To all you yong bucks you gotta be a tuff MF'er to get old

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Oh man,

Not what I want hear at all

More like, I’m over 60 & over pussy all together - who cares, just remove it

Guess not - at least that’s the speech I heard through my friend about his stepdad. Fucker retired at 67, before 68 they found cancer in his prostate. They were gonna remove it, waited a month or two(or something like that) - last time we spoke about him, it has spread - ugggh, this being human

So sorry to hear this . With all my bad luck they have done bone density test and no cancer in the bones and no escape visible at this time that they can see . been watching and waiting since 2017 . I may have done a little better if I had stopped the test. No matter that is what i decided to do and now have to answer for how I have abused Steroids .

Any questions I have had about the worst experience possible to just be dealing with a damn cancerous prostrate .

Is your TRT balanced with BW ? I am 63 and wake up with wood and desire several times a day . I have heard of me willing to give up pussy . Will not me I just got married a year ago and she is a 61 yr old hottie . She can rock a string bikini/string , nice firm ass and 42 DD blond and I have actually been told I have a very pretty daughter .

[< <Samson> >]

Sorry, I always miss this section

Fuck man

Don’t know of anything positive to add. Shit, I’d rail a good looking 60+ year old & I'm 42

Balanced trt - fuck no!

I’m on “trt” - tren replacement therapy = anything but tren

175mg a week of test, 90mg of deca, 25mg a day of Var + 25mg a day of Proviron

I feel great, I run no ai & I know my estro numbers are close to triple digits

This is me running it down compared to the last decade


My friend’s step dad was just diagnosed with prostate cancer. He’s on a bunch of shit to kill his test & feels like shit - they can’t even just pull the prostate out because it already started to spread

Man, this human form of our’s

[lovbyts]

All this talk is sort of making me nervous because Im supposed to get my test done soon. Man I hope the best for you. I think I mentioned I have a co worker who had a couple feet removed of his colon several year ago and doesnt have any problems now.

I did some research on this subject also several year ago and Im still unsure what I would do if they found something. Quality vs quantity.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

All this talk is sort of making me nervous because Im supposed to get my test done soon. Man I hope the best for you. I think I mentioned I have a co worker who had a couple feet removed of his colon several year ago and doesnt have any problems now.

I did some research on this subject also several year ago and Im still unsure what I would do if they found something. Quality vs quantity.

Very true words you have shared . I have a a rough past 3 yrs. I am turning a corner if I could just get my prostrate cancer dealt with . When I am going in for BW i don't take any test or anything and my numbers fall right in the sweet spot 500 to 700 and Dr is happy VA messed up and they send me 200mg a week . So I am ok with that I just keep stock piling .

[lovbyts]

Very true words you have shared . I have a a rough past 3 yrs. I am turning a corner if I could just get my prostrate cancer dealt with . When I am going in for BW i don't take any test or anything and my numbers fall right in the sweet spot 500 to 700 and Dr is happy VA messed up and they send me 200mg a week . So I am ok with that I just keep stock piling .

I understand the stock pilling because you just never know when or why you might get cut off. Insurance, regulations or xyz. Ive been getting TRT for around 15 years now and Ive managed to do a bit of saving myself. I probably wouldn't need to worry for 3+ years if push came to shove and then I still have all my old brew supplies. lol

Good to hear you are turning a corner for the better and hopefully it will just be one more thing in the past you can talk about and say, look what Ive beat and keep going. I keep hoping Im past all the BS injuries and surgeries as well but only time will tell.

Thanks for keep us updated.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I understand the stock pilling because you just never know when or why you might get cut off. Insurance, regulations or xyz. Ive been getting TRT for around 15 years now and Ive managed to do a bit of saving myself. I probably wouldn't need to worry for 3+ years if push came to shove and then I still have all my old brew supplies. lol

Good to hear you are turning a corner for the better and hopefully it will just be one more thing in the past you can talk about and say, look what Ive beat and keep going. I keep hoping Im past all the BS injuries and surgeries as well but only time will tell.

Thanks for keep us updated.

Man I hope and pray all the best for you ! I really mean it from the bottom of my heart . I would not want anyone to go through what I have had to experience ...

Since I started my journey I have learned a lot , not that makes me smart it just gives me a foundation for my opinions .


