You'll want to read this!

[tommymeade5]

hey ronnie i have a few questions for you... which steroids is safest and cheapest? (i was thinking about purchasing winni-v or d-bol in tablet forms because i have read that they are very safe and they are also in my price range) how do i go about taking these tablets one before and one after, or both before? also i heard that you get bloating from the use of steroids and i just want to get bigger lean muscle and keep my six pack. right now i take creatine and i have not been having any results i dont do much cardio like i should and i dont want to deal with needles because the thought of it scares me so if you could please help me out i would be very very thankful...

p.s. if you cant tell me which type of steroids to you can you tell me how to use it and how to stay away from the bloating as much as possible because those are my 2 biggest concerns

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie i have a few questions for you... Which steroids is safest and cheapest? test-e or test-c. Sustaon is great as well.(i was thinking about purchasing winni-v or d-bol in tablet forms because i have read that they are very safe not as safe as test because they are much harder on the liver and heart! and they are also in my price range) how do i go about taking these tablets one before and one after, or both before? do not understand question!? also i heard that you get bloating from the use of steroids and i just want to get bigger lean muscle and keep my six pack. Right now i take creatine and i have not been having any results i dont do much cardio like i should and i dont want to deal with needles because the thought of it scares me so if you could please help me out i would be very very thankful...d-bol cause bloat just like test because of estrogen conversion. Run 50 mgs of winstrol per day in tablet form for 8 weeks. That will keep you water retention free.

p.s. If you cant tell me which type of steroids to you can you tell me how to use it and how to stay away from the bloating as much as possible because those are my 2 biggest concerns

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[ronniii]

hey can someone tell is it troo if you finish your cycle that will lose wight?

[The Titan99]

Hy Ron, I know you advise to stop the protein powder and creatine during the prime. I'm starting my deload today and was wondering, as long as I'm cutting my protein by half, should I still be using the powder? Also wondering, since I need to drop some fat, what's the most you would do cardio-wise?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hy Ron, I know you advise to stop the protein powder and creatine during the prime. I'm starting my deload today and was wondering, as long as I'm cutting my protein by half, should I still be using the powder? It's not neccesary! Also wondering, since I need to drop some fat, what's the most you would do cardio-wise? 6 days per week for 30 minutes each session.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey can someone tell is it troo if you finish your cycle that will lose wight?

you lose some water weight and if you go past your genetic potential some muscle weight, eventually.

[ricky23]

ronnie, what are your experiences with mst (Methyl Trienolone)
thankyou

[SomeRandomGuy]

hey ronnie i have a few questions for you... which steroids is safest and cheapest? (i was thinking about purchasing winni-v or d-bol in tablet forms because i have read that they are very safe and they are also in my price range) how do i go about taking these tablets one before and one after, or both before? also i heard that you get bloating from the use of steroids and i just want to get bigger lean muscle and keep my six pack. right now i take creatine and i have not been having any results i dont do much cardio like i should and i dont want to deal with needles because the thought of it scares me so if you could please help me out i would be very very thankful...

p.s. if you cant tell me which type of steroids to you can you tell me how to use it and how to stay away from the bloating as much as possible because those are my 2 biggest concerns

One four letter word. FAKE.

ronnie, what are your experiences with mst (Methyl Trienolone)
thankyou

Sounds like it makes you crap out your liver.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, what are your experiences with mst (Methyl Trienolone)
thankyou

I've never taken it and never will but I have known those who went against my advice and still used it anyways. They developed very nasty attitudes, gained strength and had elevated heart rates. Those who did have blood work done after their cycle of metribolone had major elevated liver enzymes.

My advice to you is never take this stuff as it can ruin your liver in short order and cause potential heart problems. One of our vets (T-mos) had a heart attack while experiementing with high doses. Here's the link to his thread- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398540

[ricky23]

I've never taken it and never will but I have known those who went against my advice and still used it anyways. They developed very nasty attitudes, gained strength and had elevated heart rates. Those who did have blood work done after their cycle of metribolone had major elevated liver enzymes.

