Lowering Cholesterol Without Statins

[IronLiver]

Just do not let your wife suck you into the netflix shows about food. Nothing is safe to eat anymore other than vegetables that you grow yourself.

That's why it's important to go out to cattle and dairy farms and see what the animals are fed. I live near a couple dairy farms where the cows just roarm around on the grass all day in big fields. The old lady there makes the best butter for $1 a lb. I was thinking of reselling this stuff for $10 a lb because it's so good. Fresh caught fish is safe to eat as well. I do not promote eating vegetables and see nothing in vegetables that can't be obtained from eating animal meats, organs, dairy, and eggs. Feed the vegetables to the animals and eat the animals.

[JohnnyBreeze]

I do not promote eating vegetables and see nothing in vegetables that can't be obtained from eating animal meats, organs, dairy, and eggs. Feed the vegetables to the animals and eat the animals.

Well, there's fiber for one. With no fiber at all, you're basically asking for colon cancer at an earlier age, plus lots of red meat has been shown over and over again to promote colon cancer and heart disease, so that's a double whammy. Then there's polyphenols such as lignans that help protect against heard disease and diabetes.. There's beta-glucan which is a type of fiber so I guess I already mentioned that. Anthocyanins, which are the pigments in bright colored vegetables and fruits. Flavanoids that reduce again heart disease and colon cancer. And there's quite a few other beneficial chemicals found in vegetables that meat and dairy do not have that I can't remember off hand. I'm not saying that eating a strictly plant based diet is for everyone because there are some things that meat and dairy have that vegetables don't, but saying that there's nothing in vegetables that can't be obtained from eating meat and dairy is completely false. Eating no vegetables in lieu of a completely meat and dairy based diet is dangerous, much more dangerous than the opposite of eating a pure plant based diet.

[IronLiver]

Well, there's fiber for one. With no fiber at all, you're basically asking for colon cancer at an earlier age, plus lots of red meat has been shown over and over again to promote colon cancer and heart disease, so that's a double whammy. Then there's polyphenols such as lignans that help protect against heard disease and diabetes.. There's beta-glucan which is a type of fiber so I guess I already mentioned that. Anthocyanins, which are the pigments in bright colored vegetables and fruits. Flavanoids that reduce again heart disease and colon cancer. And there's quite a few other beneficial chemicals found in vegetables that meat and dairy do not have that I can't remember off hand. I'm not saying that eating a strictly plant based diet is for everyone because there are some things that meat and dairy have that vegetables don't, but saying that there's nothing in vegetables that can't be obtained from eating meat and dairy is completely false. Eating no vegetables in lieu of a completely meat and dairy based diet is dangerous, much more dangerous than the opposite of eating a pure plant based diet.

There is absolutley zero benefit to eating fiber, it is simply indigestable plant material. Cooked fiber robs the blood and intestines of available fats and causes dryness, irritability and usually lethargy. You can read all fancy studies but when you look at indeginous cultures that eat diets of only meat and dairy without any fiber, they don't get cancer and live long happy lives.

I don't quite understand, you're saying to avoid the fat in meats because animal fats can be toxic if the animals are fed a poor diet, but butter, milk, and cheese all have those same animal fats in them. Butter and cheese are almost pure animal fats from the same source you're saying to avoid, and most toxins are transferred to the milk of any mammal. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just don't understand the suggestion.

The toxins are stored in the fat of an animal, they are not transferred into the milk which would harm the infant. Butter and cheese are made from milk.

[JohnnyBreeze]

There is absolutley zero benefit to eating fiber, it is simply indigestable plant material. Cooked fiber robs the blood and intestines of available fats and causes dryness, irritability and usually lethargy. You can read all fancy studies but when you look at indeginous cultures that eat diets of only meat and dairy without any fiber, they don't get cancer and live long happy lives.

Wow, I'm not sure how to even proceed based on your responses. This is science and facts that have been proven over and over again by observation. Do you even know what fiber is? Yes it is plant matter, but there is soluble fiber and insoluble. Both are very beneficial. Soluble fiber enters the bloodstream and to put it in simple terms, one of the things it does is "clear out" the "bad cholesterol". It does this by binding to bile acids and prevents them from being absorbed into your system. Bile acids are made of cholesterol (among other things), so when there is less bile acid being absorbed, your cholesterol in your bloodstream goes down because your liver uses it to produce more bile acids. More soluble fiber and the cycle repeats.

