The mental mind zone / are you trianing hard enough

[Tlolec the toilet]

just learned something about high intensity techniques. what a pump. my chest feels so good. I've been learning about this stuff. SO FRICKEN EFFECTIVE. I'm going to read this post

pre fatigue
isolation
drop sets
super setting
low to no rest interval
slow reps/lower weight
negatives
forced reps

combos

[marcus300]

just learned something about high intensity techniques. what a pump. my chest feels so good. I've been learning about this stuff. SO FRICKEN EFFECTIVE. I'm going to read this post

pre fatigue
isolation
drop sets
super setting
low to no rest interval
slow reps/lower weight
negatives
forced reps

combos

Its pretty impossible to implement all those advance protocols when you first start HIT. It takes along time to train the body and mind to go to failure. Maybe drop into the dungeon thread and read from the start and you will get a good idea exactly how to slowly start training HIT and understand what you have to do to achieve a good understanding before you start taking on all those advance training protocols. The MAIN principle you need to learn before anything else is training the body to go to positive failure this cant be done on one or two training sessions it takes weeks/months to train the body and mind to go to this zone. If you need any help fully understanding all whats needed just drop in the dungeon thread and I will go through with you but reading it from the start will help you tremendously

[marcus300]

The mental training zone can be use by any kind of training style not just HIT, I thought I was in another thread before lol. The mental zone is to bring out the aggression needed to push to your limits and get the best out of your training session, the mind is very powerful

[InternalFire]

The mental training zone can be use by any kind of training style not just HIT, I thought I was in another thread before lol. The mental zone is to bring out the aggression needed to push to your limits and get the best out of your training session, the mind is very powerful

Everytime I learn something new on HIT i realize how little I knew and how little I have progressed, yet it feels like a milestone.

I found a good way of getting in the zone: if I train legs that day and I wanna really run them to the ground I must realize, there is no stopping once I start, I will have to give all I have and find extra 10-20% I want it or not, Its a must. I decide that I will go trough routine that will make my tomorrow unbearable and possibly immobile, but all for the greater good.
I dont think how long will I not be able to workout my legs after, I decide that I wont be doing anything with them for at least5-7days, I know work put in to that may or may not yeld extra 1 pound in lifts next session but it will definitelly build a foundation for the future to take bigger steps than mind can fathom. Because consistency is the key, and consistent progress brings results. Training with such mindset I no longer know anything around me just weights floor and air in my lungs, till Im done. And when Im done, someone may come to help me stand up or sit on the bench.

[marcus300]

Everytime I learn something new on HIT i realize how little I knew and how little I have progressed, yet it feels like a milestone.

I found a good way of getting in the zone: if I train legs that day and I wanna really run them to the ground I must realize, there is no stopping once I start, I will have to give all I have and find extra 10-20% I want it or not, Its a must. I decide that I will go trough routine that will make my tomorrow unbearable and possibly immobile, but all for the greater good.
I dont think how long will I not be able to workout my legs after, I decide that I wont be doing anything with them for at least5-7days, I know work put in to that may or may not yeld extra 1 pound in lifts next session but it will definitelly build a foundation for the future to take bigger steps than mind can fathom. Because consistency is the key, and consistent progress brings results. Training with such mindset I no longer know anything around me just weights floor and air in my lungs, till Im done. And when Im done, someone may come to help me stand up or sit on the bench.

Sounds like a great mind set, I hope its not just writing and its put into production. Keep it up and carry on training the body and mind to go to failure.

[InternalFire]

I have no tolerance for hope marcus. Life is serious, so must be the training

[Tlolec the toilet]

i'm really enjoying isolation and the pump at the moment. i want to focus on it. I've also been thinking of making a synergistic routine for myself and i did.

i think i understand Nach. you're talking about partial reps, or complete failure to even move the weight. i was able to do this 2 weeks ago, but it's gotten difficult. a certain type of desperate need drove me to true positive failure. it was an uncomfortable sense of urgency. like an important race. my ego has been getting in the way and i'm getting cautious. maybe too cautious. gotta drink water. gotta eat a balanced meal every 2 hrs. gotta sleep

[OnTheGrindAgain]

I changed my ways of lifting when I restarted lifting last year , I hit it with a new approach and I've
Never seen changes in my body so fast. If anyone has heard of George Leeman , he basically taught me how to funnel adrenaline and rage.

