I tried to buy a Firearm and the sale was placed “on hold”

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About three years ago, my 80 year old father wanted something for home protection that wouldn’t kill the neighbor next door sleeping if he had to use it.

the idea that your going to kill the neighbor next to you for defending yourself is total bullshit and false to get you to think you should all have cheap ass pump shotguns with bird shot in it ,, meanwhile the cops/military etc. are rolling around with AR15s , Ar10 , 308s and Glocks on their side ..

don't be so deceived.. yeah a cheap ass shotgun from cheap ass china filled filled with cheap ass bird shot all bought at your cheap ass Walmarts may look proficient against a few birds or doors or whatever these you tubers come up with .. but its a trick to de arm you from the shit that really works

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the idea that your going to kill the neighbor next to you for defending yourself is total bullshit and false to get you to think you should all have cheap ass pump shotguns with bird shot in it ,, meanwhile the cops/military etc. are rolling around with AR15s , Ar10 , 308s and Glocks on their side ..

don't be so deceived.. yeah a cheap ass shotgun from cheap ass china filled filled with cheap ass bird shot all bought at your cheap ass Walmarts may look proficient against a few birds or doors or whatever these you tubers come up with .. but its a trick to de arm you from the shit that really works

Cops are over armed often. that is another issue.

A .223 will go through the cheap walls of my cheap house and cross my 9 foot wide driveway and go right into my neighbor's bedroom window three feet from my driveway. we dont all live on a huge golfcourse like you. in urban areas, the houses are close. my whole propertry is only on a 40x100 lot. i smell what me neighbor is cooking every night she has her window open.

My neighbors sleep about 30 feet from where i would be blasting an intruder entering my kitchen or front door. An AR or AK would be way overkill for my needs. his house is the same nearby me.

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Cops are over armed often. that is another issue.

A .223 will go through the cheap walls of my cheap house and cross my 9 foot wide driveway and go right into my neighbor's bedroom window three feet from my driveway. .

learn how to load and pick your ammo then ..

I've had 223 loads that didn't even make it all the way through a coyote I fucked up and shot .. to say in general a 223 is going though multiple walls and houses when 223 loads didn't even make through a coyote , is bullshit hype..
you need more real world experience .


bullshit guys .. the whole go though walls and multiple houses shit is all hype and deception

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the idea that your going to kill the neighbor next to you for defending yourself is total bullshit and false to get you to think you should all have cheap ass pump shotguns with bird shot in it ,, meanwhile the cops/military etc. are rolling around with AR15s , Ar10 , 308s and Glocks on their side ..

don't be so deceived.. yeah a cheap ass shotgun from cheap ass china filled filled with cheap ass bird shot all bought at your cheap ass Walmarts may look proficient against a few birds or doors or whatever these you tubers come up with .. but its a trick to de arm you from the shit that really works

None of those calibers have the takedown power of birdshot at ten feet.

Do the 4×4 test and you will understand. I live in a duplex.
A 22 short would hit my neighbor.

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None of those calibers have the takedown power of birdshot at ten feet.

Do the 4×4 test and you will understand. I live in a duplex.
A 22 short would hit my neighbor.

Birdshot can dismember you at close range. Shotgun injuries can be devastating.

I remember skeet shooting in a quarry pit. We lined up the beer bottles we found scattered around the pit, and shot them one by one, the entire glass bottle vaporized and turned to dust, leaving the base of the bottle intact on the milkcrate. it was formative to see as a teenager. i had a healthy fear of the business end of that shotgun.

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Birdshot can dismember you at close range. Shotgun injuries can be devastating.

I remember skeet shooting in a quarry pit. We lined up the beer bottles we found scattered around the pit, and shot them one by one, the entire glass bottle vaporized .

Lol .. come on thats a glass beer bottle . who cares if its "vaporized" with bb loads out of a shotgun..its a piece of fragile glass..

try doing that to a full grown bad mother fucker with an ax coming at your head and see if you can really vaporize him with your birdshot

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Lol .. come on thats a glass beer bottle . who cares if its "vaporized" with bb loads out of a shotgun.. try doing that to a full grown bad mother fucker with an ax coming at your head and see if you can really vaporize him with your birdshot

Hes right. 100%
C27 I mean...

I have fucked around with guns on live flesh a lot.

12 guage with bird shot will literally blow an arm entirely the fuck off at ten feet.

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Lol .. come on thats a glass beer bottle . who cares if its "vaporized" with bb loads out of a shotgun..its a piece of fragile glass..

try doing that to a full grown bad mother fucker with an ax coming at your head and see if you can really vaporize him with your birdshot

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I been watching demo ranch for a long time..

raw meat does not have a spirit and does not have a fight in it thats trying to kill you back .. especially an angry evil fight in it. I've gotten way way past all these ballistics and bullshit on the internet and people playing with raw meat and other testing they do online.
its just all fun and games..

I got a gun room in my house

study ballistics, reload ammo etc..

aint no way in hell I'd trust some fracking youtuber trying to get views for my ammo choices .. just like the Military aint carrying no bird shot into war

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I been watching demo ranch for a long time..

raw meat does not have a spirit and does not have a fight in it thats trying to kill you back .. especially an angry evil fight in it. I've gotten way way past all these ballistics and bullshit on the internet and people playing with raw meat and other testing they do online.
its just all fun and games..

I got a gun room in my house

study ballistics, reload ammo etc..

aint no way in hell I'd trust some fracking youtuber trying to get views for my ammo choices .. just like the Military aint carrying no bird shot into war

If you are angry and doped out of your mind and superman... 12 guage birdshot at 10 feet will close your shit instantly.

You guys have clearly not shot enough animals or anything really with birdshot.

Do you understand the way a choke works or the way energy is displaced when it hits you at 10 ft? It's just barely left the wad and it's like getting shot with a slug except 100% of the energy is displaced immediately on the target. That is the same reason the 223 at point-blank range has little to no effect in terms of shock Force. They passed through and displaced very little energy. More powder and more speed is not the answer in home defense. Big and slow that doesn't pass through will displace 100% of a shock force on the target

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Heres another.

Except bear in mind you want an open choke not a fking extra full turkey choke

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