Who believes in evolution?

[MuscleScience]

See and that is what bothers me. We can't figure something out now, so we'll just put it down to God in the mean time..

If you can come up with a better answer, then by all means.

[Flagg]

If you can come up with a better answer, then by all means.

Im surprised at you mate, that is such an ignorant answer. You would rather be ignorant than enlightened? I can't find my car keys right now. I better put that down to God.

[DSM4Life]

Im surprised at you mate, that is such an ignorant answer. You would rather be ignorant than enlightened? I can't find my car keys right now. I better put that down to God.

Pray to St. Anthony, he helps you find things.

[Flagg]

EVERY point you have made is false




Will your science comfort you in this time of anger???

No, Science is NOT a religion. Literally, it is not one. Religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth. (from wikipedia). Science does not resemble that in any way, shape or form.

Name me ONE PEACEFUL RELIGION. Name one religion that exists today that hasn't persecuted others throughout history, that hasn't made slaves and playthings of women, that hasn't murdered. Name me one.

Heaven is a myth.

Ahh, so you concede that you think the Big Bang is real? Even Science isn't 100% convinced on the Big Bang theory, but science, unlike religion, is an open method. Its prepared to evolve, to find other possibilities. Not one absolute.

You can keep your faith. I'll trust in science to save my relatives or loved ones from dying of cancer in the future. Praying wont do much for them and you know it.

When im angry, I dont look to a make believe figure in the sky as a security blanket. I deal with it like a man and move on.

[MuscleScience]

Im surprised at you mate, that is such an ignorant answer. You would rather be ignorant than enlightened? I can't find my car keys right now. I better put that down to God.

You can take any argument I make that I feel stronger that there is a god or supreme maker since I have became more educated to the life sciences and twist it by saying that because I dont know now that I simple chalk it up to God. I make up an excuse because I dont know, as you did in your previous post. So the only counter argument is for you to give me a plausible answer to the alternative. To me that was not ignorant, how can I argue with someone that is not impartial. That would be ignorant.

And I am surprised that you would call me ignorant.

[Flagg]

You can take any argument I make that I feel stronger that there is a god or supreme maker since I have became more educated to the life sciences and twist it by saying that because I dont know now that I simple chalk it up to God. I make up an excuse because I dont know, as you did in your previous post. So the only counter argument is for you to give me a plausible answer to the alternative. To me that was not ignorant, how can I argue with someone that is not impartial. That would be ignorant.

And I am surprised that you would call me ignorant.

I am surprised that someone who has studied science would simply chalk the unknown down to "God works in mysterious ways".

Human pioneering will forever educate us and show us what lies behind the curtain.

And im one of the most unbias people I know, except when it comes to the subject of religion. I've never seen Gods love once in the things men do to each other. Its barbaric and penny pinching.

[peteroy01]

i hated it when i worked on the ambulance and would save somebody and would get to the ER and the family would already be there and they would say "thank god". it was so hard to bite my tongue cause the only reason they lived cause i pounded on his chest for 20min and cracked his ribs and loaded him up with drugs, not god saying "ye shall live." they should thank science, not god. im done venting.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

i hated it when i worked on the ambulance and would save somebody and would get to the ER and the family would already be there and they would say "thank god". it was so hard to bite my tongue cause the only reason they lived cause i pounded on his chest for 20min and cracked his ribs and loaded him up with drugs, not god saying "ye shall live." they should thank science, not god. im done venting.

well, god put you in that position to be able to help.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Pray to St. Anthony, he helps you find things.

LOL, I went to a private middle school, and thats all I remember. Before we did anything, we prayed to some saint haha. There is like a million of them, all for different reasons, from helping me not choke on my lunch to keeping the roads safe for field trips

[MuscleScience]

I am surprised that someone who has studied science would simply chalk the unknown down to "God works in mysterious ways".

Human pioneering will forever educate us and show us what lies behind the curtain.

And im one of the most unbias people I know, except when it comes to the subject of religion. I've never seen Gods love once in the things men do to each other. Its barbaric and penny pinching.

Thats the thing, I dont.....