1) You are most likely seeing a urologist . Stop and think he does not make the big $$$ unless he removes the prostrate - he is more inclined to push you towards removal . I figured this out after bad attempt to remove mine and I had scar tissue from when I was Septic and in a coma in Nov.2019 . THE UROLOGIST WILL PUSH FOR REMOVAL .

2) ( I have stepped back and tried to re eval this whole process .)

3) The urologist will watch and wait if low Gleason score and stable PSA under 10 .

4) Under urologist care you will then if like I experienced over a 5 year period since 2017 . 3 biopsy's , 2 ultra sounds and countless MIR's and occasional ct scan all the 5 years worrying in the back of my mind .

5) Now through a process after botched attempt to remove the cancerous prostate ; then 20+ days in the hospital due to infection and they perforated my intestines when attempting the prostate removal .

6) After all this I was informed i would not be having my prostate removed , I would be having it radiated and let all dead and shriveled up .

7) Now I report to the Oncologist for a new treatment . He wants another MRI of the prostrate to see location and size . Mine was close to my Rectum so I have to go back to have a needle poked through my Tant and gel injected between my prostrate and rectum . Will find out a date tomorrow . Then a few day later I go back to make sure the gel is in the right place and then the schedule my radiation . 3 week about EOD .

8) So after researching the different procedures of radiated seeds or the procedure they tried to remove the prostrate or Long term low doses of radiation which takes 7 weeks .

9) There is less damage to the nerves that case you to pee and get a erection that is very important to me , even at 63 . The radiated dead prostrate stay in the butt . So look and research and decide what you want to do not what the doctors want to do . Just like TRT or cycling you personal health and well being is your responsibility no matter what educate yourself to the max .

10) If you have the removal the is a strong risk of ED and also incontinence issue probable not to mention pissing blood for weeks.

11) Conclusion - I would not even consider removal . To much that it effects and to much to go wrong . Radiation possible a short term ED then right beck to where you were with 30% to 15% less in hard wood maybe 100% the sides from removing the prostate are barbaric . Radiation is the least evasive of all the treatments of prostate cancer treatment .

Peace out on my end . Life goes on and I smile on the outside and "everything's gonna be all right" .

[< <Samson> >]

Don’t know what to say


One of my worst fears certainly


Like I mentioned, my fiend’s step dad is going through it right now - it’s a slippery slope every time we talk. I remember this guy just a few years ago, it seems - to be strong as a fucking ox

GL man - and, to us all - I was just at the gym two days ago, and I’m like fuck it - asked the wife to spot me & I'm close to hitting my bench PR. I get up & brain just throbs - nothing like it


Being human, I swear

[lovbyts]

I'm glad you are looking at things logically and not just doing or believing everything you are told. That is one of the things I read a while back thsy it was found a lot (around 50%) of urologist were pushing for removal when it really wasn't necessary because of $$$$

[< <Samson> >]

None of this sounds fun - AT ALL!

[Kepler22b]

Gettin old ain’t for sissies


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[< <Samson> >]

It’s a tad funny you brush off rotator cuffs - they are quite different compared to the big C or my hemorrhage - but, it has a similarity - it’s the body falling apart

I had a member in my support group, they’d give up a limb before dealing with my AVM - well - ummmm, maybe. Lol

Darn human body

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I just want all to know ; I seek no pity nor attention I just want to share what I have experienced so it may save someone else from the BS I have gone through .

[< <Samson> >]

I just want all to know ; I seek no pity nor attention I just want to share what I have experienced so it may save someone else from the BS I have gone through .

Oh, I get it

So, what did you do that you feel was so negative towards this part of your health?

I wanted to ask, but - ya kno


I get enough nonsense from folk who know nothing about anything - “It’s the roids that caused your hemorrhage, etc” - in my case, no - but, maybe - how in the fuck would I know. But, I was born with an underlying condition. Did it my juicing help me recover? Yes - did it also advance its growth? No idea

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Oh, I get it

So, what did you do that you feel was so negative towards this part of your health?

I wanted to ask, but - ya kno


I get enough nonsense from folk who know nothing about anything - “It’s the roids that caused your hemorrhage, etc” - in my case, no - but, maybe - how in the fuck would I know. But, I was born with an underlying condition. Did it my juicing help me recover? Yes - did it also advance its growth? No idea

The prostate issue they said was from family background . The other stuff Including the coma was my fault for attempting to be 20 something and stuck a bicycle stem in my belly and that caused the kink and dumping crap literally into abdomen . They said If the Septic condition did not kill me the coma may be hard to get over . LMAO-ROTF I am going to talk to a ambulance chaser about the Dr that sewed me up from the coma did a shitty job and I can no longer ever be operated on from my front side . I think that may earn at least his insurance .