My advice to you is never take this stuff as it can ruin your liver in short order and cause potential heart problems. One of our vets (T-mos) had a heart attack while experiementing with high doses. Here's the link to his thread- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398540

thankyou ronnie,
r.i.p T-mos

[adlyn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by adlyn
hey ron, you mentioned to stack winstrol tabs with clen for strength and endurance. What kind of dosage am i looking at? 50 mgs per day in tabs or 100 mgs per day in injectable form. 2nd think is, can i use injectable winstrol? yes at 100 mgs per day. how's the dosage with clen? start at 20 mgs per day and increase by 20 mgs every 2 weeks. Stop clen after 8 weeks of usage! one more thing, i'm only going to cycle this about 8 to 10 week only. Then i'll stop for about a month or so, then i will start my slingshot cycle. Should i do pct before slingshot cycle? if you are not going to bridge then you should pct.
thanks in advance ron
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Thanks Ron for the reply. So to summarize:

1-8 week: 100mgs of winstrol everyday

1-2week: 20mgs of clen
3-4week: 40mgs of clen
5-6week: 60mgs of clen
7-8week 80mgs of clen

Question is, is it alright for me to stay on clen for everyday till the 8th week? The last time I cycle on clen was, 2days on 2days off. For the winstrol, total for 1week is 700mgs? Anyway the clen should it be on mgs or mcg basis?

[Ronnie Rowland]

quote:
Originally posted by adlyn
hey ron, you mentioned to stack winstrol tabs with clen for strength and endurance. What kind of dosage am i looking at? 50 mgs per day in tabs or 100 mgs per day in injectable form. 2nd think is, can i use injectable winstrol? yes at 100 mgs per day. How's the dosage with clen? start at 20 mgs per day and increase by 20 mgs every 2 weeks. stop clen after 8 weeks of usage! one more thing, i'm only going to cycle this about 8 to 10 week only. Then i'll stop for about a month or so, then i will start my slingshot cycle. Should i do pct before slingshot cycle? if you are not going to bridge then you should pct.
thanks in advance ron
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[b]thanks ron for the reply. So to summarize:

1-8 week: 100mgs of winstrol everyday

1-2week: 20mgs of clen
3-4week: 40mgs of clen
5-6week: 60mgs of clen
7-8week 80mgs of clen

question is, is it alright for me to stay on clen for everyday till the 8th week? Yes! the last time i cycle on clen was, 2days on 2days off. For the winstrol, total for 1week is 700mgs? yes! anyway the clen should it be on mgs or mcg basis? mcgs and tablet form is best imo

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[adlyn]

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Thank you Ron for spending your time replying my question.

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
What do you know about Saw Palmetto for use in preventing hair loss caused by DHT?
It's supposed to block DHT from the scalp.
Can it hinder gains from a cycle during this process?
Do you know whar dosage should be taken?
Is there anything else I should know about before trying it?
I will be using it with Minoxidil & Nizoral btw.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,
What do you know about Saw Palmetto for use in preventing hair loss caused by DHT? It won't work. Only pharmaceutical drugs can work.
It's supposed to block DHT from the scalp.
Can it hinder gains from a cycle during this process?
Do you know whar dosage should be taken? sorry but no I do not because it is not effective at any dosage.
Is there anything else I should know about before trying it?
I will be using it with Minoxidil & Nizoral btw. Nizoral does not work either!

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[delta1111]

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Many thanks Ronnie.

[SomeRandomGuy]

Here's what I have taken so far, going for 600mg Test E, 300mg Deca for the first 8 weeks:

9/10/10 - 500mg Test E, 300mg Deca (Frontloading)
9/13/10 - 500mg Test E, 300mg Deca (Frontloading)
9/16/10 - 300mg Test E, 150mg Deca
9/16/10 - Exemestane 10mg, Cabergoline .25mg

Future:

9/19/10 - 2.5ml: (1.2ml Test E (300mg), 1.25ml Deca (150mg))
9/19/10 - Exemestane 10mg, Cabergoline .25mg
HCG 250i.u. Starting Week 3
Repeat E3D till end of Week 8

Week 9-10 Bridge with 250mg Test E (Break from HCG? Or PCT... Honestly bridging makes the most sense to me since you can't very well PCT with AAS still in your blood.)