LOL, I have spent countless hours pondering this subject. The machinery of life is so intelligently designed it is almost impossible to look at how even a single simple cell organism can survive, replicate, adapt..ect and not think to yourself that there was intelligence at work. I am not saying that there is a God or one God. There are things in the Universe that defy science and religion alike.

Do I think the Theory of Evolution is a good and valid description for how life changes, Yes. Do I think it can explain how life began completely, not entirely. I know as well as anyone that genetically there is evidence that there was one common ancestor to all life on earth. I sure has hell dont believe life on Earth started 10,000 years ago. I do not think creationism should be taught in school, my own belief on and intelligent design I based off my own personal revelations.

I am about as science minded as anyone out there. Because of that I keep an open mind about the alternative to human science and technology. I dont think there is a valid argument out there to discount completely the existence of a God or Supreme Being.

["Maximus"]

No, Science is NOT a religion. Literally, it is not one. Religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth. (from wikipedia). Science does not resemble that in any way, shape or form.

Name me ONE PEACEFUL RELIGION. Name one religion that exists today that hasn't persecuted others throughout history, that hasn't made slaves and playthings of women, that hasn't murdered. Name me one.

Heaven is a myth.

Ahh, so you concede that you think the Big Bang is real? Even Science isn't 100% convinced on the Big Bang theory, but science, unlike religion, is an open method. Its prepared to evolve, to find other possibilities. Not one absolute.

You can keep your faith. I'll trust in science to save my relatives or loved ones from dying of cancer in the future. Praying wont do much for them and you know it.

When im angry, I dont look to a make believe figure in the sky as a security blanket. I deal with it like a man and move on.

Do you really want an answer for this? It seems like you are more interested in proving a point than honestly reason/find an answer to your questions rather..

Look, I won't get in the "Science vs. Religion" bandwagon debate because it won't serve anyone of us of no good.. I am an science bound guy.. I am an Engineer.. And I had to go through physics, math, and chemistry and I have to agree with others here on the complexity, beauty, and intelligence found on every living thing.. It resembles among other things, the love and intelligence of someone who obviously is GREATER than all the minds that have lived through history or are alive in these days, put together..

Even on my field, we look up to nature to better our current designs or plain simply imitate the intelligent design found in nature.. And no, this is not about promoting creationism either!

But if you really want to find an answer to your questions...

Just do a search on WWI and Religion and WWII and Nazi's concentration camps... And no, this is not about/has nothing to do with the Jews that unjustly died and were persecuted at the hands of Nazi Hitler!

[Flagg]

Do you really want an answer for this? It seems like you are more interested in proving a point than honestly reason/find an answer to your questions rather..

Look, I won't get in the "Science vs. Religion" bandwagon debate because it won't serve anyone of us of no good.. I am an science bound guy.. I am an Engineer.. And I had to go through physics, math, and chemistry and I have to agree with others here on the complexity, beauty, and intelligence that is the resemblance of someone who obviously is GREATER than all the minds that have lived through history or are alive in these days, put together..

Even on my field, we look up to nature to better our current designs or plain simply imitate the intelligent design found in nature.. And no, this is not about promoting creationism either!

But if you really want to find an answer to your questions...

Just do a search on WWI and Religion and WWII and Nazi's concentration camps... And no, this is not about/has nothing to do with the Jews that unjustly died and were persecuted at the hands of Nazi Hitler!

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

[MuscleScience]

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

Atheism is just as dangerous. Stalin practically destroyed all Russian religious monuments. Stalin put people in concentration camps, Stalin deported and uprooted ethinic minorities by the millions to Siberia, Stalin may have killed as many people as Hitler according to some historians. Mao in China, again Like Stalin Purged religion from society. Mao killed un-told amounts of people in his madness.

The point is that religion itself isnt evil or dangerous. It is the people who have hatred in their hearts that are dangerous.

[rockinred]

I am surprised that someone who has studied science would simply chalk the unknown down to "God works in mysterious ways".

Human pioneering will forever educate us and show us what lies behind the curtain.

And im one of the most unbias people I know, except when it comes to the subject of religion. I've never seen Gods love once in the things men do to each other. Its barbaric and penny pinching.

