You'll want to read this!

[Juicedupmonkey]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5131467]

Ronnie I'm about to start PCT, it wouldn't be a good idea to be doing a carb cycling diet during now would it? IF YOU ARE ON A CUTTING PHASE THEN STICK TO CARB CYCLING OR YOU'LL GAIN BACK THE BODY FAT. And I'm currently working out in the evening so is it still gonna work the same YESIf I just make my first meal carb/pro then PreWO and PWO then all the others are pro/fat. And my last meal is pro/fat THAT IS A GOOD STRATEGY![/QUOTE]ABOVE

Yes i'm in a cutting phase, The first half of my Cycle was a bulk then i had to switch over to cutting for the other half. I was planning on it being just a bulk but I didn't realize it was coming to the summer months so quickly and decided i should shed some BF. So i posted up my diet as it is now, Since i'm starting PCT on Monday should i bump my calories up to maintenance? until i'm done PCT? to maybe preserve muscle? or keep it where it is below Maintenance?
And HCG... Should i be injecting that into the muscle or some fat? does it matter?
Just to Clarify say a 20 week cycle ends on week 20 and i'm to take HCG on the 21st and 22nd week? then clomid and Nolva for the 23rd,24th,25th and 26th weeks? Making the entire PCT of HCG/Clomid/Nolva 6 weeks?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Juicedupmonkey;5133021]

Yes i'm in a cutting phase, The first half of my Cycle was a bulk then i had to switch over to cutting for the other half. I was planning on it being just a bulk but I didn't realize it was coming to the summer months so quickly and decided i should shed some BF. So i posted up my diet as it is now, Since i'm starting PCT on Monday should i bump my calories up to maintenance? until i'm done PCT? to maybe preserve muscle? or keep it where it is below Maintenance? JUST STAY BELOW MAINTENANCE IF STILL WANTING TO LOSE BODY FAT. ALSO, GOING OFF STEROIDS WHEN CUTTING DOWN IS A BIG MISTAKE IMO AS YOU WILL LOSE TOO MUCH MUSCLE! And HCG... Should i be injecting that into the muscle or some fat? FAT BUT EITHER WAY WORKS does it matter?
Just to Clarify say a 20 week cycle ends on week 20 and i'm to take HCG on the 21st and 22nd week? then clomid and Nolva for the 23rd,24th,25th and 26th weeks? ONLY 23 AND 23 FOR NOLVA/CLOMID Making the entire PCT of HCG/Clomid/Nolva 6 weeks?

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[kiddo24]

Man just read the majority of this whole post...think I just blew my mind!
For someone like myself who has never cycled before and is contemplating it, I'm a little confused and unsure.
Some of the sutff I've read on this forum is very contradictive.
I'm 25 and have been training for the last 3 years with some average success in gaining lean mass, I'm 186lbs and want to get bigger, leaner and stronger (dont we all).
I just wish there was a little more transparency, i.e can I really get ripped and cut like Hugh Jackman without AAS!
Anyways I'm done talking s**t, great post btw!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Is this statement from Phil Hernon true???? false??? "A lot of trainees ( from other countries where this is legal)say that they want to take massive amounts of steroids. What they do not understand is that sometimes larger dosages of test may reduce free test levels......lower dosages of test may raise free test levels..........lower levels of test may RAISE IGF-1 levels....it all depends upon what dosages thay are at.......and what response they are getting from their dosages now........find out how you respond before bombing yourself with test.......there is a RIGHT WAY or BETTER Way............especially if you want long term positive resluts. Believe me when I say that as your trainer, we KNOW you want to be huge......there is a method to our madness"

ronnie..we realize you do not use anti-es.....if you had to choose from one of these d...rugs.... would it be aromasin???? arimidex???? letro???why????

[F4iGuy]

I know reload reps are to good failure. Does the same apply for higher reps (10-15) during Deload?