Weeks 11-18 - Same Regimen as before but 1000mg Test E, 600mg Deca, Drop Deca 3 weeks before Week 19-20

Weeks 19-20 - Deload with 250mg Test E? Or Drop AAS and continue HCG? If I keep using Test, then Weeks 21-24 should be bumped out 2 weeks to wait for test levels to drop?

Weeks 21-24 - PCT (I have it all, I'll figure this out at the end)

BF % sucks, trying to bulk while cutting... At 1-2lbs/wk fatloss, it should take me the better part of a year to get to 10% BF :S. I'd run Clen/T3/Keto, but I always seem to rebound on that stuff.

Getting 30 min cardio every day right after workouts, eating 6 500 cal meals = ~3000 cals/day, all whole foods except whey protein shakes. P: Tuna, Steak, Chicken - C: Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Whole Wheat Bread, OJ after workouts F: Peanut Butter or Olive Oil. ~2 Gal Water/day.

Was doing 40/40/20 all day, but going to try and go Protein/Fat for last 1-2 meals now.

I read what you said last post about only using HCG during 2nd 8 week reload, but I read from another reputable member online that "If your on AAS longer than 4-5 weeks using some sort of androgen that causes "shutdown", then HCG should be used during at the dose specified. But take a break from it every 8-10 weeks for 2-3 weeks, then start again on the same protocool.

You can use HCG at the very end, but a larger initial dose is needed to activate the testes again. Thats a sort of treatment for the testes failing, I prefer and suggest a treatment."

So since I'm not staying on cycle year-round (at least not yet :S), I figured I'd run the HCG starting Week 3 or so, till Week 8, then drop for 2 weeks, then throughout 2nd 8 Week period. Good?

Reading through your responses... I guess you're not a fan of AI's like Exemestane unless needed. It's not as harsh as Anastrozole? I can drop this until needed... What about the Cabergoline to fix my prolactin issues from so much Deca?

And finally, what about using Finasteride or Dutasteride to save what's left of my hair? I have it, but I am reluctant to use it because above all, I hate sides. They make me not want to do this anymore .

Kinda lengthy, I should learn how to condense... Thanks much.

[ColdShot]

Hi Ronnie!
i read your protocol and find it quite enlighting....
short question:
what about long esters compunds that are supposed to take longer to act.
In my case: BOLDENONE
I've been always told and I read almost everywhere that 8 weeks with boldenone will show little to nothing and everybody advises to stick to it for AT LEAST 12 to 14 weeks to see noticeble results...
should I consider a 8+2+8 for Boldenone as well?
I'm thinking of a Boldenone(500/w)+TestE(500week) cycle with some 4 or 5 weeks D-bol kick-in at start
Thanks a lot!

[Ronnie Rowland]

More evidence showing that arimidex can destroy your joints!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...36#post5349336

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie!
I read your protocol and find it quite enlighting....
Short question:
What about long esters compunds that are supposed to take longer to act.
In my case: Boldenone
i've been always told and i read almost everywhere that 8 weeks with boldenone will show little to nothing and everybody advises to stick to it for at least 12 to 14 weeks to see noticeble results...you'll see gains with eq just as fast as test-e. The active life OF EQ is around 1 week. However, it takes around 12 weeks for the blood to really thicken while using eq and that's the confusion! They are getting vascualarity mixed up with muscle growth and those two are not one in the same. EQ is very weak and provides little muscle growth IMO. I would just run more test!Should i consider a 8+2+8 for boldenone as well? I would only run the eq 8 weeks at a time, it at all, during reloads because increasing the thickness of your blood too much can creates high blood pressure and possible stroke. Stay well hydrated while using eq. I'm thinking of a boldenone(500/w)+teste(500week) cycle with some 4 or 5 weeks d-bol kick-in at start that will work.yes! but, test and the d-bol would work even better.[b][/b]above
thanks a lot!

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

best stack for strength????

[Ronnie Rowland]

best stack for strength????

test and anadrol or test and d-bol. Tren is also a good addition for some but it affects a lot of peoples breathing so much they cannot get in a good leg or back workout..deca is a good add-on as far as joint support is concerned from heavy lifting.

