Tamoxifen (Nolva) + Anastrozole (Arimidex)

[Bjorg89]

Hi guys,

got my lab results back from last week. Five weeks post nolva therapy.

The testosterone is low again. So no benefit from mono nolva therapy.

Results:

Prolactin: 20,5 ng/ml -----> 2,5-17
LH: 4,3 mIU/ml -----> 0,1-7,6
FSH: 5,9 mIU/ml -----> 0,1-11,1
SHBG: 31,2 nmol/l -----> 13-71
Test: 307 ng/dl -----> 249-853
Free T: 6,1 ng/dl -----> 5,7-17,8

So it has been almost two years now since I have been shut down. I have tried beeing patient, I have tried caber for the prolaktin, helped for it, but did nothing for the HPTA. I have tried nolvadex for 6 weeks, nothing.

Ahhh, whatever

[JohnnyBreeze]

Hi guys,

got my lab results back from last week. Five weeks post nolva therapy.

The testosterone is low again. So no benefit from mono nolva therapy.

Results:

Prolactin: 20,5 ng/ml -----> 2,5-17
LH: 4,3 mIU/ml -----> 0,1-7,6
FSH: 5,9 mIU/ml -----> 0,1-11,1
SHBG: 31,2 nmol/l -----> 13-71
Test: 307 ng/dl -----> 249-853
Free T: 6,1 ng/dl -----> 5,7-17,8

So it has been almost two years now since I have been shut down. I have tried beeing patient, I have tried caber for the prolaktin, helped for it, but did nothing for the HPTA. I have tried nolvadex for 6 weeks, nothing.

Ahhh, whatever

You're just about right down the middle for LH, FSH, and SHBG. Test / Free Test may be on the lower end of normal, but you're still in normal range, and your prolactin is only slightly elevated. Did you happen to get estradiaol numbers with this round of BW, since you've been completely off of Nolvadex for 5 weeks? If you didn't, let's assume, for sake of argument, that your levels are similar to your previous BW levels. I would say you have, at the very least, decent bloodwork.

I went through and read all of the posts on this thread, but so I can be sure, your main concern now is gyno syptoms - which include a lump, discharge, and soreness? From a former gyno sufferer, I greatly sympathize with you. I never had any discharge, but I would have endured that in a heartbeat if you couldn't see my lumps and puffy nipples. They were awful. If I had pictures with my shirt off, I would post them, but I was too embarrassed and ashamed back then, even to take a picture for posterity (if I'm using that word correctly). I may be able to find a couple with my shirt on, so you hav see how bad they were even covered up.

A few questions:

• Is the soreness intermittent, or does it never go away?
• Are your nipples puffy and / or do they itch, or do any other parts of your chest itch?
• Even if they don't itch, or aren't sore all the time, do you feel like you always have to rub your nipples or other parts of your chest, just so they feel "soothed"?

If your nipples itch along with other parts of your chest, you could try to get those mammogram results to see if the itchiness / soreness lines up with the areas of breast tissue it saw. I really don't want to bum you out, but at some point gyno becomes permanent. That's not to say the discharge can't be stopped, though. From my experience, it sounds like you may be at that point. However, if they don't look abnormal, you can live with the discharge until it's addressed (I know that's easy for me to say when I didn't experience this symptom), and you can live with the way they look, then you may not need to have surgery. I couldn't begin to tell you if you should run another cycle, or if so, how you should run it to avoid worsening any existing gyno, but maybe GearHead or someone else with more knowledge could.

Here's a link to a post I wrote with a detailed description / progression of my gyno (it's post #10). https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ml#post7494598 Maybe it could be of some help to you. Even after gyno surgery, this was the reason why I stopped cycling for over 15 years. I am / have been preparing to run my first since then, but even with all the new information and protocols that I have learned in the last 6-8 months, I am still preparing, learning, and very apprehensive before I try again.

[Bjorg89]

Hey man, thanks for the comprehensive answer.

I don't think these T levels are good for a 30y old man, but ok, doctors also say they are, so let's not "argue". I still think I should be above the middle, to say it's decent.

I did not check anything else this time, because I was at the doctors office, who prescribed me caber few months ago for my prolactin levels and they only check this. But I also think it's similar to the levels from few weeks ago, after stopping nolva.

I did take nolva for the gyno, but my main problem are testosterone levels and the fact that I lactate, feel unmotivated, low energy, almost zero libido, etc. It has been like this for almost two years, since I stopped testosterone and didn't recover with the PCT (at least I assume that's what happened). But not long ago, I got this gyno symptoms and after some advice here, I tried nolva. The pain went away even before starting nolva, but the small lump is still here. No pain or discomfort, not even visible, but I'm not lean at the moment. Can't get lean anymore, since I got off the test. But I can feel it when touching.

I am now considering to try HCG and then nolva+clomid combination again, or to try just clomid, low dose (like 12,5mg/day). The third option would be TRT, but don't want that just yet and it also wouldn't be prescriped, so that sucks. I'm scared of self prescriped TRT. I fucked myself with T already, so not sure what to do.

You're just about right down the middle for LH, FSH, and SHBG. Test / Free Test may be on the lower end of normal, but you're still in normal range, and your prolactin is only slightly elevated. Did you happen to get estradiaol numbers with this round of BW, since you've been completely off of Nolvadex for 5 weeks? If you didn't, let's assume, for sake of argument, that your levels are similar to your previous BW levels. I would say you have, at the very least, decent bloodwork.

I went through and read all of the posts on this thread, but so I can be sure, your main concern now is gyno syptoms - which include a lump, discharge, and soreness? From a former gyno sufferer, I greatly sympathize with you. I never had any discharge, but I would have endured that in a heartbeat if you couldn't see my lumps and puffy nipples. They were awful. If I had pictures with my shirt off, I would post them, but I was too embarrassed and ashamed back then, even to take a picture for posterity (if I'm using that word correctly). I may be able to find a couple with my shirt on, so you hav see how bad they were even covered up.

A few questions:

• Is the soreness intermittent, or does it never go away?
• Are your nipples puffy and / or do they itch, or do any other parts of your chest itch?
• Even if they don't itch, or aren't sore all the time, do you feel like you always have to rub your nipples or other parts of your chest, just so they feel "soothed"?

If your nipples itch along with other parts of your chest, you could try to get those mammogram results to see if the itchiness / soreness lines up with the areas of breast tissue it saw. I really don't want to bum you out, but at some point gyno becomes permanent. That's not to say the discharge can't be stopped, though. From my experience, it sounds like you may be at that point. However, if they don't look abnormal, you can live with the discharge until it's addressed (I know that's easy for me to say when I didn't experience this symptom), and you can live with the way they look, then you may not need to have surgery. I couldn't begin to tell you if you should run another cycle, or if so, how you should run it to avoid worsening any existing gyno, but maybe GearHead or someone else with more knowledge could.

Here's a link to a post I wrote with a detailed description / progression of my gyno (it's post #10). https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ml#post7494598 Maybe it could be of some help to you. Even after gyno surgery, this was the reason why I stopped cycling for over 15 years. I am / have been preparing to run my first since then, but even with all the new information and protocols that I have learned in the last 6-8 months, I am still preparing, learning, and very apprehensive before I try again.