[Juicedupmonkey]

Ronnie, Can i post you my diet I have made up that incorporates Carb Cycling so you may critique it?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, can i post you my diet i have made up that incorporates carb cycling so you may critique it?

post it and i'll take a look.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=F4iGuy;5130202]I know reload reps are to good failure. Does the same apply for higher reps (10-15) during Deload? YES, YOU STILL TRAIN TO GOOD FAILURE DURING DELOADS AS YOU ARE STILL TRYING TO MAKE GAINS WITH LESS VOLUME. "P.S. YOUR LATS ARE LOOKING RIDICULOUS!"[/QUOTE] ABOVE

[almard]

Ronnie, I always train short to failure for 12 sets and reduce the volume every 8 weeks or so............I fell overtrain very quick when I train to failure even for couple sets, so what do you think?

[Ronnie Rowland]

is this statement from phil hernon true???? False??? "a lot of trainees ( from other countries where this is legal)say that they want to take massive amounts of steroids. What they do not understand is that sometimes larger dosages of test may reduce free test levels......lower dosages of test may raise free test levels..........lower levels of test may raise igf-1 levels....it all depends upon what dosages thay are at.......and what response they are getting from their dosages now........find out how you respond before bombing yourself with test.......there is a right way or better way............especially if you want long term positive resluts. Believe me when i say that as your trainer, we know you want to be huge......there is a method to our madness" i think phil hernon is just concerned about others health and trying to keep them out of harms way. Phil is a true genetic freak and i think i once read that during his golden years he stated that he took everything he could get his hands on in order to get bigger. Notice that phil says- "lower dosages of test "may" raise igf-1 levels," NOT THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO! In all honestly, it's higher dosages of test that increase 1gf-1 levels and reaching the point of diminishing returns will vary amongst individuals. You can prove and disprove anything with studies. Most studies say more test equals more gains up to a point and most pro-bodybuilder's will tell you the same thing as I!
ronnie..we realize you do
not use anti-es.....if you had to choose from one of these d...rugs.... Would it be aromasin???? Arimidex???? Letro??? aromasin why???? because there is little to no estrogen rebound when coming off aromasin and that's when some people start developing gyno and become all emotional.

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[wnt2grow]

No disrespect assumed, I was under the assumption that using the hcg was the best way to go. I will follow your suggestion I like my "boys" to be normal.

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, i was planning to undertake the 20 week cycle you recommended but i couldnt get hold of the tri-test, tri-tren until recently so i took a pct of clomid and novaldex after my first 8 week cycle of sus deca and dbol (i didnt like the dbol because of the water retention and bloating!) i really do think that the 20 week cycle you recommended is excellent and i really appreciate it, i was thinking of adding winstrol so it would be 1g of test + 400mg of tren + 350mg of winny - would that be a good addition ? i would then deload for 2 weeks with 500mg of test and do a higher dose of the above for the second phase.
on the cycle i was planning 500g of protein 200g of carbs and 50-70g healthy fats. please let me know what you think.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=ricky23;5130365]hi ronnie, i was planning to undertake the 20 week cycle you recommended but i couldnt get hold of the tri-test, tri-tren until recently so i took a pct of clomid and novaldex after my first 8 week cycle of sus deca and dbol (i didnt like the dbol because of the water retention and bloating!) i really do think that the 20 week cycle you recommended is excellent and i really appreciate it, i was thinking of adding winstrol so it would be 1g of test + 400mg of tren + 350mg of winny - would that be a good addition ?YES! i would then deload for 2 weeks with 500mg of test and do a higher dose of the above for the second phase.
on the cycle i was planning 500g of protein 200g of carbs and 50-70g healthy fats. please let me know what you think.500 GRAMS OF PROTEIN SOUNDS LIKE TOO MUCH UNLESS YOU WEIGH 250 PLUS. HOW MUCH DO YOU WEIGH?[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[aloha]

hmpf ... okay okay. yeah me too

[aloha]

ronnie is the man by the way, thanks for all the good reads

[Ronnie Rowland]

Whats the best steroid to order on this site

This site does not sell steroids, only pro-hormones!