[V8Assassin]

Thanks for the answer Ronnie. I finished the four week pct with nolva/clomid. Feeling great and the gyno is completely under control. No senstitivity and noticable size difference in small knot as well as much less water retention on chest.

Getting ready to start 20 week cycle to look like this:

wks 1-8
420mg test ent/420mg test cyp/600mg deca

wks 9-10
1500iu hcg

wks 11-18
1gram test e/300mg deca

I have plenty of hcg on hand as well as adex, nolva and clomid. I would really like to stay away from the adex and rely on the nolva to control any signs of gyno. Would it be best to take something like 20mg of nolva eod from day one or just stay off the AI's unless needed and then go to the adex at .25 - .50 mg eod?

Also, it's permissable I would like to post some pics and get your opinion.


edit: forgot to add, will be starting 2ius ed of red top next week for four weeks, then go to 3ius ed for 2 weeks, and up to 4ius ed for the next 10.5 months as long as side effects are tolerable at 4ius ed.

[The Titan99]

I and having some elbow/lower biceps pain the last week or so. I can also work through it but it really hurts when I turn my wrist to the inside (checking the time on my watch) or during the rotation on a Zottman curl-type movement. Through trial and error I've narrowed the aggravation of the injury down to hammer curls and possibly bent over over hand grip rows. I'm one week into my deload and it seems to get better in the periods between these two exercises. Would you suggest cutting out hammers for a week? For biceps I'm currently doing 4 sets of spider curls 3 sets of preacher curls and 3 sets of hammers (deloads I'm doing 2,2,2). Would you add a set to each of the others? Thanks a lot in advance Ron.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I and having some elbow/lower biceps pain the last week or so. I can also work through it but it really hurts when I turn my wrist to the inside (checking the time on my watch) or during the rotation on a Zottman curl-type movement. Through trial and error I've narrowed the aggravation of the injury down to hammer curls and possibly bent over over hand grip rows. I CAN NO LONGER DO HAMMER CURLS DUE TO THIS VERY THING. I WOULD USE CABLES "ONLY" FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AT 12-15 REPS PER SET TO ALLOW THE TENDON TO HEAL. USE ANTI-INFLAMMATORIES LIKE ADVIL AS WELL. BACK TRAINING IS HARD ON THE BICEP TENDONS AND ELBOWS. DO LESS WEIGHT AND FOCUS ON THE SQUEEZE. I CAN NO LONGER USE LOW REPS WITH BACK TRAINING AS IT CAN REALLY FLARE UP MY ELBOWS/BICEP TENDONS. YOU MAY NEED TO STICK WITH ALL CABLE WORK FOR TRICEPS AS WELL UNTIL IT HEALS. I STEER CLEAR FROM SKULL CRUSHERS AND DIPS AT MY AGE. I'm one week into my deload and it seems to get better in the periods between these two exercises. Would you suggest cutting out hammers for a week? STOP THEM FOR A MONTH OR MORE. HAMMERS ARE MOSTLY A FOREARM EXERCISE ANYWAYS.For biceps I'm currently doing 4 sets of spider curls 3 sets of preacher curls and 3 sets of hammers (deloads I'm doing 2,2,2). Would you add a set to each of the others? I would do 3 sets of cable curls to really get the tensons warmed up then proceed to five sets of spiders curls during reloads. That's my current bicep workout! Thanks a lot in advance Ron.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks for the answer ronnie. I finished the four week pct with nolva/clomid. Feeling great and the gyno is completely under control. No senstitivity and noticable size difference in small knot as well as much less water retention on chest.

