I tried to buy a Firearm and the sale was placed “on hold”

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Birdshot can dismember you at close range. Shotgun injuries can be devastating.

I remember skeet shooting in a quarry pit. We lined up the beer bottles we found scattered around the pit, and shot them one by one, the entire glass bottle vaporized .

Lol .. come on thats a glass beer bottle . who cares if its "vaporized" with bb loads out of a shotgun..its a piece of fragile glass..

try doing that to a full grown bad mother fucker with an ax coming at your head and see if you can really vaporize him with your birdshot

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Lol .. come on thats a glass beer bottle . who cares if its "vaporized" with bb loads out of a shotgun.. try doing that to a full grown bad mother fucker with an ax coming at your head and see if you can really vaporize him with your birdshot

Hes right. 100%
C27 I mean...

I have fucked around with guns on live flesh a lot.

12 guage with bird shot will literally blow an arm entirely the fuck off at ten feet.

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Lol .. come on thats a glass beer bottle . who cares if its "vaporized" with bb loads out of a shotgun..its a piece of fragile glass..

try doing that to a full grown bad mother fucker with an ax coming at your head and see if you can really vaporize him with your birdshot

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I been watching demo ranch for a long time..

raw meat does not have a spirit and does not have a fight in it thats trying to kill you back .. especially an angry evil fight in it. I've gotten way way past all these ballistics and bullshit on the internet and people playing with raw meat and other testing they do online.
its just all fun and games..

I got a gun room in my house

study ballistics, reload ammo etc..

aint no way in hell I'd trust some fracking youtuber trying to get views for my ammo choices .. just like the Military aint carrying no bird shot into war

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I been watching demo ranch for a long time..

raw meat does not have a spirit and does not have a fight in it thats trying to kill you back .. especially an angry evil fight in it. I've gotten way way past all these ballistics and bullshit on the internet and people playing with raw meat and other testing they do online.
its just all fun and games..

I got a gun room in my house

study ballistics, reload ammo etc..

aint no way in hell I'd trust some fracking youtuber trying to get views for my ammo choices .. just like the Military aint carrying no bird shot into war

If you are angry and doped out of your mind and superman... 12 guage birdshot at 10 feet will close your shit instantly.

You guys have clearly not shot enough animals or anything really with birdshot.

Do you understand the way a choke works or the way energy is displaced when it hits you at 10 ft? It's just barely left the wad and it's like getting shot with a slug except 100% of the energy is displaced immediately on the target. That is the same reason the 223 at point-blank range has little to no effect in terms of shock Force. They passed through and displaced very little energy. More powder and more speed is not the answer in home defense. Big and slow that doesn't pass through will displace 100% of a shock force on the target

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If you are angry and doped out of your mind and superman... 12 guage birdshot at 10 feet will close your shit instantly.

You guys have clearly not shot enough animals or anything really with birdshot.

Do you understand the way a choke works or the way energy is displaced when it hits you at 10 ft? It's just barely left the wad and it's like getting shot with a slug except 100% of the energy is displaced immediately on the target. That is the same reason the 223 at point-blank range has little to no effect in terms of shock Force. They passed through and displaced very little energy. More powder and more speed is not the answer in home defense. Big and slow that doesn't pass through will displace 100% of a shock force on the target

I guess we will agree to disagree brother .. I know your probably damn good with a shotgun and bird shot and thats your weapon of choice and I feel you.

I don't think "energy" or shock or foot pounds of force is as important as precise and extreme penetration and shot placement..

where I live , up in the high areas of the rockies , your not taking out an 800 pound elk with bird shot at 200 yards with a shotgun and bird shot.. heck even a pheasant shot with bird shot I still got to twist its neck after being shot.
its not about energy and force but the penetration. and the precision of that penetration with the proper tool to do it.

try hunting an 800 pound Elk with no. 8 bird shot and a shotgun .. good luck with that.

I ain't taking chances with that bullshit based on "energy" and force production .. I'm all about penetration , just like I am with my women
my defense is Glock 10mm, 357 sig, 308 Ar10s, shotgun loaded with slugs, etc..
its not about that whole "energy" thing , its about penetration and precision.

I know bird shot can look pretty good on camera and at close range (and on the chrono with energy loads) .. looks good on camera... but aint no marine walking into battle with a walmrat shotgun loaded with basic bird shot and aint no elk hunter carrying that either .
penetration and precision is what stops the fight

just my opinion

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I guess we will agree to disagree brother .. I know your probably damn good with a shotgun and bird shot and thats your weapon of choice and I feel you.