[magaton]

nnaaasssttyy,

Take some time and read all the stickies in all the various sections. They will serve you will and will answer your questions.

If you don't take the time to read and make an attempt to answer your own questions, that have already been asked a million times by many others, you are likely not to get any worthwhile responses.

Welcome to the site. There is a wealth of knowledge here.

Ronnie, thanks for an awesome post! I'm applying it now.

[Candi962]

This was great information , thanks!!

[delta1111]

Hello Ron, I have read every post on this thread and have followed this thread now for about the last 6 month. I have found the advise you give is invaluable and full credit to you for making the time to answer everyones questions.
I have been on several cycles over the last couple of years and have never really been satisfied until I tried your Slingshot system. I've been using slingshot now for several months, to be exact, i'm on my 3rd reload. What I mean is: 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off and now back on for 8 weeks. I'm now 3 weeks into my 3rd reload which I plan to run for 5 more weeks, 8 weeks in total. This will mean that with 3 reloads and 2 deloads, the cycle has lasted for a total of 28 weeks (phew that took some typing).
My question to you is: How much longer can I continue to reload and deload? or, should I come off after this current reload for a while? and if so, for how long?
Something else I should perhaps mention is I am 40 years old and the only bad side effects I've had is back acne.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hello ron, i have read every post on this thread and have followed this thread now for about the last 6 month. I have found the advise you give is invaluable and full credit to you for making the time to answer everyones questions.
I have been on several cycles over the last couple of years and have never really been satisfied until i tried your slingshot system. I've been using slingshot now for several months, to be exact, i'm on my 3rd reload. What i mean is: 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off and now back on for 8 weeks. I'm now 3 weeks into my 3rd reload which i plan to run for 5 more weeks, 8 weeks in total. This will mean that with 3 reloads and 2 deloads, the cycle has lasted for a total of 28 weeks (phew that took some typing).
My question to you is: How much longer can i continue to reload and deload? Or, should i come off after this current reload for a while? And if so, for how long? you can continue to reload and deload until you get burned out. If you feel as if though you are plateauing i would switch over to training each muscle group twice a week for 10 week training phase (1- 8 week reload and 1-2 week deload)
something else i should perhaps mention is i am 40 years old and the only bad side effects i've had is back acne. great! The tanning bed can help that!

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[delta1111]

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Hello again Ronnie, Many thanks for your answers. As I mentioned earlier, i'm now 40 years old, do you think cycling at this age is an issue? You also say it should be ok to continue until i'm "burned out". This may sound like a silly question but whats your definition of being burned out? I ask this because I do sometimes feel tired but put this down to age more than cycling, but just wondered what you think. I'm now on my 3rd reload and have increased dosages on each reload. I'm now on 400mg of test blend and 150mg of trenbolone every other day. This is a total of around 1500mg of test and 560mg of tren per week. Would I need to increase this if I decide to continue with a 4th reload? Would you recommend I use a different substance.
I currently train 4 days per week. Muscle groups I train together are: day 1 chest, biceps and abs, day 2 back and triceps, day 3 legs and calves, day 4 shoulders, forearms and abs. I normally do 9 work sets for each muscle group, except for abs which I only do 3 sets and forearms 6 sets. I would like to try your recommendation of training each group twice per week. How should I change my schedule to accommodate this? Many thanks for all your help.

[wnt2grow]

Ronnie,


I was taking 750 mg test, and 600 mg eq a week.