[marcus300]

I changed my ways of lifting when I restarted lifting last year , I hit it with a new approach and I've
Never seen changes in my body so fast. If anyone has heard of George Leeman , he basically taught me how to funnel adrenaline and rage.

Glad to hear it, are things still going well?

[marcus300]

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[godfather666]

Hi marcus im so happy finding this thread you won't believe me. i read every single post for the last hour and i can say that you are one truly amazing inspirational person. there is no words to describe the way you wrote everything. i was like in a completely different world reading your intense approach to lifting. hands down for you.

Anyway by reading your supersets and dropsets technique i realized i was doing them wrong (well maybe not). the way i do dropset is first i start with feeler sets going up with weights until im ready for my working set. then i perform my first set 8-10 reps and then i drop weight resting like 30-40 sec and again perform another set but same rep range and then again drop weight. i think its called full pyramid set where you go weight up and down but same rep range. what do you think about this approach?

The next approach would be superset. you wrote that when you perform superset it has to be in total 8-12 reps for both exercises but all this time (been training for 4 years now naturally) i was performing one exercise 8-12 reps and immediately performing another exercise but same 8-12 reps range. is it bad approach what do you think? again big respect for your thread.

[marcus300]

Hi marcus im so happy finding this thread you won't believe me. i read every single post for the last hour and i can say that you are one truly amazing inspirational person. there is no words to describe the way you wrote everything. i was like in a completely different world reading your intense approach to lifting. hands down for you.

Anyway by reading your supersets and dropsets technique i realized i was doing them wrong (well maybe not). the way i do dropset is first i start with feeler sets going up with weights until im ready for my working set. then i perform my first set 8-10 reps and then i drop weight resting like 30-40 sec and again perform another set but same rep range and then again drop weight. i think its called full pyramid set where you go weight up and down but same rep range. what do you think about this approach?

The next approach would be superset. you wrote that when you perform superset it has to be in total 8-12 reps for both exercises but all this time (been training for 4 years now naturally) i was performing one exercise 8-12 reps and immediately performing another exercise but same 8-12 reps range. is it bad approach what do you think? again big respect for your thread.

Thank you very much means a lot to me

A drop set is once your doing your working set you drop the weight as soon as you reach failure and move straight away on to the set again with less weight until failure is reached again, if possible you could add in a further 2nd drop set and repeat again. But I wouldn't rest 30-45 seconds between drop sets because than a version of a rest pause method which is different but still productive.

The first thing you need to learn how to attack and perform is failure before you start going into dropsets, rest pause, negatives and forced. Failure is very hard to do and you cant just do it and it takes time for you to train your body to go into this zone, what you think failure is probably isn't.

Remember going to true positive failure like I've describe previously hits the toughest muscle fibers what grow the biggest these are the fast twitch type 2b fibers, you hit these fibers and you will have the biggest chance of increasing in size. What we are aiming for is progression overload so you keep hitting the muscles with an increased weight so they need to change and adapt to the overload its being put under. This kind of continuous stress will have a reaction on the body and it will have no other alternative but to grow. We keep within the right rep range what stimulates the biggest growth and we continuously try and increase the intensity by increasing the reps then once the reps increase you increase the weight to bring the reps down within the correct range again. I can't stress enough about taking your muscle to true positive failure, this takes a lot of mental preparation. Once you hit failure these fibers starts to be stimulated and this is when most people stop the working set, with HIT you go to failure or beyond but learning to go to failure is first and this can take months even years to train yourself to do

[godfather666]

Thank you very much means a lot to me

A drop set is once your doing your working set you drop the weight as soon as you reach failure and move straight away on to the set again with less weight until failure is reached again, if possible you could add in a further 2nd drop set and repeat again. But I wouldn't rest 30-45 seconds between drop sets because than a version of a rest pause method which is different but still productive.

The first thing you need to learn how to attack and perform is failure before you start going into dropsets, rest pause, negatives and forced. Failure is very hard to do and you cant just do it and it takes time for you to train your body to go into this zone, what you think failure is probably isn't.