[< <Samson> >]

bicycle stem

Wtf were u doin?

Man, prostate shit is just one of the many fears I have - somewhere along with heart issues, organ failure, etc.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Wtf were u doin?

Man, prostate shit is just one of the many fears I have - somewhere along with heart issues, organ failure, etc.

Riding a Bicycle on the beach at PCB and hit a soft spot in the sand took 2 weeks before I went to the hospital and I was almost to bad to fix .

[Cylon357]

I just want all to know ; I seek no pity nor attention I just want to share what I have experienced so it may save someone else from the BS I have gone through .

Nobody is going to pity you, we have seen the pics you posted of your wife!

For real, thanks for sharing. That's what keeps it real here.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Nobody is going to pity you, we have seen the pics you posted of your wife!

For real, thanks for sharing. That's what keeps it real here.

Not to bad for 61years old ! I mean grade A MILF with 42DD so sweet . Oh and I do not know if she was my wife then or not We go Married Jan 2 2022 .

[lovbyts]

I just want all to know ; I seek no pity nor attention I just want to share what I have experienced so it may save someone else from the BS I have gone through .

I dont think any of us were thinking that. We all appreciate the you sharing information and respect you for keeping us up to date. Sharing is caring as they say and we are all pulling for you and hoping for a quick recovery.

[wango]

Hey Buzz. Talk away. It’s not complaining, because before you get there it’s nice to have some for- warning, some of this is inevitable.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Just an update from Oncologist and Urologist . I get the Gel injected through my tant between my prostrate and my rectum so to try to rule out rectum damage . I just said save my butt I enjoy a good mooring after coffee relief .

Then 5 days later see where gel settled to make sure no more is needed if not , then do the radiation CyberKnife supposed to have high cure rating and after recent research I think this would have been the correct course of action in the 1st place I am supporter of the less knife needed the better and usually faster recovery . With many less side effects/after effects . Doc said I should be able to drive myself to and from appointments as in not need a driver .

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Talk about some bat shit crazy onocologist as far as all I have ever known about eating ....... It appears to me they want you to have no testosterone in my male body


Low-Residue Diet

For your Cyberknife planning scans and treatments we will be trying to keep your rectum as
inactive and empty as possible. One of the ways thatthisis accomplished is by changing your diet
to limit those foods that increase colon/ rectal activity, a low -residue diet. Remember many of the
foods to avoid have high levels offiber. Follow the instructions below and be practical in all things.
Call the nurse (770-793-7582) if you have any questions.
Avoid the following:
Whole -grain and high fiber breads, cereals, crackers, and pasta
All raw vegetables except lettuce, cucumbers, onion, and
zucchini
All Raw Fruit Except Apricots, bananas, cantaloupe,honeydewmelon,
watermelon, papayas, peaches, and plums(make sure all these fruits are very ripe)
Nuts (Avoid nuts in any sauces, dressings, etc.)
No Peanut butter
Vegetable sauces, especially tomato-based products.
Coconut
Marmalade
Tough/Fatty meats
Luncheon meats
Anything with seeds
Any Beans or tofu
Milk products with nuts, seeds, fruit, or vegetables added.
Brown Rice

You may eat the following:
Refined breads, cereals, crackers, and pasta (white)
White rice
Vegetable and fruit juice without seeds or pulp
Milk products (yogurt, ice cream, etc.) without the above-mentioned things to
avoid. Limit milk/dairy products to two cups a day.
Tender meat, poultry, and fish
Eggs
Broth-based soups (strained)
Oil, margarine, butter, and mayonnaise
lettuce, cucumbers, onions, and zucchini

No more than 1 serving of the following vegetables, well-cooked without seeds:
Yellow squash, spinach, pumpkin, potatoes without skin, green beans,
asparagus, beets and carrots.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Hey men this is real time reality treatment for me NOW ! Read on for the dietary restrictions and my kidney Dr already asked me to eat less red meat . Next 2 post are PDF files if I can copy them .