I followed the load, deload, reload. It was time for me to start PCT and I decided to keep taking the test because I loved the results. I have since added tren to my cycle. I took the test e at 300 mg for 2 weeks then went up to 600 mg a week. I added Tren A at 100mg a week(first time on tren,less sides? if a better dose please tell me), this is why I lowered the test dose. I am not prone to gyno thus far not even an issue. I do how ever have testicular atrophy, could I start taking hcg while still on cycle to maybe help with the atrophy? I am over 40 and have my kids, not so worried about fertility, just want my boys to hang a little better.I pin every Sunday night and Thursday morning 300 mg test e with 50 mg Tren A per pin.

Thanks again Ronnie,
Your help is always appreciated, and not telling us what we are doing wrong but helping us do it right is just what I feel this forum is about.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,


I was taking 750 mg test, and 600 mg eq a week.

I followed the load, deload, reload. It was time for me to start PCT and I decided to keep taking the test because I loved the results. I have since added tren to my cycle. I took the test e at 300 mg for 2 weeks then went up to 600 mg a week. I added Tren A at 100mg a week(first time on tren,less sides? if a better dose please tell me), I would bump up tren ace to 50 mgs eod! this is why I lowered the test dose. I am not prone to gyno thus far not even an issue.good I do how ever have testicular atrophy, could I start taking hcg while still on cycle to maybe help with the atrophy? You could but this will increase your chances of getting gyno, cause you to go through more painful injections and you will spend money they would be better off spend on steroids. I am over 40 and have my kids, not so worried about fertility, just want my boys to hang a little better. I would not worry about it. Women do not care! I would spend that money on cabergoline or prami because women do care about that! I pin every Sunday night and Thursday morning 300 mg test e with 50 mg Tren A per pin. Tren acetate needs to be ran eod or at the very least mon,wed,fri. The way you are running it would cause more side effects and provide less results. Test injections look good.
Thanks again Ronnie,
Your help is always appreciated, and not telling us what we are doing wrong but helping us do it right is just what I feel this forum is about.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hello again Ronnie, Many thanks for your answers. As I mentioned earlier, i'm now 40 years old, do you think cycling at this age is an issue? no, i do not! You also say it should be ok to continue until i'm "burned out". This may sound like a silly question but whats your definition of being burned out? achy joints and/or feeling very lethargic to the point of dreading going to the gym. I ask this because I do sometimes feel tired but put this down to age more than cycling, but just wondered what you think. I'm now on my 3rd reload and have increased dosages on each reload. I'm now on 400mg of test blend and 150mg of trenbolone every other day. This is a total of around 1500mg of test and 560mg of tren per week. Would I need to increase this if I decide to continue with a 4th reload? Would you recommend I use a different substance. If it were me, I would try staying with that same stack and begin training each muscle twice a week. I would also try increasing calories through mostly protein sources. If you do not gain then you could add in third compound. Or you could go ahead and add in 3rd compound and continue with once a week muscle group training. It's a toss up but if you can make more gains by changing your training program to twice a week muscle group training for 10 weeks and adjusting diet without having to add in more anabolics, it's a good thing!
I currently train 4 days per week. Muscle groups I train together are: day 1 chest, biceps and abs, day 2 back and triceps, day 3 legs and calves, day 4 shoulders, forearms and abs. I normally do 9 work sets for each muscle group, except for abs which I only do 3 sets and forearms 6 sets. I would like to try your recommendation of training each group twice per week. How should I change my schedule to accommodate this? Many thanks for all your help.

Do 3-6 sets per body part.

Day 1: chest,shoulder,lats HEAVY DAY
Day 2 : arms/legs/abs HEAVY DAY
Day 3 : off
Day 4: same as day 1 LIGHT DAY
Day 5: same as day 2 LIGHT DAY
Weekends off.

NOTE: TYPE OUT YOUR WHOLE PROGRAM IN THIS THREAD CONTAINING EXERCISES, SETS, REPS AND I WILL CRITIQUE IF FOR YOU!

[Coca Cola]

Awesome Ronnie! Thanks man!

[delta1111]

Do 3-6 sets per body part.