Getting ready to start 20 week cycle to look like this:

Wks 1-8
420mg test ent/420mg test cyp/600mg deca

wks 9-10
1500iu hcg

wks 11-18
1gram test e/300mg deca (increase test to 1.5 grams and drop deca if libido goes south during (first reload. That's way too long time to run deca imo)
i have plenty of hcg on hand as well as adex, nolva and clomid. I would really like to stay away from the adex and rely on the nolva to control any signs of gyno. Would it be best to take something like 20mg of nolva eod from day one or just stay off the ai's unless needed and then go to the adex at .25 - .50 mg eod? Stay off all anties!!! The best antie for men is aromasin not nolvadex. Letro is good 2 weeks out from a show as it makes you very dry.

also, it's permissable i would like to post some pics and get your opinion. please do!

edit: Forgot to add, will be starting 2ius ed of red top next week for four weeks, then go to 3ius ed for 2 weeks, and up to 4ius ed for the next 10.5 months as long as side effects are tolerable at 4ius ed. nice! Some need 8-12 ius to notice a lot but let's see how you respond.

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[JuliusPleaser]

Thought of something that could make Sling Shot more effective...

I was thinking the other day, since STS deloads and reloads phases are about 10 weeks for the first half and 10 weeks for the second, the first half being 2.5 months as with the second half...

Would you think it would be more beneficial to FURTHER sling shot into a growth phase by changing your workout during phase 2??? or even adding an extra set or 2 to each excersize...

for example, i am only doing 9 sets for chest, triceps, bicep, shoulders and im doing 14 sets for back at 12 sets for legs (legs are split on two diff days)...my body has responded VERY VERY well to this type of training because I take about 2 mins break between each set, increase weight and really push to the good failure doing straight sets... so lets say with the new RELOAD phase to i increase each body part set by 2-3 sets...i was thinking this would add more change as well...what are ur thoughts on this?

I will be trying this because i think it makes sense being that you should change your workout every couple of months, so i was thinking, not only are u sling shoting your results by increasing your dosages in phase 2, by doing this i believe you FURTHER shocking your muscles into forced growth with new excersizes

what are your thoughts on this? makes sense to me

by the way im on week 6, eating 8 meals a day and I'm looking/feeling great, can't wait to deload LOL then reload

[Ronnie Rowland]

thought of something that could make sling shot more effective...

I was thinking the other day, since sts deloads and reloads phases are about 10 weeks for the first half and 10 weeks for the second, the first half being 2.5 months as with the second half...

Would you think it would be more beneficial to further sling shot into a growth phase by changing your workout during phase 2??? Or even adding an extra set or 2 to each excersize...some of my clients do it all the time. Manipulating sets and reps during reloads is good but not mandatory.

For example, i am only doing 9 sets for chest, triceps, bicep, shoulders and im doing 14 sets for back at 12 sets for legs (legs are split on two diff days)...my body has responded very very well to this type of training because i take about 2 mins break between each set, increase weight and really push to the good failure doing straight sets... So lets say with the new reload phase to i increase each body part set by 2-3 sets...i was thinking this would add more change as well...what are ur thoughts on this? i would not do too much as over-training will occur. 12 sets for any body part is enough period!!!! But with back you can do a little more than 12 total sets if needed as you are really working two muscle groups (lat width and lat thickness muscles) same principles applies to legs. You would never want to do over 12 sets for quads but once you add in hams you may do upwards of 20 sets for legs total. I have learned that 12 sets toal on lats is plenty for me. Anymore and i lose intensity! A good plan for chest would be 6 sets one week, then 9 sets the next week or two, then maybe 12 sets the next week, then start cycle all over. Do what keeps you motivated and feels right to you. I train with such intensity that i rarely need over 9 sets. Keep in mind i will be 45 in jan and my joints can only take so much volume. Younger people can usually do a bit more for longer if they get a lot of rest. i will be trying this because i think it makes sense being that you should change your workout every couple of months, so i was thinking, not only are u sling shoting your results by increasing your dosages in phase 2, by doing this i believe you further shocking your muscles into forced growth with new excersizes new exercises do not force growth. It's best to stick to the bread and butter exercises to prevent injury and allow specific adaptations to occur. Changing sets, reps and even the amount of time you rest between sets can help force growth but stay with the same exercises unless joint pain arises.
what are your thoughts on this? Makes sense to me

by the way im on week 6, eating 8 meals a day and i'm looking/feeling great, can't wait to deload lol then reload good to hear

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[Maronn]

Hi Ronnie,

I started my second reload 2 weeks ago (with 700mg TE/week). Due to shoulder problems I have to rest for at least 2 weeks. I thought I just decrease test to 250mg/week during the rest and start new with the second reload after my shoulders are better. Is this a good idea?