Below I have listed your appointments that pertain to CyberKnife planning and treatment. Please respond to let me know you have received this information. I have also attached your prep instructions and low residue diet information . These appointments are all based on Fiducial and Space OAR placement on 3/3/23. Please do not use Mychart for any Radiation Oncology appointments- only go by what our department gives you.



Follow up and CT/Planning (Simulation) – 3/8/23 arrive @9:15AM – Dr. Ferro's office – 320 Building on the Kennestone Campus:

When you arrive and park in the Cancer Center Parking Desk which is immediately on your right when you enter the Kennestone campus.
Prep instructions for CT/Planning (Simulation):

- Prep instructions are attached to this email. You will want to start your prep instructions based on your time for CT Simulation which is 10AM- Start water perp at 9AM if unable to hold prep from MRI appointment earlier.



MRI – 2/22/23 –MRI @ Wellstar Pediatric Imaging Center – arrive @ 7:15AM:

Check in Main Street #22
You will be receiving a call from WellStar to confirm your MRI appointment
Prep instructions for CT/Planning (Simulation):

- Prep instructions are attached to this email




Treatment Dates: 3/15, 3/17, 3/21, 3/23, 3/27 times for these appointments will be confirmed the afternoon before: – Dr. Ferro's office – 320 Building on the Kennestone Campus:



Prep instructions for Treatment: Are attached to this email

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

CYBERKNIFE PROSTATE PATIENT INSTRUCTIONS

Once gold fiducial markers have been placed in your prostate, you will be receiving a call from
us regarding your appointments for your CT /MRI scans. These scans are for planning
purposes and must be done to design your CyberKnife treatment.

Instructions For Your Fiducial and SpaceOAR Procedure
1. If you are currently taking any anticoagulants (blood thinners) such as Plavix,
Coumadin, Arixtra, Lovenox or Asprin you must notify the doctor immediately.
You will receive additional instructions via PATT preop phone call before the
date of your procedure.
2. Normal diet the day of procedure.
3. Use one Fleet enema 2 hours before your appointment time. In the event a
bowel movement was not complete use a second enema.

Instructions For Your CT Scan/MRI For Treatment Planning
1. Follow the Low-residue diet for 48 hours prior to your appointments. Our goal is
to have an empty and non-active rectum.
2. 1 hour prior to your CT Simulation appointment give yourself a Fleet Enema (Over
the counter in any pharmacy).
3. Drink 20 oz of water (1 bottle) 1 hour before your CT Simulation appointment and
do not urinate before your appointment. If you are taking a water pill (e.g
hydrochlorothiazide or Lasix), do not take it before your appointment.
4. Make sure your penis is tucked down towards your legs during the scans.

[< <Samson> >]

Unfortunately, maybe fortunately - I don’t know

But, I am aware - about all the specifics from my friend’s step dad - the friend in this case is the same man that saved my life when I fully seized from my hemorrhage

What you posted is nearly verbatim to what his step dad was instructed to do

I don’t have much to add


Wish I did


GL - is all I can say

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Unfortunately, maybe fortunately - I don’t know

But, I am aware - about all the specifics from my friend’s step dad - the friend in this case is the same man that saved my life when I fully seized from my hemorrhage

What you posted is nearly verbatim to what his step dad was instructed to do

I don’t have much to add


Wish I did


GL - is all I can say

Dang man thanks a lot ! Good fortune in all your travels .

[lovbyts]

Im not sure what to think about all the no testosterone talk. It seem to me (im not an expert obviously) that there is a lot of Old school thinking behind this and there hasnt been any real studies or evidence in the last 50 years if its hurtful or beneficial.

I can understand how they would not want you doing a cycle but it seem normal levels would be good since it helps your body feel normal and work properly. Seems to me having low or no testosterone would just confuse the healing process.

Just my uneducated opinion of course.

[< <Samson> >]

Im not sure what to think about all the no testosterone talk. It seem to me (im not an expert obviously) that there is a lot of Old school thinking behind this and there hasnt been any real studies or evidence in the last 50 years if its hurtful or beneficial.

I can understand how they would not want you doing a cycle but it seem normal levels would be good since it helps your body feel normal and work properly. Seems to me having low or no testosterone would just confuse the healing process.

Just my uneducated opinion of course.