Day 1: chest,shoulder,lats HEAVY DAY
Day 2 : arms/legs/abs HEAVY DAY
Day 3 : off
Day 4: same as day 1 LIGHT DAY
Day 5: same as day 2 LIGHT DAY
Weekends off.

NOTE: TYPE OUT YOUR WHOLE PROGRAM IN THIS THREAD CONTAINING EXERCISES, SETS, REPS AND I WILL CRITIQUE IF FOR YOU!

Hi Ronnie.
Here is the information you asked for:

The following are work sets only.
Day 1:
Chest:
3 sets of incline bench press with smith m/c,
3 sets of flat bench press with smith m/c,
3 sets of flat or incline flies or pec deck,
9 sets total, 6 to 10 reps per set. Ocasionally I may use dumbells instead. and sometimes do 3 sets of declines.

Biceps:
3 sets of barbel or cable m/c curls,
3 sets of seated dumbell curls,
3 sets of preachers using bar or dumbell,
9 sets total, 8 to 10 reps per set.

Abs:
3 sets of sit ups using a decline bench, 20 reps per set.

Day 2:
Back:
3 sets of wide grip lat pull downs,
3 sets of seated m/c rows,
3 sets of bent over rows,
9 sets total 8 to 10 reps per set.

Triceps:
3 sets of skull crushers,
3 sets of behind the neck dumbell presses,
3 sets of tricep cable presses,
9 sets total 8 to 10 reps per set. Triceps is one of my favourite muscles to train so there are many different excersises I use on a typical day, like close grip dips, close grip b/press, bench dips. With triceps, there seems to be so many excersises one can use.

Day 3:
Legs:
3 sets of leg press or squat,
3 sets of leg extensions,
3 sets of leg biceps (hams),
9 sets total, 8 to 10 reps per set.

Calves:
2 sets calve m/c toes pointing in,
2 sets calve m/c toes pointing out,
2 sets calve m/c normal,
6 sets total, 10 reps per set.

Day 4:
Shoulders:
3 sets of seated m/c shoulder presses,
3 sets of side dumbell raises,
3 sets of front dumbell raises,
3 to 5 sets of shrugs using olympic bar (heavy) sometimes use dumbells for this.
12 to 14 sets, 8 reps per set.

Forearms:
6 sets of forearm twists using weighted rope ties to a stick (wrist roller) or 3 sets of forearm curls and 3 sets of reverse forearm curls.

Abs:
3 sets of sit ups using a decline bench, 20 reps per set.

This is a typical week for me, although sometimes I change the excersises but the volume stays the same.
I also have an issue developing my inner chest. When I do exercises like peck deck, cable crossovers or flies and really squeeze at the top of the rep, I get a really good pump but never seem to grow from it. It's as if there's no muscle there to grow. Can you recommend any thing for this?
One last thing, would you recommend wide grip dips and decline presses for lower chest development, or just flat presses?
Many thanks again Ronnie, your help and guidance is always appreciated.

[bulkomaniac]

Hello Ronnie,
And the rest.....hope alls well!
I am presently on clen and T3.....I really need further help guys....Any information will be really appreciated.
I recently started a cycle of Clen and T3. Been 2 weeks now. I never tried anything close to steroids earlier ever. I am 32 yrs old, male and into fitness.
I have been really wanting to lean down and accelerate muscle size. Can you please suggest a non test based steroid ? its just that the whole concept of "bitch tits" really scares me....i wouldnt want to start anything that kind and keep worrying how my chest will turn out to be !
At the moment heres my input
im 5.11"
250 lbs
bench press (3 rep max) - 250 lbs
squat (") - 260 lbs
I am decently strong, but my body fat% is 28!
Would you suggest Anavar ? Please help me out guys. I dont even know where to post exactly, im still a bit confused as I just joined in.