Whether fiber is cooked or not has no impact on what it does. Yes insoluble fiber can adsorb (not absorb) fats rendering them indigestible, but that is not necessarily a bad thing unless you take a lot of fiber and your fish oil or flax oil at the same time. We're not talking about adsorbing grams and grams of fat, if that were the case then when low fat diets were all the rage in the 80's and 90's, nobody would have been without a ton of psyllium. When you say it robs the intestine of fats, it's more like it takes a few coins out of the "Help A Child In Africa" donation jar at the gas station. Also, insoluble fiber helps clear toxins from the colon by adsorbing them as well, that's one of the way it helps digestion and helps prevent colon and other types of cancers.

Please state the names of cultures that only eat meat and dairy what area they are indigenous to. I will show you that there are plants they are consuming in their diet which are providing fiber.

The toxins are stored in the fat of an animal, they are not transferred into the milk which would harm the infant. Butter and cheese are made from milk.

Again, I'm just at a loss here. If fats are not transferred into milk of mammals fro the mammals themselves, then how do they get there? For example, in cows, while some of the fat is synthesized by the mammary glands the rest is from "lipolysis of adipose tissue". So, during lipolysis of existing fat tissue, toxins can be released and end up in the milk, and yes if there are enough toxins they can harm the infant.

You know just enough to not know what it is you're talking about, which is dangerous. I really would like to know what you base these incorrect assumptions off of, but if I'm trying inform and have a conversation with a person who doesn't respect science and facts, I'm done.

[IronLiver]

Please state the names of cultures that only eat meat and dairy what area they are indigenous to. I will show you that there are plants they are consuming in their diet which are providing fiber.

The Inuit, eskimos and other indigenous tribes which live in the arctic regions of Greenland, Canada and Alaska have not eaten vegitbales for centuries since they of course don't grow in the arctic. In the early 1900's many people went to meet the Inuit and found that they don't eat plants, don't have cancer, have many children and are much healthier than the westerners that eat a diet of processed foods.

[JohnnyBreeze]

The Inuit, eskimos and other indigenous tribes which live in the arctic regions of Greenland, Canada and Alaska have not eaten vegitbales for centuries since they of course don't grow in the arctic. In the early 1900's many people went to meet the Inuit and found that they don't eat plants, don't have cancer, have many children and are much healthier than the westerners that eat a diet of processed foods.

Here you idiot, an exerpt from the very first page that came up when I searched your claim. It contradicts the only culture you could come up, and you were even wrong when you said they don't eat fiber. They do, it's just a lot lower because they can only pick berries and other small plants during the summer months. Yes the human body can survive without fiber and vegetables though adaptation, but like the article says, it is designed to thrive with them. And isn't what this entire board is about, having your body thrive at the highest possible level.

Move on to another subject because when it comes to this, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You know what though, this is my fault, I just said that I was done with someone who refuses to accept facts and science, but I kept on and got into a stupid internet argument with an idiot who, know matter how much evidence and facts are presented to him nor how much knowledge and experience the person who is trying to educate him has, will not accept anything but his own point of view. I should have said this earlier: You know just enough, to think you know what you are talking about. I wish you luck with everything you hope to achieve, but really, I'm really done with this.

There Is No Eskimo Paradox

The human being is designed to thrive on a diet of starches, vegetables and fruits. The Eskimo experience serves as a testament to the miraculous strengths and adaptability of our bodies. We can survive on raw and cooked meat, but we thrive on starches, vegetables and fruits. These hardy people survived living at the edge of the nutritional envelope, but not in good health. Here are some of the health costs they paid:

Eskimos Suffer from Atherosclerosis
Claims that Eskimos were free of heart (artery) disease are untrue. A thorough review of the evidence concludes that “Eskimos have a similar prevalence of CAD (coronary artery disease) as non-Eskimo populations, they have excessive mortality due to cerebrovascular strokes, their overall mortality is twice as high as that of non-Eskimo populations, and their life expectancy is approximately 10 years shorter than the Danish population.”

Mummified remains of Eskimos dating back 2,000 years have shown extensive hardening of the arteries throughout their brains, hearts and limbs; as a direct consequence of following a carnivorous diet of birds, caribou, seals, walrus, polar bears, whales, and fish. The June 1987 issue of National Geographic magazine carried an article about two Eskimo women, one in her twenties and the other in her forties, frozen for five centuries in a tomb of ice. When discovered and medically examined they both showed signs of severe osteoporosis and also suffered extensive atherosclerosis, “probably the result of a heavy diet of whale and seal blubber.”

Eskimos Suffer from Severe Bone Loss
Their low-calcium diet and lack of sunshine (vitamin D) are only minor factors contributing to the extensive osteoporosis found in recent and ancient Eskimos. Alaskan Eskimos older than age 40 have been found to have a 10% to 15% greater deficit in bone mineral density compared to Caucasians in the US. This research published in 1974 on 107 elderly people concluded, “Aging bone loss, which occurs in many populations, has an earlier onset and greater intensity in the Eskimos. Nutritional factors of high protein, high nitrogen, high phosphorus, and low calcium intakes maybe implicated.”