I don't think "energy" or shock or foot pounds of force is as important as precise and extreme penetration and shot placement..

where I live , up in the high areas of the rockies , your not taking out an 800 pound elk with bird shot at 200 yards with a shotgun and bird shot.. heck even a pheasant shot with bird shot I still got to twist its neck after being shot.
its not about energy and force but the penetration. and the precision of that penetration with the proper tool to do it.

try hunting an 800 pound Elk with no. 8 bird shot and a shotgun .. good luck with that.

I ain't taking chances with that bullshit based on "energy" and force production .. I'm all about penetration , just like I am with my women
my defense is Glock 10mm, 357 sig, 308 Ar10s, shotgun loaded with slugs, etc..
its not about that whole "energy" thing , its about penetration and precision.

I know bird shot can look pretty good on camera and at close range (and on the chrono with energy loads) .. looks good on camera... but aint no marine walking into battle with a walmrat shotgun loaded with basic bird shot and aint no elk hunter carrying that either .
penetration and precision is what stops the fight

just my opinion

Im talking about 10 feet.
A 300 RUM will not stop a man like a 12 guage with bird shot at 10 feet.

Have ypu ever seen a close range head shot with bird shot?
I been trying to find one.
There is no face left.

Dont try to insult me with the "on camera" bullshit.

I was 8 years old walking around with a 12 guage shooting everything in sight. I have shot millions of rounds and thousand at live targets.

You hit me pissed off with a 9mm I can get through that and maybe do something. Birdshot will stop any target at 10-15 feet even if its not a vital shot.

Losing limbs kinda take the fight out of you.

Give us a demo. Go get your armor and when it stops those bb's tell me how you feel. Then do it 8 more times.

You dont seem to know much about guns for having so many.

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Im talking about 10 feet.
A 300 RUM will not stop a man like a 12 guage with bird shot at 10 feet.

Have ypu ever seen a close range head shot with bird shot?
I been trying to find one.
There is no face left.

yes ,, first hand nearly.
a friend of a friend who was a car mechanic working on my old high boy f250 Ford Truck shot himself with a shot gun and bird shot in a suicide attempt and he didn't die . he just disfigured himself.

some criminal comes into my home , I don't want to just disfigure him ... I want to rip his spine out .

mortal kombat !!!

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That is the same reason the 223 at point-blank range has little to no effect in terms of shock Force. They passed through and displaced very little energy. More powder and more speed is not the answer in home defense. Big and slow that doesn't pass through will displace 100% of a shock force on the target

This makes it simple, completely on point, like a "Principles of Home Defense weapon choice for dummies" book. It could be one page long.

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This makes it simple, completely on point, like a "Principles of Home Defense weapon choice for dummies" book. It could be one page long.

I forgot some live in mansions.

Gh has got a .338 lapua zeroed in at 200 yards trained on his fron door from his bed. 32x 50mm scope

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I forgot some live in mansions.

Gh has got a .338 lapua zeroed in at 200 yards trained on his fron door from his bed. 32x 50mm scope

I prefer 338 in 250 grain hornady boat tail bullets ... fly way way faster then guys that over load and go too heavy .. I like to have a 300 yard zero on my scope . makes life more simple

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This makes it simple, completely on point, like a "Principles of Home Defense weapon choice for dummies" book. It could be one page long.

if that was so on point .. why don't our military carry smooth bore shotguns with bird shot in them? instead they carry AR15 and AR10 and even the militarized police are dropping shotgun for AR15s etc..
yet general civilian homeowners that shop at Walmart are being told to buy a shot gun and bird shot to defend your home ..

you all deceived

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if that was so on point .. why don't our military carry smooth bore shotguns with bird shot in them? instead they carry AR15 and AR10 and even the militarized police are dropping shotgun for AR15s etc..
yet general civilian homeowners that shop at Walmart are being told to buy a shot gun and bird shot to defend your home ..

you all deceived

The military likes to reach out and touch somebody from as far as possible. My house aint as big as an afghan field

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if that was so on point .. why don't our military carry smooth bore shotguns with bird shot in them? instead they carry AR15 and AR10 and even the militarized police are dropping shotgun for AR15s etc..
yet general civilian homeowners that shop at Walmart are being told to buy a shot gun and bird shot to defend your home ..

you all deceived

Because they arent in a duplex dumb fuck