My diet is about 1000gms of boiled chicken and veggies through the day in 5 meals. I do cheat once in a while with a scoop of ice cream here n there...maybe once a month.
Please help me out.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hello ronnie,
and the rest.....hope alls well!
I am presently on clen and t3.....i really need further help guys....any information will be really appreciated.
I recently started a cycle of clen and t3. Been 2 weeks now. I never tried anything close to steroids earlier ever. you should never use t-3 without using anabolic steroids as you will lose way too much muscle-HENCE BECOME EVEN FATTER!!! It's best to do 3-days of cardio per week and consume a diet high in protein, low-moderate fats and low carbs to lose body fat! i am 32 yrs old, male and into fitness.
I have been really wanting to lean down and accelerate muscle size. Can you please suggest a non test based steroid ? go with winstrol at 50 mgs per day its just that the whole concept of "bitch tits" really scares me....i wouldnt want to start anything that kind and keep worrying how my chest will turn out to be ! take some aromasin every day with test enanthate and you should not get gyno while on or post-cycle as there is no estrogen rebound with this drug!
at the moment heres my input
im 5.11"
250 lbs
bench press (3 rep max) - 250 lbs
squat (") - 260 lbs
i am decently strong, but my body fat% is 28! not good!would you suggest anavar ? no, its too pricey unless you have a lot of money to spend as you will need at least 40mgs per day to see decent results please help me out guys. I dont even know where to post exactly, im still a bit confused as i just joined in.

My diet is about 1000gms of boiled chicken and veggies through the day in 5 meals. I do cheat once in a while with a scoop of ice cream here n there...maybe once a month.
Please help me out.

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[nanu]

www.steroidy-net.info

[mass_iv]

Awesome post Ronnie,
Iv been browsing around the forum for sometime now, finally registered now...

Interesting method you have, makes sense to me however find it hard to let go of what i am used to. Anyways iv convinced myself to try it now but have a few questions to finalise my cycle. Basically its my 3rd cycle (first 2 were basic Test E/deca cycles, worked ok but not the greatest combo for me i guess) im looking to gain some good decent size but not too much fat, to be honest i wud love to stay lean (the tricky part) whilst not affecting muscle gain.

Here is a snapshot of what i have jotted down so far, basically i am thinking of a D-Bol, Test E, Tren (A or E not sure need help deciding), EQ and a 4 week PCT. The cycle will span across 16 ON weeks following the 8week reload 2 weeks deload method you mentioned.... here's the plan:


Ok so i need to finalise a few things, what Tren would u recommend? i havent used it before, also what dosages to fit into the graph shown above.
Secondly during weeks 9-10 the deload weeks, is it ok if i stop tacking my injections the way shown and maybe say hit 20mgED of Nolvadex for the 2 weeks or HCG etc before starting up again as shown? or shud i say keep taking some test/tren etc?
Finally i was thinking bought introducing T3 towards the end to help cut up if it looks as though im bulking too much, what would you recommend to incorporate it without impacting muscle too much???

Thanks heaps in advance.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

why do you think... muscle mags...tell people that training methologies like rest-pause..forced reps.... drop sets, changing exercises... annilating body parts changes shape and enhanced muscle size beyond straight-sets??

[Ronnie Rowland]

why do you think... Muscle mags...tell people that training methologies like rest-pause..forced reps.... Drop sets, changing exercises... Annilating body parts changes shape and enhanced muscle size beyond straight-sets?? you cannot change the shape of your muscles, only enhance what you are born with. Muscle magazines do have some good information in them from time to time but they are mostly written with an intent to sell. Some people tend to get impatient with their progress and out of desperation they jump on every new training technique that is written about even though they are not as effective as staying with straight sets. The younger generation in particular actually believe a lot of this hogwash that is written. I run into this at gyms very very often.

