clen and t3/t4 without/absolute minimum sides?

[charger69]

Low doses of clen work for some and for some it doesn’t.
First rule of clen/T3- do t overdo it. These are essentially stimulants.
Your body naturally produces 25 mcg of T3, so taking 25 or less is worthless IMO.
I would not recommend going over 50 of T3. That is twice what your body would naturally produce.
The qty of T3 in your body is going to stall the transfer of T4 to T3 through the feedback loops. If you are low on T3, your body sends signals to convert the T4 into more T3.
With that being said, any deficit will take muscle and fat. You want to have muscle sparing AAS when you go on a deficit.

Another option is an EC stack (ephedrine/caffeine). I have done many EC stacks and it works however I read a study that said that EC stack was about 15% effective, clen 40%, and DNP80%. I do not know how accurate that is though. Clen is faked many times also.


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[bobspix]

Low doses of clen work for some and for some it doesn’t.
First rule of clen/T3- do t overdo it. These are essentially stimulants.
Your body naturally produces 25 mcg of T3, so taking 25 or less is worthless IMO.
I would not recommend going over 50 of T3. That is twice what your body would naturally produce.
The qty of T3 in your body is going to stall the transfer of T4 to T3 through the feedback loops. If you are low on T3, your body sends signals to convert the T4 into more T3.
With that being said, any deficit will take muscle and fat. You want to have muscle sparing AAS when you go on a deficit.

Another option is an EC stack (ephedrine/caffeine). I have done many EC stacks and it works however I read a study that said that EC stack was about 15% effective, clen 40%, and DNP80%. I do not know how accurate that is though. Clen is faked many times also.


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I see. so is it better to just take one of two (clen and t3) and if taking t3, which one would be better t3,t4 or t3-t4 mix?
Also, an EC stack? I am yet to read anything on it but if it's a better and efficient option against clen and t3 then I just might as well use it too. I don't even know if EC has sides or not but it definitely wpuld be easy on muscle loss I believe.

lastly, it is a possibility right? that my metabolism is an all time low rn and to give it a push I supplement t3 @ 25mcgs?

[charger69]

I see. so is it better to just take one of two (clen and t3) and if taking t3, which one would be better t3,t4 or t3-t4 mix?
Also, an EC stack? I am yet to read anything on it but if it's a better and efficient option against clen and t3 then I just might as well use it too. I don't even know if EC has sides or not but it definitely wpuld be easy on muscle loss I believe.

lastly, it is a possibility right? that my metabolism is an all time low rn and to give it a push I supplement t3 @ 25mcgs?

I am trying to lay out the data so you can choose. You can use both T3 and clen, but I only recommend
one or the other. NOTE: clen is believed to “clog” the receptors so most take it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off to allow time to free up the receptors. Some fill those 2 weeks off with an EC stack.
I would go with T3, because I believe it to be the most effective.
I also recommend T3 instead of T4 or T3/T4 mix. By experience, T3 produced better results.
I was trying to point out that the study, which I didn’t go deep into, showed the EC stack was the least effective method. I have had good luck with an EC stack so I still use an EC stack.
EC is a stimulant. You get the common sides of a stimulant if you take too much... jittery, etc.
I do not feel that.
In a “normal” person their body generates 25 mcg of T3. If you introduce exogenous T3 at 25, all you did was stop the natural production. Yes, everyone is different so the 25 is playing the law of averages. 25 May have an effect, but I would do 50.

I am giving this advice, but I have abused stimulants and have the resulting atrial fibrillation. Once detected with it ... your fucked. This is t a matter of you have it or you don’t. It can come and go and the only way to detect it is through an ECG. You could go for 4 years of testing and never have been inThe Afib condition when checked and 5 minutes after you leave the Dr go into an afib condition.


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[bobspix]

I am trying to lay out the data so you can choose. You can use both T3 and clen, but I only recommend
one or the other. NOTE: clen is believed to “clog” the receptors so most take it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off to allow time to free up the receptors. Some fill those 2 weeks off with an EC stack.
I would go with T3, because I believe it to be the most effective.
I also recommend T3 instead of T4 or T3/T4 mix. By experience, T3 produced better results.
I was trying to point out that the study, which I didn’t go deep into, showed the EC stack was the least effective method. I have had good luck with an EC stack so I still use an EC stack.
EC is a stimulant. You get the common sides of a stimulant if you take too much... jittery, etc.
I do not feel that.
In a “normal” person their body generates 25 mcg of T3. If you introduce exogenous T3 at 25, all you did was stop the natural production. Yes, everyone is different so the 25 is playing the law of averages. 25 May have an effect, but I would do 50.

I am giving this advice, but I have abused stimulants and have the resulting atrial fibrillation. Once detected with it ... your fucked. This is t a matter of you have it or you don’t. It can come and go and the only way to detect it is through an ECG. You could go for 4 years of testing and never have been inThe Afib condition when checked and 5 minutes after you leave the Dr go into an afib condition.


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Thanks man. That's such a detailed overview. So I will go with T3 most likely, use 25 mcg for a bit and see how it goes, I will be happy even if it speeds up the leaning out process by 30% while not being too harsh on muscle mass. Regarding the EC stack, I have been "abusing" caffeine for like 5 years now. So much so that I use coffee so I can sleep at night. Maybe such a tolerance would lead me to abuse the EC stack too. Thanks for the heads up on it

[Mr. Small]

Bit optimistic to think t3 will speed up the fat burning by 30 %.

Anyway, to get clen burning fat, you need to ramp the dose way up to at least 80mcg per day.

[charger69]

Bit optimistic to think t3 will speed up the fat burning by 30 %.

Anyway, to get clen burning fat, you need to ramp the dose way up to at least 80mcg per day.

I was using 20 mcg and noticed a difference. It was gradual, which is what I wanted, but it worked. When I am cutting I usually go 40, but I am on a deficit and allot of cardio. Obviously, I am on a cutting cycle so I have other elements ( ie winnie, tren, mast. Etc).


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[bobspix]

I was using 20 mcg and noticed a difference. It was gradual, which is what I wanted, but it worked. When I am cutting I usually go 40, but I am on a deficit and allot of cardio. Obviously, I am on a cutting cycle so I have other elements ( ie winnie, tren, mast. Etc).


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Man all I am worrying about is muscle loss and I want to minimise it without anabolics.
Let's say, if I take winstrol, the injectable one 50 mgs EOD for 3 weeks, would it shut me down or suppress it? Would I need PCT afterwards?