Flagg,

You called MS ignorant because he stated he believes in an intelligent design or however you want to put it. When you think about it and think objectively, your statement is more ignorant because you automatically believe that someone who studies science automatically equates to not believing in God or a God.

I think you are from the UK, but some of the US's greatest scientists throughout history believed in a God. Such as Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, etc.. You will also find that many who start to study the complexity of science convert to that belief. As many that do believe there is equally as many that don't believe. It is never ending.

I find it humorous that someone can believe that aliens planted humans as some project, yet think that a belief in a God is silly.

Either way Flagg, we have been down this road before and I think you are a pretty intelligent man, I just think that we will disagree on this subject.

[peteroy01]

well, god put you in that position to be able to help.

ur god you speak of gave everyone free will did he not? so he did nothing, i put myself in that situation to help someone. did God put me in iraq to kill people too? how can u say god put someone here to do good but dont mention his name when someone does something evil?

[rockinred]

ur god you speak of gave everyone free will did he not? so he did nothing, i put myself in that situation to help someone. did God put me in iraq to kill people too? how can u say god put someone here to do good but dont mention his name when someone does something evil?

Because you misunderstand what the meaning of good and evil are.

While I think that as a person you make your own choices and God does not force people to do either.

But let me explain it to you like this. Do you believe there is a contrast between the two terms of good and evil like you stated above? Let me explain that when a person decides to do an act of goodness toward others, then they are acting on God's behalf because that is God's will. Now if you choose to murder someone and chop them up and eat them, then you are acting evil and on behalf of the opposer the evil one. You alone are making the acts, not God. How would you even know you did something evil if it were not God who let you understand that killing and eating your baby is evil and wrong?.

[peteroy01]

Because you misunderstand what the meaning of good and evil are.

While I think that as a person you make your own choices and God does not force people to do either.

But let me explain it to you like this. Do you believe there is a contrast between the two terms of good and evil like you stated above? Let me explain that when a person decides to do an act of goodness toward others, then they are acting on God's behalf because that is God's will. Now if you choose to murder someone and chop them up and eat them, then you are acting evil and on behalf of the opposer the evil one. You alone are making the acts, not God. How would you even know you did something evil if it were not God who let you understand that killing and eating your baby is evil and wrong?.

u can plug in about any 2 words you want-good or bad, right or wrong.......i believe that u dont need a god to have morals. i dont have anything to do with god but i have morals. its called a conscious. and a conscious isnt an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other. but now we are getting into physiology and i really dont know enough about it to have an educated discussion about it. but your point is made on your side and they are good but i just dont buy it.

["Maximus"]

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

[Flagg]

Flagg,

You called MS ignorant because he stated he believes in an intelligent design or however you want to put it. When you think about it and think objectively, your statement is more ignorant because you automatically believe that someone who studies science automatically equates to not believing in God or a God.

I think you are from the UK, but some of the US's greatest scientists throughout history believed in a God. Such as Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, etc.. You will also find that many who start to study the complexity of science convert to that belief. As many that do believe there is equally as many that don't believe. It is never ending.

I find it humorous that someone can believe that aliens planted humans as some project, yet think that a belief in a God is silly.

Either way Flagg, we have been down this road before and I think you are a pretty intelligent man, I just think that we will disagree on this subject.

Yeah you're right, I was probably a little harsh to call MS ignorant and I appologise to MS about that. Religion I have to admit gets my blood boiling from time to time and I didn't take the time to fully read into what he said about Intelligent Design, which of course is feasible, so again I appologise to MS for not reading!

And you're right, this is a debate without ending. Maybe in a thousand years time they'd be answers, but none of us will be here then so I guess we'll have to content ourselves on what we consider right and wrong.

I would argue that due to the nature of the times, people were more religious then...Darwin, even though he was considered a heretic, believed in a Christian version of God.

Haha, its not me that personally believes in Alien Intervention, it was a nod towards what BJJ believes in.

[Flagg]

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

Yeah, I don't mean to come off as patronising or rude, Godwins Law is a principle that suggests that any debate, one based on something as simple as "what do you prefer: Coke or Pepsi" will eventually lead to WW II Nazism.

