600mg
Var 50mg per day

Phase 3 - Androgen phase (goal here is to use androgens to fill out muscle and new tissue being built)
weeks 11-15
Test 250mg
EQ 600mg
Tren 350mg
Masteron 600mg


Phase 4 - cruise and maintain (off all androgens to resensitize and reset health markers)
weeks 16-21
Test 125mg
Primo 300mg
HGH 4iu per day
Insulin 20iu per day
T4 75mcg per day
Clen 40mcg per day


^ thats just a basic example .. things can be switched around. for example, sometimes for a dramatic growth phase I will combine an estrogen phase with an androgen phase. the combo of high androgens and high estrogens can put size on fairly quickly (whereas the above phase cycle is more of a slow steady approach).
sometimes at the end, person dependent, we may have an anti estrogen phase, or an anti cortisol phase (or a combo of both).

really goal and person dependent for setting up the phases and the compounds to be rotated in.. you also have to keep in mind the synergy between compounds and the distinct nature of each individual compound and what it does.. example, it would be silly to put Masteron into a stack with your estrogen or retention phase, because mast works as both an anti estrogen and anti retentive compound.

[Slacker78]

depends on your goals.. but heres a very basic example of phase cycling for a bulk

Phase 1 - Estrogen phase (Retention phase -- goal here is to purposely retain water and increase blood volume)
Weeks 1-5
Test 750mg
Deca 500mg
Dbol 50mg per day
NO AI

Phase 2 - Anabolic phase (goal here is just tissue building, nothing more).. estrogen and androgens are on the low side.
Weeks 6-10
Test 250mg
Deca 500mg
EQ 600mg
Var 50mg per day

Phase 3 - Androgen phase (goal here is to use androgens to fill out muscle and new tissue being built)
weeks 11-15
Test 250mg
EQ 600mg
Tren 350mg
Masteron 600mg


Phase 4 - cruise and maintain (off all androgens to resensitize and reset health markers)
weeks 16-21
Test 125mg
Primo 300mg
HGH 4iu per day
Insulin 20iu per day
T4 75mcg per day
Clen 40mcg per day


^ thats just a basic example .. things can be switched around. for example, sometimes for a dramatic growth phase I will combine an estrogen phase with an androgen phase. the combo of high androgens and high estrogens can put size on fairly quickly (whereas the above phase cycle is more of a slow steady approach).
sometimes at the end, person dependent, we may have an anti estrogen phase, or an anti cortisol phase (or a combo of both).

really goal and person dependent for setting up the phases and the compounds to be rotated in.. you also have to keep in mind the synergy between compounds and the distinct nature of each individual compound and what it does.. example, it would be silly to put Masteron into a stack with your estrogen or retention phase, because mast works as both an anti estrogen and anti retentive compound.

GH, in the first phase ( i tried something of similar ) which is oriented to load estrogens to build a strong anabolic environment, i've noticed my abdominal disappear at all and there's an increasing of abdominal fat in low belly side and the hips; i do not seem a body-builder neither in this phase; yes, i'm full, but very opaque and full of water everywhere; is this a condition should i ( and everyone ) accept to build gains ?

[GearHeaded]

GH, in the first phase ( i tried something of similar ) which is oriented to load estrogens to build a strong anabolic environment, i've noticed my abdominal disappear at all and there's an increasing of abdominal fat in low belly side and the hips; i do not seem a body-builder neither in this phase; yes, i'm full, but very opaque and full of water everywhere; is this a condition should i ( and everyone ) accept to build gains ?

ok so water retention is going to be beneficial for growth and putting on size.. see my thread here-
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...pensation.html

BUT if your spilling over too much in an estrogen phase, like sounds like happened to you here, then one solution is to increase your androgen load. The androgen will help 'balance' out some of that water retention yet still allow your blood serum levels of estrogen to be elevated.
so lets say your running 300mg of Ment per week for your estrogen base but your spilling over, you can add in like 400mg of Mast or 10mg a day of Halo to provide more androgen load to the cycle.
the other thing you can do is run low dose Nolva. this will blunt some of the estrogenic fat accumulation and spill over while still allowing for elevated serum levels of E

[Slacker78]

ok so water retention is going to be beneficial for growth and putting on size.. see my thread here-
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...pensation.html

BUT if your spilling over too much in an estrogen phase, like sounds like happened to you here, then one solution is to increase your androgen load. The androgen will help 'balance' out some of that water retention yet still allow your blood serum levels of estrogen to be elevated.
so lets say your running 300mg of Ment per week for your estrogen base but your spilling over, you can add in like 400mg of Mast or 10mg a day of Halo to provide more androgen load to the cycle.
the other thing you can do is run low dose Nolva. this will blunt some of the estrogenic fat accumulation and spill over while still allowing for elevated serum levels of E

Ok, very clearly. But Nolva ( tamoxifene ), has affinity with abdominal/hips estrogens receptors too ? It's often known tamoxifene holds major affinity with breast estrogens receptors...