Protein, and especially animal protein, consumed in excess of our needs places serious burdens on the body. The liver and kidneys work hard to process the excess protein and excrete its byproducts along with the urine. As a result of this extra work, Eskimos have been reported to have an enlarged liver while living on meat, and to produce larger than average volumes of urine in order to excrete the byproducts of protein metabolism. The bones also play a role in managing excess animal protein (acidic by nature) by neutralizing large amounts of dietary acids. In this process bone structure and bone mineral content are lost through the kidney system, depleting the bones into a condition called osteoporosis.

Parasite Infections
Diseases of animals are readily transmitted to humans when eaten. One example is trichinosis (an infection with the roundworm Trichinella spiralis), which is found in about 12% of older Eskimos; a result of eating raw and infected walrus, seal, and polar bear meat. In most cases this parasite infestation causes no symptoms, but illness and death can result.

Meat-derived Chemical Pollution
Since the 1970s the diet of the Eskimo has contained high levels of toxic, organic pollutants and heavy metals. These lipophilic chemicals are attracted to and concentrated in the fatty-tissues of land and sea animals. As a direct result of the traditional Eskimo diet (now contaminated by industry wastes), the bodies of these Arctic people contain the highest human concentrations of environmental chemicals found anywhere on Earth: “levels so extreme that the breast milk and tissues of some Greenlanders could be classified as hazardous waste.” Eskimo women have been found to have levels of PCBs in their breast milk five to ten times higher than women in southern Canada. These chemicals cause and promote many forms of cancer and cause brain diseases, including Parkinson’s disease.

Nutrition Has Gone Downhill for the Eskimo

The notion that consuming meat, fish, and fish oil will promote health and healing has captured the attention of the scientific community in large part because of the misinterpretation** of the Eskimo experience. But life has gotten worse for the Eskimo. Over the past 50 years their traditional diet has been further modified with the addition of western foods. Rather than using a hook, spear, or club to catch their meal, as in the past, people living in this part of the world use the “green lure” (the dollar bill) and catch their meals through an open car window at the local fast-food restaurant. Obesity, type-2 diabetes, tooth decay, and cancers of the breast, prostate, and colon have been added to the Eskimo’s traditional health problems of artery disease, bone loss, and infectious diseases.

People living in the frozen north these days have heated homes and drive around in comfortable SUVs. The challenging environment their ancestors barely survived through required a carnivorous diet. Those days of needing 3100 calories a day to counter the freezing cold and hunt for dinner are gone. The idea that current epidemics of obesity and sickness in these Northern people would be best fixed by returning to the old ways of carnivorous diet would not work unless they also returned to living in igloo homes and hunted their lands for every meal. Physicians and dietitians now caring for these people suffering from the western diet with the addition of too much traditional food (ancestral meat) should be prescribing a starch-based diet to help them lose excess weight and cure common dietary diseases.

*The term “Eskimo” comes from a Native American word that may have meant “eater of raw meat.” The word “Eskimo” has come to be considered offensive, especially in Canada. Many prefer the name “Inuit,” which means “the people” or “real people.” However, “Eskimo” is the term used in the scientific and historical literature and will be used here.

**Misinterpretation is easy to spread because:

1) People love to hear good news about their bad habits.

2) Nutritional “facts,” even when false and harmful, are used to sell meat, fish, and other foods.

3) The media loves headlines that sell their products, like “The Eskimo Diet proves Meat’s Good.”

[David LoPan]

[/QUOTE]**Misinterpretation is easy to spread because:

1) People love to hear good news about their bad habits.

2) Nutritional “facts,” even when false and harmful, are used to sell meat, fish, and other foods.

3) The media loves headlines that sell their products, like “The Eskimo Diet proves Meat’s Good.”[/QUOTE]

I would have to agree! if you look at most studies, they are conducted or funded by the industries that are trying to promote things.

https://www.mic.com/articles/145634/...d-studies-lies
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[IronLiver]

Here you idiot, an exerpt from the very first page that came up when I searched your claim. It contradicts the only culture you could come up, and you were even wrong when you said they don't eat fiber. They do, it's just a lot lower because they can only pick berries and other small plants during the summer months. Yes the human body can survive without fiber and vegetables though adaptation, but like the article says, it is designed to thrive with them. And isn't what this entire board is about, having your body thrive at the highest possible level.

In order to learn the truth, you will need to dive deeper than the first page of google. Anyways, I do not know what any of this had to do with cholesterol? You are trying to argue the importance of fiber, which has nothing to do with cholesterol. Cholesterol is found only in animals and therefore the only way for you to get it is by eating animals.