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[GearHeaded]

5-10 lbs of lean muscle is not a reasonable expectation for a 12 week cycle. I have hear pros say the most they have ever gained in a year was 12-15lbs, most I've ever heard of was 17 that I believed (but that's still less than 5lbs in 12 weeks)

Jordan Peters went from a 127 pound skinny college rugby player, to a 300+ pound pro bodybuilder (and he's still in his 20s I believe and not quite done with school). to put on that much muscle in that short of time, he had to have years where he made substantial gains.

Dave Palumbo also went from a 140 pound distance runner to a 320 pound bodybuilder.. during that time I think he said one year he had put on about 40 pounds.

Stan Efferding, another example of a scrawny 120 pound guy in college, to a 300 pound bodybuilder and power lifter


none of these guys would of gotten to that size that quickly without having years with massive gains much more then 12 pounds in a year


but yeah I think its based on your levels of training and where your at .. if your already advanced, like say Mike Ohearn, your gonna be lucky to even get 2 pounds in a year , but if your a total beginner , 20 pounds is very doable

[HoldMyBeer]

Jordan Peters went from a 127 pound skinny college rugby player, to a 300+ pound pro bodybuilder (and he's still in his 20s I believe and not quite done with school). to put on that much muscle in that short of time, he had to have years where he made substantial gains.

Dave Palumbo also went from a 140 pound distance runner to a 320 pound bodybuilder.. during that time I think he said one year he had put on about 40 pounds.

Stan Efferding, another example of a scrawny 120 pound guy in college, to a 300 pound bodybuilder and power lifter


none of these guys would of gotten to that size that quickly without having years with massive gains much more then 12 pounds in a year


but yeah I think its based on your levels of training and where your at .. if your already advanced, like say Mike Ohearn, your gonna be lucky to even get 2 pounds in a year , but if your a total beginner , 20 pounds is very doable

Good point. How about those who are not the 1%?
What's the average your clients gain in lean muscle on their first cycle? I ask because I'm thinking maybe people usually do a poor job (including me) on their first cycles so I've never seen real results?

[GearHeaded]

Good point. How about those who are not the 1%?
What's the average your clients gain in lean muscle on their first cycle? 5-10lbs is a lot in less than 3 months...

heres a first cycle example .. about 20+ pounds gained here in about 5 months with just trt dose of test


a member here, Jayd, who is an advanced lifter and came to me with an already quality physique,, in about 7 months time he went from 185 to about 215 pounds and maintained a 6 pack the whole time (we used insulin and growth hormone for the first time, as well as phase cycling and compound rotation)

balance, who I gave the free coaching give away to last Christmas, worked with me for 3 months,, but then implemented a lot of things he learned in that process has went from like 195 to 215 and super lean in like 8 months time. and again, he came in as an already advanced lifter on TRT , not newb gains

another example, 100% natty.. a 25 year old kid at my gym hired me when he joined the gym. he had zero lifting experience and did not know how to eat. I got him on a solid diet and kicked his ass in the gym and he put on about 25 pounds in a few months. he could barely dead lift 135 pounds when we started and he was quickly pulling 315.
but thats newbie gains and should be expected ..


but either way, even with more advanced people. when things get optimized , big gains are highly possible