[DuckTheViking]

depends on your goals.. but heres a very basic example of phase cycling for a bulk

Phase 1 - Estrogen phase (Retention phase -- goal here is to purposely retain water and increase blood volume)
Weeks 1-5
Test 750mg
Deca 500mg
Dbol 50mg per day
NO AI

Phase 2 - Anabolic phase (goal here is just tissue building, nothing more).. estrogen and androgens are on the low side.
Weeks 6-10
Test 250mg
Deca 500mg
EQ 600mg
Var 50mg per day

Phase 3 - Androgen phase (goal here is to use androgens to fill out muscle and new tissue being built)
weeks 11-15
Test 250mg
EQ 600mg
Tren 350mg
Masteron 600mg


Phase 4 - cruise and maintain (off all androgens to resensitize and reset health markers)
weeks 16-21
Test 125mg
Primo 300mg
HGH 4iu per day
Insulin 20iu per day
T4 75mcg per day
Clen 40mcg per day


^ thats just a basic example .. things can be switched around. for example, sometimes for a dramatic growth phase I will combine an estrogen phase with an androgen phase. the combo of high androgens and high estrogens can put size on fairly quickly (whereas the above phase cycle is more of a slow steady approach).
sometimes at the end, person dependent, we may have an anti estrogen phase, or an anti cortisol phase (or a combo of both).

really goal and person dependent for setting up the phases and the compounds to be rotated in.. you also have to keep in mind the synergy between compounds and the distinct nature of each individual compound and what it does.. example, it would be silly to put Masteron into a stack with your estrogen or retention phase, because mast works as both an anti estrogen and anti retentive compound.

Very interesting protocol. Given that you're using eq and deca, are the other main compounds (test, tren, mast etc) also long esters?

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[GearHeaded]

Very interesting protocol. Given that you're using eq and deca, are the other main compounds (test, tren, mast etc) also long esters?

no not necessarily at all . the idea of having to stack long esters with other long esters is total BS imo.. the fact is, especially with phase cycling and compound rotation protocols, its actually best to use short esters and long esters together (as well as orals when needed)

[bwandrade]

I've read pretty much every single theard that you started and couldn't find the "advanced PCT cycle protocols", will you still write it? If not, can you just send me a PM (or something like that) with some hints of how to adapt this one to the PCT "version"?

[GearHeaded]

I've read pretty much every single theard that you started and couldn't find the "advanced PCT cycle protocols", will you still do write? If not, can you just send me a PM (or something like that) with some hints of how to adapt this one to the PCT "version"?

great observation and question .

my views on PCT have changed somewhat. I personally think if bodybuilding is an important focus then PCT should be avoided or only done 1-2 times per year (not after every cycle).

so I probably never got around to writing up PCT cycles protocols because I'm not a fan or advocate of doing PCT after cycles.. however in another post which I'll just do on here , I will state what my recommendations are for guys that do want to still do PCT

[bwandrade]

Edit: Sorry, didn't saw the last reply.

[Chrisp83TRT]

great observation and question .

my views on PCT have changed somewhat. I personally think if bodybuilding is an important focus then PCT should be avoided or only done 1-2 times per year (not after every cycle).

so I probably never got around to writing up PCT cycles protocols because I'm not a fan or advocate of doing PCT after cycles.. however in another post which I'll just do on here , I will state what my recommendations are for guys that do want to still do PCT

What's a PCT ?

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[i_SLAM_cougars]

What's a PCT ?

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Its some trendy thing kids do when they want to lose all their gains

[GearHeaded]

the most ideal for the most gains is just being on TRT or blasting and cruising..

if you want to maintain fertility and natty production (which can still be done blasting and cruising) then I recommend only running 1-2 PCTs per year. and not a PCT after every single cycle that you do.

so for example ,, blast for 8 weeks, cruise for 4 weeks, blast for 12 weeks cruise for 6 weeks, etc.. then take a break for 3 months out of the year and run an aggressive PCT

you could also follow the advanced protocols lay out I put up at the beginning of this thread , you can run that for say 3 repeat cycles , then simply plug in a PCT phase at the end of the anti estrogen anti cortisol phase one to two times per year