Well naturally Kevlar is produced using certain elements and chemistry. I think what baffles everyone, and religious and non religious people will surely all agree, is no one knows, or will ever know, what came first. Its the ultimate Chicken and the Egg question. I can say the Universe has always existed, but I would be countered by "well something must have created it, so surely it was God"...I could argue then "Where did God come from before the Universe, what was there before the Universe and how did he come into being?", it's just a vicious circle.

Some things are probably just never going to be known or answered.

[BJJ]

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

Remember you wote that.

[MuscleScience]

Yeah you're right, I was probably a little harsh to call MS ignorant and I appologise to MS about that. Religion I have to admit gets my blood boiling from time to time and I didn't take the time to fully read into what he said about Intelligent Design, which of course is feasible, so again I appologise to MS for not reading!

And you're right, this is a debate without ending. Maybe in a thousand years time they'd be answers, but none of us will be here then so I guess we'll have to content ourselves on what we consider right and wrong.

I would argue that due to the nature of the times, people were more religious then...Darwin, even though he was considered a heretic, believed in a Christian version of God.

Haha, its not me that personally believes in Alien Intervention, it was a nod towards what BJJ believes in.

Its all good Flagg, I didnt take offense. I can tell your passionate...

[*El Diablo*]

I love Threads like these..... I am not educated enough in this field to give my 2c but i love to see and hear different opinions from people..

I believe that there is a higher being... But i dont believe its G-D or Allah etc, Even though ive been brought up bye Judism do i still choose to believe in what i feel is right in my mind.

[lovbyts]

Yeah you're right, I was probably a little harsh to call MS ignorant and I appologise to MS about that. Religion I have to admit gets my blood boiling from time to time and I didn't take the time to fully read into what he said about Intelligent Design, which of course is feasible, so again I appologise to MS for not reading!

And you're right, this is a debate without ending. Maybe in a thousand years time they'd be answers, but none of us will be here then so I guess we'll have to content ourselves on what we consider right and wrong.

I would argue that due to the nature of the times, people were more religious then...Darwin, even though he was considered a heretic, believed in a Christian version of God.

Haha, its not me that personally believes in Alien Intervention, it was a nod towards what BJJ believes in.

How is that any more crazy that the other idea and also what about people like me who believe in Alien intervention, Evolution/adaptation and God all at the same time?

I think there is room for all of it. Who says God only created us? I love getting into that argument with my mom (very religious) Every time she say NO he only created us because he son only died for our sins I say Ohh so you are putting limitations on what God can do? hehehehehe

[BJJ]

How is that any more crazy that the other idea and also what about people like me who believe in Alien intervention, Evolution/adaptation and God all at the same time?

I think there is room for all of it. Who says God only created us? I love getting into that argument with my mom (very religious) Every time she say NO he only created us because he son only died for our sins I say Ohh so you are putting limitations on what God can do? hehehehehe

You mom needs a gift from you:

"The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read"

In many fields debatable, but surely speaks the truth about religions.

[lovbyts]

You mom needs a gift from you:

"The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read"

In many fields debatable, but surely speaks the truth about religions.

No she is way beyond that. At least she is not a huge bible thumper and it's all she talks about but she is firm in her believe and that's fine, she is 85 and not hurting anyone with it and it's not like it's a cult or black magic or anything. Now if it was black magic it would be more fun though. LOL

My mom would NEVER read a book like that, when it comes to religion she is very closed minded like most people. They can not find room for any other explanations and think if someone does not believe exactly like them they are going straight to hell. LOL

OBVIOUSLY I was raised in a Christian home, went to church 3x - 4x a week. I even use to play the piano for one of our church's, even though I sucked. LOL I remember even at age 5 or 6 I realized most of the people where hypocrites although I didnt know the proper term and although I understood and believed a lot of what was taught I though there was more to it than what they said and didnt believe one book had all the answers.