If various training methods beyond straight sets had the ability to help people break plateaus then i would be encouraging everyone to do a different training method each time they walked into the gym. In a nutshell, the human body does not operate that way and anyone who believes it does needs to get honest with themselves. The best basketball players in the world shoot the ball using the same technique over-and-over again. The best quarter backs, punters and field goal kickers in football use the same techniques over- and- over again. It's their consistency, genetic ability,determination and perseverance that make them a champion and the same rule applies to bodybuilding! straight sets are always the absolute best way to make a muscle grow. obtaining a massive temporary blood pump with methods like strip sets is not comparable in terms of stimulating the type-2 muscle fibers!

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

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so...i take it you agree with phil hernon "All in all............you cant change your structure.........you just cant.....unless you are not training correctly.......or carrying too much fat in those areas......but your shape is set in stone. You may try syntherol like everyone else uses to bring up lagging body parts for competition time. Pre exhaustion, one light, one heavy, drop sets, rest pause, pause rest, 5 times a week, no times a week, it will never change it, so focus on things you can change."

[Ronnie Rowland]

so...i take it you agree with phil hernon "All in all............you cant change your structure.........you just cant.....unless you are not training correctly.......or carrying too much fat in those areas......but your shape is set in stone. You may try syntherol like everyone else uses to bring up lagging body parts for competition time. Pre exhaustion, one light, one heavy, drop sets, rest pause, pause rest, 5 times a week, no times a week, it will never change it, so focus on things you can change."

Phil is 100% correct!

[Ronnie Rowland]

awesome post ronnie,
iv been browsing around the forum for sometime now, finally registered now...

Interesting method you have, makes sense to me however find it hard to let go of what i am used to. Anyways iv convinced myself to try it now but have a few questions to finalise my cycle. Basically its my 3rd cycle (first 2 were basic test e/deca cycles, worked ok but not the greatest combo for me i guess) im looking to gain some good decent size but not too much fat, to be honest i wud love to stay lean (the tricky part) whilst not affecting muscle gain.

Here is a snapshot of what i have jotted down so far, basically i am thinking of a d-bol, test e, tren (a or e not sure need help deciding), go with tren enanthate! Eq and a 4 week pct. The cycle will span across 16 on weeks following the 8week reload 2 weeks deload method you mentioned.... Here's the plan: you will want to run a 20 week cycle (2-8 week reloads and 2-2 week deloads)

ok so i need to finalise a few things, what tren would u recommend? Tren enanthate all the way! I havent used it before, also what dosages to fit into the graph shown above. run it at 400 mgs per week (two weekly shots) during weeks 1-8 and 11-18. Get off of it during deloads.secondly during weeks 9-10 the deload weeks, is it ok if i stop tacking my injections the way shown and maybe say hit 20mged of nolvadex for the 2 weeks or hcg etc before starting up again as shown? Or shud i say keep taking some test/tren etc? keep in 300 mgs of test e during deloads and drop the rest of the anabolics. reload 1-run test/tren/d-bol for 8 weeks. Reload 2 run /test/tren/eqfinally i was thinking bought introducing t3 towards the end to help cut up if it looks as though im bulking too much, what would you recommend to incorporate it without impacting muscle too much 50 mcgs per day max on t-3. I would not take t-3, just cut back on carbs/fats and increase cardio. T-3 is a pre-contest drug for most unless they are endomorph or female. Increase cardio as well to lower body fat. Moderate intensity cardio will not eat away at muscle like t-3 has been noted to do for some because moderate cardio burns mostly body fat when done right where as t-3 burns fats, carbs and protein! I see no value in screwing around with thyroid gland unless absolutely needed. ???

Thanks heaps in advance.

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[mass_iv]

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Thanks Ronnie much neater.
What you think about the dosages of test e? shud i keep them steady at 500mg for both the 8 week reloads or up them to 750 after the 4 week mark each reload??

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie

Just wanna let you know, I'll be starting my slingshot cycling on the 2nd of May.
I originally plan to use deca for my second reload, but due to kinda bad financial situation at the moment, I've decided not waste money buying deca instead i'll just use all the leftover in my stash which are testosterone and dbol.