Seems to b a standard, they want to bottom out your levels period - estrogen & test

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Seems to b a standard, they want to bottom out your levels period - estrogen & test

But as almost an anthem on this forum is we or me and myself alone are responsible for our own health and well being . We have choice to make . They may not be the correct choices for everyone but my choices are right for my lifestyle on my terms !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Im not sure what to think about all the no testosterone talk. It seem to me (im not an expert obviously) that there is a lot of Old school thinking behind this and there hasnt been any real studies or evidence in the last 50 years if its hurtful or beneficial.

I can understand how they would not want you doing a cycle but it seem normal levels would be good since it helps your body feel normal and work properly. Seems to me having low or no testosterone would just confuse the healing process.

Just my uneducated opinion of course.

Speaking of old medical opinions . Supposedly normal amounts of Testosterone feed the cancer . I the early days when prostate cancer was found they cut off the mans ball sack and all . These men did not die of prostate cancer so here is where that thinking started and the Dr's have only one goal cure prostate cancer with no regards to quality of life . I have read my ass off and research all approaches and other medical papers ; one by Jon Hopkins dates 2015 - that stated TRT or HRT actually helped prevent prostrate cancer since it stopped the testicles from producing Test.

Urologist - push removal ( my urologist even told me that almost all Dr's that get prostate cancer prefer removal ) So I agreed and started my research and when researching the side effect of removal the sides were down played big time .

Oncologist - choose almost any method besides the knife ? Why ? when some patients come in they are freaked out and just want to be cancer free at all cost .
1) these men may agree to negative hormone therapy - which blocks all testosterone from even showing traces in the body and they are at this point unknowingly stopping the cancer in it's tracks and almost turning feminine ( I said HELL NO )
2) the next thing they suggest is Finasteride 5mg per day in my case . - long term shrinks the prostate but also screwed with my sex life like not tomorrow and I was only on for about 2 weeks at 5mg per day and now 2 weeks later I am just getting back to normal . 7 x's a week and 7+ blow jobs . So No need to praise I know I am a 63 year old studd and I still have to jerk off 3 or 4 times a week (true) LMAO but true ( So I am a huge no for this also .
3) Now I am on that funky diet above which is a new nutritional way to eat and I will go back to normal high protein diet at the end of March.
4) Next steps for me are gel injected to protect my rectum from radiation and then 5 Radiation (Cyberknife Treatment)

If anyone is looking into choices do not get plain radiation only demand radiation with Cyberknife .

Like some above I was of the mind set that the way I felt when I started TRT and how it changed my life to a positive ; how could it be bad for me . Seems many smarter than me are anti testosterone - I never have stopped only when I had my last biopsy with high number did I back off from 200mg weekly to 30mg 2 x's a week . So we do think alike but I am quite sure if your o nly goal is kill cancer then the Negative Hormone Therapy would be the way to go for non alpha male or the feminine non-heterotisexual it may be the answer .

So that was around the world as to why the zero testosterone approach may be the only 100% way to be 100% sure no more cancer . So maybe there is a cure for cancer ? What price will you pay to just barely be above ground for 2 or 3 years of no quality life . Go for the one good year and end it on your terms not is a nursing home .

[lovbyts]

Speaking of old medical opinions . Supposedly normal amounts of Testosterone feed the cancer . I the early days when prostate cancer was found they cut off the mans ball sack and all . These men did not die of prostate cancer so here is where that thinking started and the Dr's have only one goal cure prostate cancer with no regards to quality of life . I have read my ass off and research all approaches and other medical papers ; one by Jon Hopkins dates 2015 - that stated TRT or HRT actually helped prevent prostrate cancer since it stopped the testicles from producing Test.

Urologist - push removal ( my urologist even told me that almost all Dr's that get prostate cancer prefer removal ) So I agreed and started my research and when researching the side effect of removal the sides were down played big time .

Oncologist - choose almost any method besides the knife ? Why ? when some patients come in they are freaked out and just want to be cancer free at all cost .
1) these men may agree to negative hormone therapy - which blocks all testosterone from even showing traces in the body and they are at this point unknowingly stopping the cancer in it's tracks and almost turning feminine ( I said HELL NO )
2) the next thing they suggest is Finasteride 5mg per day in my case . - long term shrinks the prostate but also screwed with my sex life like not tomorrow and I was only on for about 2 weeks at 5mg per day and now 2 weeks later I am just getting back to normal . 7 x's a week and 7+ blow jobs . So No need to praise I know I am a 63 year old studd and I still have to jerk off 3 or 4 times a week (true) LMAO but true ( So I am a huge no for this also .
3) Now I am on that funky diet above which is a new nutritional way to eat and I will go back to normal high protein diet at the end of March.
4) Next steps for me are gel injected to protect my rectum from radiation and then 5 Radiation (Cyberknife Treatment)

If anyone is looking into choices do not get plain radiation only demand radiation with Cyberknife .