Remember going to true positive failure like I've describe previously hits the toughest muscle fibers what grow the biggest these are the fast twitch type 2b fibers, you hit these fibers and you will have the biggest chance of increasing in size. What we are aiming for is progression overload so you keep hitting the muscles with an increased weight so they need to change and adapt to the overload its being put under. This kind of continuous stress will have a reaction on the body and it will have no other alternative but to grow. We keep within the right rep range what stimulates the biggest growth and we continuously try and increase the intensity by increasing the reps then once the reps increase you increase the weight to bring the reps down within the correct range again. I can't stress enough about taking your muscle to true positive failure, this takes a lot of mental preparation. Once you hit failure these fibers starts to be stimulated and this is when most people stop the working set, with HIT you go to failure or beyond but learning to go to failure is first and this can take months even years to train yourself to do

Thanks a lot for the answer Marcus I have an idea now how I am going to attack the weights next time. I think you right saying that I don't reach the proper failure because I watched all those videos you posted with Dorian and for me I was thinking reaching failure is simply not able to lift anymore reps, but this is different approach. its a mentally approach to failure, because your partner can squeeze another 2-3 reps from you. Also a lot of good training methods can be done with a partner/spotter. That's the problem I don't have anyone I can rely on training intensely to get into the zone.

But the main thing is that I have learned something and really helped me with my future training sessions thanks a lot again.

[marcus300]

Thanks a lot for the answer Marcus I have an idea now how I am going to attack the weights next time. I think you right saying that I don't reach the proper failure because I watched all those videos you posted with Dorian and for me I was thinking reaching failure is simply not able to lift anymore reps, but this is different approach. its a mentally approach to failure, because your partner can squeeze another 2-3 reps from you. Also a lot of good training methods can be done with a partner/spotter. That's the problem I don't have anyone I can rely on training intensely to get into the zone.

But the main thing is that I have learned something and really helped me with my future training sessions thanks a lot again.

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[marcus300]

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[marcus300]

Turning the heat up with my training, been off training for some time now and I am doing better with my health so its time to turn the heat up. It will be a slow onset but will try and see what happens. If I feel injury is going to occur I will take a step back yet again. But my mind set is slowly coming back

[GearHeaded]

Turning the heat up with my training, been off training for some time now and I am doing better with my health so its time to turn the heat up. It will be a slow onset but will try and see what happens. If I feel injury is going to occur I will take a step back yet again. But my mind set is slowly coming back

definitely take your time and ease into it with lighter weight higher reps. I recently made the mistake of not doing that myself.
was out of the gym for quite some time having had surgery. lost quite a bit of weight and was super motivated to get back in the gym and gain it back. 50mg of tren suspension and 30mg of Dbol pre-workout had me moving some heavy weight. jumped under 405 decline smith bench press and that jacked my shoulder up (now I can't bench at all) . I should of taken it way way slower and gave my joints and body time to adapt over time with lighter weight.

[marcus300]

definitely take your time and ease into it with lighter weight higher reps. I recently made the mistake of not doing that myself.
was out of the gym for quite some time having had surgery. lost quite a bit of weight and was super motivated to get back in the gym and gain it back. 50mg of tren suspension and 30mg of Dbol pre-workout had me moving some heavy weight. jumped under 405 decline smith bench press and that jacked my shoulder up (now I can't bench at all) . I should of taken it way way slower and gave my joints and body time to adapt over time with lighter weight.

I won't be going back to my level of training ever again Gearhead due to injuries I had and also health scares over the last couple of years so its all about keeping healthy for me now. Infact I'm dropping size because I'm too big and will be just playing at this game now, been hard to come to terms with because I've train hard and intense for over 30 yrs but I had a wake up call and going to take notice. My mind is my most power weapon and I am just playing with it at the moment aittle push here and there to keep some of my muscle tissue will be fine. I think taking things slow isn't in our mind set or our ability when we have been controlled by the iron for so long but it is the best advice to give.

I'm learning to train differently these days to see how my body reacts and how much muscle its going to give up lol lol.

[Calcium]

Very powerful thread
thx for sharing

[marcus300]

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[i_SLAM_cougars]

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[bonhamsurf]

Very, very powerful and helpful information. Thank you for the details

[AwareXx]

One of the articles here on this forum that's sure to give you a boost for your training needs!

[user1234567890]

Thank you Marcus. I’ve been struggling with the mental aspect in recent weeks and looking for a solution. I believe this is the answer. I’ve gotten very complacent lately. Life is just good and I’ve been forgetting to harness my anger. I have plenty of infuriating moments in my past to draw from. You iust reminded me that is how I used to do it. Much appreciated brother.