My 20 weeks cycle will be:

- Week 1-8 = 500mg test ew
- Week 9-10 = 250mg test ew
- Week 11-18 = 500mg test ew + 35mg dbol ed
- Week 19-20 = 250mg test ew

PCT will be trying Dr Scally's PCT similar to the one you recommend in this thread, but I made some modification to the nolva dosing:

HCG
- Day 1-15 = 2500iu eod for a total of 8 injections
*The reason why i decided not to use hcg during the cycle is because i want to try the full pct as a comparison, but for the cycle after this one I will be using hcg throughout.

Clomid
- Day 1-30 = 100mg ed

Nolva
- Day 1-15 = 40mg ed <- The reason for this because I once read a research that says 20mg tamoxifen bi-daily completely abolish the desensitizing effect of hcg. So the first 15 days while taking HCG I decided to take a little more nolva, for precaution to protect my leydig cells.
- Day 16-45 = 20mg ed <- Decided to go all the way to day 45 like the original Power PCT. Not too sure if its necessary to go all the way to day 45 or should I just stop on day 30?

What do you think man? Should I modify anything?

One more thing which one do u think is actually "healthier" or "less damaging" to the body, using hcg throughout the entire 20 weeks cycle, or leave the hcg for later and just do a full pct?
and if someone decides to go for a 30-40 weeks cycle or even a 1-year cycle, is it safe to use hcg for that long period of time, or its better to leave it for later and just do a full restart once the cycle is done?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie

just wanna let you know, i'll be starting my slingshot cycling on the 2nd of may. great!
i originally plan to use deca for my second reload, but due to kinda bad financial situation at the moment, i've decided not waste money buying deca instead i'll just use all the leftover in my stash which are testosterone and dbol. that will work!

my 20 weeks cycle will be: looks fine to me

- week 1-8 = 500mg test ew
- week 9-10 = 250mg test ew
- week 11-18 = 500mg test ew + 35mg dbol ed
- week 19-20 = 250mg test ew

pct will be trying dr scally's pct similar to the one you recommend in this thread, but i made some modification to the nolva dosing:

Hcg
- day 1-15 = 2500iu eod for a total of 8 injections
*the reason why i decided not to use hcg during the cycle is because i want to try the full pct as a comparison, but for the cycle after this one i will be using hcg throughout. not a problem
clomid
- day 1-30 = 100mg ed

nolva
- day 1-15 = 40mg ed <- the reason for this because i once read a research that says 20mg tamoxifen bi-daily completely abolish the desensitizing effect of hcg. i doubt that but once a day is fine so the first 15 days while taking hcg i decided to take a little more nolva, for precaution to protect my leydig cells.
- day 16-45 = 20mg ed <- decided to go all the way to day 45 like the original power pct. Not too sure if its necessary to go all the way to day 45 or should i just stop on day 30? 30 days will suffice

what do you think man? Should i modify anything? i think you are okay

one more thing which one do u think is actually "healthier" or "less damaging" to the body, using hcg throughout the entire 20 weeks cycle, or leave the hcg for later and just do a full pct? use hcg later after cycles
and if someone decides to go for a 30-40 weeks cycle or even a 1-year cycle, is it safe to use hcg for that long period of time, or its better to leave it for later and just do a full restart once the cycle is done? i would not use hcg for one year straight. It's best to use it periodically imo

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks ronnie much neater.
What you think about the dosages of test e? Shud i keep them steady at 500mg for both the 8 week reloads or up them to 750 after the 4 week mark each reload??

stay at 500 mgs for entire first 8 week reload and at 750 mgs for entire second 8 week reload. There's no value whatsover in increasing dosages at 4 week mark as that's just the opposite of front loading (which in fact does have value)!

[bigron164]

Im doing 400 mg enhantate 600 mg eq 300 mg primo a week, how's that cycle sound