[BJJ]

No she is way beyond that. At least she is not a huge bible thumper and it's all she talks about but she is firm in her believe and that's fine, she is 85 and not hurting anyone with it and it's not like it's a cult or black magic or anything. Now if it was black magic it would be more fun though. LOL

My mom would NEVER read a book like that, when it comes to religion she is very closed minded like most people. They can not find room for any other explanations and think if someone does not believe exactly like them they are going straight to hell. LOL

OBVIOUSLY I was raised in a Christian home, went to church 3x - 4x a week. I even use to play the piano for one of our church's, even though I sucked. LOL I remember even at age 5 or 6 I realized most of the people where hypocrites although I didnt know the proper term and although I understood and believed a lot of what was taught I though there was more to it than what they said and didnt believe on book had all the answers.

It happened the same to me, so I understand you.

[chicmagnet]

If we evolved from Apes how come there are still Apes?? How many Girrafes died before a valve "evolved" in their neck to restrict blood flow to the head when they bent over? How many Bombadere Beetles exploded before the mixture of chemicals in their abdomen "evolved" into seperate chambers to be mixed when required?? How come every spec of dust on a butterflys wings is a shaped like a perfect feather similar to a birds feathers?? I'm sorry I believe to believe in evolution is just an excuse to resist creation.

[Flagg]

How is that any more crazy that the other idea and also what about people like me who believe in Alien intervention, Evolution/adaptation and God all at the same time?

I think there is room for all of it. Who says God only created us? I love getting into that argument with my mom (very religious) Every time she say NO he only created us because he son only died for our sins I say Ohh so you are putting limitations on what God can do? hehehehehe

Because there is more evidence to support the theory of evolution than there is for Creationism or Alien Intervention, like it or not.

[Flagg]

If we evolved from Apes how come there are still Apes?? How many Girrafes died before a valve "evolved" in their neck to restrict blood flow to the head when they bent over? How many Bombadere Beetles exploded before the mixture of chemicals in their abdomen "evolved" into seperate chambers to be mixed when required?? How come every spec of dust on a butterflys wings is a shaped like a perfect feather similar to a birds feathers?? I'm sorry I believe to believe in evolution is just an excuse to resist creation.

OMG, if dogs decended from Wolves, why are there still wolves?? If God made us from the mud of the earth, why is there still mud? If rocks are crushed into stones, why are there still rocks? Etc.

All animals including us have great genetic variation which leads to Natural Selection. A population gets bigger, and naturally migrates. For instance, say a tribe of fair skinned people traveled to a very hot climate, those people with darker skin would be more likely to survive thereby passing on their dark skinned genes and eventually weeding out the fair skinned people.

Evolution occurs when it's necessary to the species to survive in the new environment it finds itself in.

By the way, Science has never claimed that humans evolved from chimps. We share something like 99% of the same DNA which suggests that we both have a common ancestor.

Again, by your reckoning God must have created domesticated dogs and cats as well, I mean there are still wolves and tigers/lions, correct? Very conveniant of God to do that. But I bet creationists dont believe animals have a soul..

[Bull_Nuts]

No, Science is NOT a religionAGAIN...i was not being literal. Literally, it is not oneYes I said that. Religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth. (from wikipedia). Science does not resemble that in any way, shape or form.All I was trying to express is that it is YOUR way of understanding your your life, meaning and all of existance

Name me ONE PEACEFUL RELIGIONTrue religion...christianity anyway...from the teachings of Jesus Christ is indeed peacefull...what man has done with it is what makes it un-peacefull . Name one religion that exists today that hasn't persecuted others throughout history, that hasn't made slaves and playthings of women, that hasn't murdered. Name me one.

Heaven is a myth.proove it science boy!

Ahh, so you concede that you think the Big Bang is real? Um....If I have faith that in god...and I feel god created science...wouldn't i then believe science is real??? ugh YEA! You are probably asking yourself how could i remotely believe that with the whole adam and eve thing...well...much of the bible, I believe, is a metaphor...obviously...what else could it be my incestuous brotherEven Science isn't 100% convinced on the Big Bang theory, but science, unlike religion, is an open methodOk then...Im confused....isn't your argument that science is absolute? Irregardless of the mechanism of proof? . Its prepared to evolveThough I love science...I am not an expert by any stretch...BUT...it seems to me anyway that every single thing in this world, in this galaxy, in this universe, infinity and beyond is what it is ALREADY...how, why or what humans have done to discover it and/or understand it is the only "open method" , to find other possibilities. Not one absolute.Science IS absolute...see definition

You can keep your faith. I'll trust in science to save my relatives or loved ones from dying of cancer in the future. I too will trust in science(afterall...I am in the healthcare industry) Praying wont do much for them and you know it.And what happens when science can't save you?