Like some above I was of the mind set that the way I felt when I started TRT and how it changed my life to a positive ; how could it be bad for me . Seems many smarter than me are anti testosterone - I never have stopped only when I had my last biopsy with high number did I back off from 200mg weekly to 30mg 2 x's a week . So we do think alike but I am quite sure if your o nly goal is kill cancer then the Negative Hormone Therapy would be the way to go for non alpha male or the feminine non-heterotisexual it may be the answer .

So that was around the world as to why the zero testosterone approach may be the only 100% way to be 100% sure no more cancer . So maybe there is a cure for cancer ? What price will you pay to just barely be above ground for 2 or 3 years of no quality life . Go for the one good year and end it on your terms not is a nursing home .

Ill take the quality over quantity. I know cancer loves sugar also and that I would be willing to give up 100% if needed but not the T. Ive always ran very mild TRT and stayed in the 700 - 900 range, mostly because I mean to do bi weekly injections and usually forget the 2nd one for several days so Im only using a little over 1/2 of what Im supposed to.

It helps with the excess stock as well for future use.

[< <Samson> >]

Well, fuck

Kinda funny(sorta) CK is the same method they use on our brain - or, gamma knife - thankfully it didn’t apply to me since my bleed was active & so severe - interesting one to be thankful for

4 more years & you can make it Bruce Wilis’s age & go brain dead - ugggggh :/

We’ll all catch the bullet somewhere at some point

Being neutered tho - is definitely a tough one to think about

Although through all my readings, I’ve come across something that said you can still get boners without a prostate. But, I wouldn’t bet jack or shit on that.

Thx to this concern, I have been laying off the strong androgenic roids & got on a Ai - def “feel” a bit better with my estro close to the triple digits

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Well, fuck

Kinda funny(sorta) CK is the same method they use on our brain - or, gamma knife - thankfully it didn’t apply to me since my bleed was active & so severe - interesting one to be thankful for

4 more years & you can make it Bruce Wilis’s age & go brain dead - ugggggh :/

We’ll all catch the bullet somewhere at some point

Being neutered tho - is definitely a tough one to think about

Although through all my readings, I’ve come across something that said you can still get boners without a prostate. But, I wouldn’t bet jack or shit on that.

Thx to this concern, I have been laying off the strong androgenic roids & got on a Ai - def “feel” a bit better with my estro close to the triple digits

You mean you keep your E-2 in the triple digits . I am old school like Kel Advocates or used to and implied that the sweet spot for E-2 is 2.6 -3.1 for optimal -Sweet spot for sex ? I was under the impression high E-2 was a leading cause of stroke and heart attack . Would you please share your logic and educate me as to if high E-2 causes much more serious issues . Remember I am very old school . Steroids were a misdemeanor when I started and EQ and Winstrol by winthrope labs came in 50ml jugs , lol and you could get Fina ject not Tren. Help me understand please .

[< <Samson> >]

You mean you keep your E-2 in the triple digits . I am old school like Kel Advocates or used to and implied that the sweet spot for E-2 is 2.6 -3.1 for optimal -Sweet spot for sex ? I was under the impression high E-2 was a leading cause of stroke and heart attack . Would you please share your logic and educate me as to if high E-2 causes much more serious issues . Remember I am very old school . Steroids were a misdemeanor when I started and EQ and Winstrol by winthrope labs came in 50ml jugs , lol and you could get Fina ject not Tren. Help me understand please .

Maybe we’re using a different range/scale

It should be under 30(I believe) - I have kept mine right around a 100, give or take for years now - it’s where I feel my best. Horniest & most active

But, all this health talk - I got on an Ai & am currently pushing it back to about 1/2

Of course, now I feel half as good - more tired & quite less horny

Edit > but, I’m kinda taking the good with the not so good. I sleep way better - I knocked my Xanax dose way down & im still out cold for 8 hours

[Cylon357]

I think all the no test talk is old school thinking. I THINK, but I am no doctor, that the previous thinking was that T directly drives prostate growth. It does not. That is what DHT does. So yeah, all other things equal, more T = more DHT = more impact on prostate.

