Steroids and protein intake.

[Ronnie Rowland]

In the Mr. Olympia Video I watched a few weeks ago Dexter Jackson was doing his part of the video and while making a Nitro Tech shake the Camera guy Mitz who is the japanese guy who does all the videos asked him aout Protein consumption and he only takes in between 300-350 a day and he weighs close to 300# in the off season So even he is only taking ion just over 1Gpp of BW

If that be the case, then he could get by with cutting back to around 175 grams of protein per day during a deload. Protein requirements, like carb and fat requirements, can vary from one person to the next. But, whose to say Dexter couldn't get even bigger/leaner using 500-600 grams of protein per day during a reload?!?!?

I still believe based upon what I have seen throughout the years that it's best to err on the side of too much protein during a reload (higher volume training phase) if you want to maximize lean muscle gains.

[RusselGaint]

Hi Ronnie, I like the post and find it very intersting. What fats do you eat in your protein/fat meals?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie, I like the post and find it very intersting. What fats do you eat in your protein/fat meals?

I prefer:

Extra virgin olive oil on various white meats-chicken, fish and such. I like macadamia nut oil as well. Dave Palumbo sells this nutty flavored macadamia oil at species nutrition. It's a bit more expensive than extra virgin olive oil but taste awesome. My wife loves the stuff!!!

Cashews halves (I especially like these on large green leaf romaine salads with quite a bit of olive oil and some parmesean cheese to top it off. I add meats sometimes as well -canned meat and meat just baked or grilled. The ones with sea salt are very addictive.

Emerald's chocolate almonds are delicious.

Macadamia nuts are good. I prefer MAUNA LOA brand from walmart.

I eat a ton of smart balance peanut butter. It's especially good in my cookies and cream-isolate whey protein shakes. Just add water, and an ice cube to the protein powder and peanut butter- stir and it make a great healthy desert. I use a spoon to eat the left over peanut butter at the bottom. My wifes favorite healthy desert!!!

Whole *****-3 enriched eggs. I like egglands best.

Walnuts are good.

Avocados are good.

I get some some saturated fats from eggs, cheese and red meat (lean red meats unless cheat meal).

[stpete]

Very informative and definetely something to think about. Thanks Ronnie.

[CaliPhotog]

Just wanted to say thanks, and give you props for a great post. Awesome read and something that I never considered. Thanks!

[RusselGaint]

Thanks ronnie for your information!

[dariush]

tanx ronnie
u said to use protein & carb after workout when we on cutting cycle can run pro & carb together after workout?

[Ronnie Rowland]

tanx ronnie
u said to use protein & carb after workout when we on cutting cycle can run pro & carb together after workout?

Yes! Combine them both post-workout so the insulin produced from the carbs will push the amino acids derived from the protein into the muscle cells.

[triad200]

Superb info... thanks Ronnie. Sounds like deloading is preventing the body from adapting by temporarily:

• reducing workout volume
• reducing protein

So my question is: would the same logic apply to levels of AAS? For instance, if I'm running 1g/week for 12 weeks, should I drop that down during the deload week? I'm thinking receptor saturation / body adjusting to high levels of exogenous test. Who knows, maybe this doesn't make sense to do. (Then again, I wouldn't have thought deloading made sense either before reading this thread!)

[Ronnie Rowland]

Superb info... thanks Ronnie. Sounds like deloading is preventing the body from adapting by temporarily:

• reducing workout volume
• reducing protein

So my question is: would the same logic apply to levels of AAS? For instance, if I'm running 1g/week for 12 weeks, should I drop that down during the deload week? I'm thinking receptor saturation / body adjusting to high levels of exogenous test. Who knows, maybe this doesn't make sense to do. (Then again, I wouldn't have thought deloading made sense either before reading this thread!)

The way to make adjustments with test enanthate would be to reduce the dosage fter 8 weeks of reloading.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Don't forget your hyperinsulinemia meals for added mass!

You have the option of adding 1 hyperinsulinemia meal (combining saturated carbs and hi gi carbs) once a day. I think most know that Dave Palumbo was known for going to McDonalds once a day and eating fries and burgers for his once a day hyperinsulinemia meal. The rest of his off-season diet consisted of separating carbs and fats to a large degree. Dave's super fast metabolism allowed him to eat a large high calorie meal composed of both fats/carbs on a daily basis. Obvioulsy, not everyone has the metabolic rate to do this. But, if you do have a fast metabolism I would take in this hyper meal either for breakfast in the form of something like whole eggs and pancakes/waffles or during an evening meal post workout for something like red meat and potatoes. Some have such a slow metabolic rate they have to limit hyperinsulin meals to 1-3 times per week. Eat to match your metabolism!

Carbs and fats will be eaten together in one to seven meal per weeks (hyperinsulinemia meal) as opposed to separating them like you should in a cutting phase. Combining fats and carbs in some of the same meals during an off-season blast will create a better muscle building effect and increase energy output so you can lift heavier weights. Increased insulin levels obtained by combining hi gi carbs and saturated fats during a blasting mass phase will suppress the muscle wasting hormone cortisol which induces protein synthesis. Elevated insulin levels will also down regulate SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin). High SHBG levels are one of the main culprits when testosterone is no longer working in conjunction with a good training program. SHBG prevents testosterone from fitting into the receptors. (Bound testosterone) equals about 97-99 percent of total testosterone circulation while (free testosterone) equals about 1-3 percent of total test. When SHGB levels are kept low it allows free testosterone to fit into the receptor and make muscles grow at a faster rate. Therefore, making a low carb diet or low fat diet, less than optimal during a bulking up phase! There's no value in mixing a lot of carbs and fat together in one meal (except the once daily hyperinsulinemia meal) because doing so will slow down the digestive tract and cause bloating-hence preventing you from eating enough clean foods to put on size! It can also cause cause health problems and fat gain. My definition of "hyperinsulinemia" is simpy an insulin spike to the utmost from combining carbs and saturated fats in the same meal

[Tarheel]

Wow! What an awesome article. This is the most informative article that I have read on this forum! I have never heard of it before but am going to try it out starting next week. Thanks dude!

[organized_konfusion]

Amazing read....thanks for the awesome info.

[Bulkn]

+1 Great Stuff!!!
now, when would be the best time to start a cycle of test E? mid reload?
im planning on doing 4 weeks reload, 1 week deload.

[Ronnie Rowland]

+1 Great Stuff!!!
now, when would be the best time to start a cycle of test E? mid reload?
im planning on doing 4 weeks reload, 1 week deload.

Before I can answer-are you planning on running anything else with the test enanthate or is it a test only cycle? If it is just a test cycle how long do you plan on running it?

[Bulkn]

test E only. looking at 11 weeks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

test E only. looking at 11 weeks.

A standard approach for the not so advanced bodybuilder would be to use 750 mgs each week throughout the entire 11 weeks. In other words no changes in dosages would be made during deloads and reloads.

For a very advanced bodybuilder (not sure which category you fall in?) they can get good results by super-saturating their receptors for brief periods and then decreasing dosages before side effects begin to out-weigh the benefits. Below is a sample of how one could super-saturate receptor sites during reloads for 12 weeks using a 4 week reload/1 week deload protocol-

Note: In this scenario test is reduced for 2 weeks after having reloaded for 2 weeks!

[B]
Week 1-8 (reload)-500 grams of test enathate on Monday,Wednesday,Friday
Week 9-10 (deload)-250 grams of test enathate on Monday

[Ronnie Rowland]

Several members have pmed me regarding the deload and carb-up/cheat meals: You should still continue with carb-up/cheat meals when you are deloading. Keep protein intake around half of the reload during these times!