When im angry, I dont look to a make believe figure in the sky as a security blanket. I deal with it like a man and move on.So im not a man for believing in god? And who ever said god was a figure in the "sky"???

Bold....

You question me on my knowledge of religion and insinuate that I am ignorant...I do not claim to have extensive knowledge in theology or science...my knowledge is only to the extent of my own curious studies and findings...I try to take the perspective of practicality

It amuses me how you support all of your scientific knowledge with childish nonsensical insults ...i mean...lets be realistic and rational...since that falls under your religion,oops, i mean science...

Main Entry: sci·ence
Pronunciation: \ˈsī-ən(t)s\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin scientia, from scient-, sciens having knowledge, from present participle of scire to know; perhaps akin to Sanskrit chyati he cuts off, Latin scindere to split — more at shed
Date: 14th century
1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
2 a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study <the science of theology> b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge <have it down to a science>
3 a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : natural science
4 : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws <cooking is both a science and an art>
5 capitalized : christian science

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

OMG, if dogs decended from Wolves, why are there still wolves?? If God made us from the mud of the earth, why is there still mud? If rocks are crushed into stones, why are there still rocks? Etc.

All animals including us have great genetic variation which leads to Natural Selection. A population gets bigger, and naturally migrates. For instance, say a tribe of fair skinned people traveled to a very hot climate, those people with darker skin would be more likely to survive thereby passing on their dark skinned genes and eventually weeding out the fair skinned people.

Evolution occurs when it's necessary to the species to survive in the new environment it finds itself in.

By the way, Science has never claimed that humans evolved from chimps. We share something like 99% of the same DNA which suggests that we both have a common ancestor.

Again, by your reckoning God must have created domesticated dogs and cats as well, I mean there are still wolves and tigers/lions, correct? Very conveniant of God to do that. But I bet creationists dont believe animals have a soul..

haha bingo! I love you in these threads!

Its late and I don't feel like typing, but everyone knows how I feel about this topic.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

"And what happens when science can't save you?"

LOL uuhhh, you die and become part of the carbon cycle like every other living organism on the planet!

dddddduuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh

[DSM4Life]

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

We need BuffedGuy back!

[Bull_Nuts]

"And what happens when science can't save you?"

LOL uuhhh, you die and become part of the carbon cycle like every other living organism on the planet! arn't we already "part of the carbon cycle"????

dddddduuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh

EXACTLY....so worst case senario...i become fertilizer....best case senario....eternal life in heaven...or hell if Im not carefull!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

EXACTLY....so worst case senario...i become fertilizer....best case senario....eternal life in heaven...or hell if Im not carefull!

So you are just using religion/god as a security blanket?

lol, thats real good/christian like. hey god, you're just in my back pocket just incase shit hits the fan...haha Im sure he will love that.

[Bull_Nuts]

So you are just using religion/god as a security blanket?

lol, thats real good/christian like. hey god, you're just in my back pocket just incase shit hits the fan...haha Im sure he will love that.

NO....he is in my front pocket...so interpret it as you like....as far as you're concerned, im just appeasing you...

[Flagg]

I've decided to come up with a third option as neither people that believe in magic or people that can't explain the missing link can agree.

What do you get if you cross a monkey with a pig? Look in the mirror. We know we have 99% of the same DNA as a chimpanzee, but we are remarkably close to pigs as well. Pig organs are compatible with human systems, a lot of farm pigs are the only animals on the planet that have the same colour pigmant as white people. Even in cannibal societies, humans are known as "long pig".

Prehaps millions years ago, a monkey buttfvcked a pig and the result was humans.

I mean why can't this be feasible? It does away with the missing link and the supernatural so prehaps this should be taught in schools. And seeing as I don't have a shred of evidence to back this up, i'll just believe it all the more passionately.

[BJJ]

I like the way you behold things...