That said, for a lot of men, including me, it makes sense to look at quality of life before considering total androgen deprivation.

To BMPs point, do you really want to live life as a girl - really a frilly, castrated, feminine man - to MAYBE make treatment a little easier? I don't think I would, but finasteride had all the negatives for me at conventional doses. Some tolerate it well, so it would be a different decision for someone like that.

But with all that, I don't think you have to nuke DHT into the dirt to get prostate benefits. Microdosing finasteride can nudge dht lower and thus reduce PSA, without turning men into eunuchs.

Doctors are slow to adopt new practices and ideas, sometimes that's good, sometimes bad, but the current thinking re prostate cancer treatment seems to do a lot of potential harm without really increasing the odds of survival. I mean, if they remove your prostate physically or cook it till its dead, does it really matter what your DHT is?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I think all the no test talk is old school thinking. I THINK, but I am no doctor, that the previous thinking was that T directly drives prostate growth. It does not. That is what DHT does. So yeah, all other things equal, more T = more DHT = more impact on prostate.

That said, for a lot of men, including me, it makes sense to look at quality of life before considering total androgen deprivation.

To BMPs point, do you really want to live life as a girl - really a frilly, castrated, feminine man - to MAYBE make treatment a little easier? I don't think I would, but finasteride had all the negatives for me at conventional doses. Some tolerate it well, so it would be a different decision for someone like that.

But with all that, I don't think you have to nuke DHT into the dirt to get prostate benefits. Microdosing finasteride can nudge dht lower and thus reduce PSA, without turning men into eunuchs.

Doctors are slow to adopt new practices and ideas, sometimes that's good, sometimes bad, but the current thinking re prostate cancer treatment seems to do a lot of potential harm without really increasing the odds of survival. I mean, if they remove your prostate physically or cook it till its dead, does it really matter what your DHT is?

Man I like the way you put that and I couldn't agree more . I have progressive urologist and in 2017 he did not even insist that I stop my TRT and he knew what a blast is . My coma and abdomen vac is what caused the issues with the prostate removal . Noting to do with shrinking . it is double the normal size . Now no removal .

I mean that is about the most accurate summarization of treat and the sad realities of the prostate game today that also has a very high payout rate to Drs . The prostate is the current appendix . They used to remove almost all appendix .

[lovbyts]

I think all the no test talk is old school thinking. I THINK, but I am no doctor, that the previous thinking was that T directly drives prostate growth. It does not. That is what DHT does. So yeah, all other things equal, more T = more DHT = more impact on prostate.

That said, for a lot of men, including me, it makes sense to look at quality of life before considering total androgen deprivation.

To BMPs point, do you really want to live life as a girl - really a frilly, castrated, feminine man - to MAYBE make treatment a little easier? I don't think I would, but finasteride had all the negatives for me at conventional doses. Some tolerate it well, so it would be a different decision for someone like that.

But with all that, I don't think you have to nuke DHT into the dirt to get prostate benefits. Microdosing finasteride can nudge dht lower and thus reduce PSA, without turning men into eunuchs.

Doctors are slow to adopt new practices and ideas, sometimes that's good, sometimes bad, but the current thinking re prostate cancer treatment seems to do a lot of potential harm without really increasing the odds of survival. I mean, if they remove your prostate physically or cook it till its dead, does it really matter what your DHT is?

Great minds think alike but you are better at wording it than I was. LoL

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I am sure this update will excite everyone . I did a sit up today . Really I don't know how they cut all my flexors and just stuffed my guts back in .

[lovbyts]

I am sure this update will excite everyone . I did a sit up today . Really I don't know how they cut all my flexors and just stuffed my guts back in .

Should you be doing anything like that?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Should you be doing anything like that?

Yes . That is another good thing about radiation . Other than Injecting the Gel and I will be sedated . All other treatment is supposed to be a piece of cake . But killing that organ and still not have it off your mind . Cancer can reoccur . This should be the worst of it . Guess we will see . Not sure how many but they are scripting pain meds pre surgery ...... So I would see that as pain meds required and I am damn tired of hurting . .

Then a nasty pre op prep . If you did not read all that BS letter and still want to know . Feel free to PM me .