Another question. Do you think it is ok to inject 500mg test e5d (so a total of 700mg/week) or should I reduce the intervall to let say 300mg e3d. Would every 5 days ok or is the interval to long for a minimum of side effects?

Many thanks!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

more opinions... on bi a post on promuscle please ron!!!

"Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.

Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).

Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.

BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.

And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.

Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.

It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about."

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[Ronnie Rowland]

more opinions... On bi a post on promuscle please ron!!!

"pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. true to a large degree but genetics play a huge role as well. No amount of drugs will turn a chiwawa into a pitbull. don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. lol..he's certainly telling it like it is here! The agenda is usually to sell supplements, training or diet programs. those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas. true story!

reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. yes, they use 1 gram of test or so during deloads! gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously). true again!

several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, gh as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30iu/day, etc. he tells the cold hard facts here! Got to respect that!
but, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it. very true once again!
and ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc. not so much but somewhat true!

still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions, (this means stomach problems from excess protein intake and excess caloric intake)they pass out from walking a flight of stairs (this is from using so much trenbolone and/or holding too much water. Also from weighing so much!), they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces same as above. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are all existant in virtually all of them. yes!
it is not a healthy sport, drug use is enormous, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about." true and that's the main reason i will never become a pro-bodybuilder..Well maybe when I am 60 plus..lol
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[The Titan99]

In addition to my forearm/biceps tendon issue (which is getting better since I've implemented what you advised) I've got some real pain right between my traps on a line between my shoulders. It came on slowly about 2 days ago, got better when I did my chest workout, then was aggravated last night while doing back. It's better with Advil, but I can feel it all the way down my arms while performing bent over over hand grip rows and also when I tip my head back and arch my back. Aching a lot. It's not debilitating, but I don't want it to become so either.

I'm in the second week of my deload and have legs and arms to do the next two days. I'm bridging with 200 mg of Test C. My question is, should I deload with the bridge for another week, start my reload thinking the Extra Test/Deca will help it, or take a week off from lifting (this is what the Doc says, but it's the VERY last thing I want to do. Same guy tells me 100 g of protein a day and 20 minutes of walking is sufficient. I think everyone knows what I mean.) Maybe even PCT(Arrgh)? Also, what do you advise on the diet, based on what you advise on the rest, of course? I'm currently doing 350p/230c/85f and have the protein and carbs swapped due to the deload. I think everyone has to deal with various injuries as they workout and to stop with every little pain would be stupid. I also know this is a long haul sport and I'm on no specific time frame, I just don't want to waste time, nor do I want to end up with something that takes me out for 6 months.

Sorry for the length of the post. Just a little frustrated...

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

i started my second reload 2 weeks ago (with 700mg te/week). Due to shoulder problems i have to rest for at least 2 weeks. I thought i just decrease test to 250mg/week during the rest and start new with the second reload after my shoulders are better. Is this a good idea? yes!

another question. Do you think it is ok to inject 500mg test e5d (so a total of 700mg/week) or should i reduce the intervall to let say 300mg e3d. Would every 5 days ok or is the interval to long for a minimum of side effects? either way is fine! I know guys who inject 3mls of test once per week and do fine.
many thanks!

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[Stiffmeister]

Hey Ronnie I have to say man, this is the best info I have EVER come across. I think many are sick and tired of losing gains post cycle and taking huge amounts of time off.

So you are basically saying if someone were to run a reload/deload of test @ 600mg per weeek/ 250mg per week, they would gain way more strength and size than if they just ran 20 weeks straight of test at 600mg?

Then why does so many people even vets and mods on here propose 12-20 week cycles with no deload at all? so many ppl listen to them...

Also...why do alot of people on here claim they keep their gains with proper PCT even months later, even though you say you WILL start losing them after only a few weeks? Thats probably the dilemma most reading this have...its hard to look at veds/mods on here who have great physiques but still preach time on=time off. i totally understand the STS and i KNOW it wll work better than straight 16 weekers on the same dosage. im just wondering how so many people on here claim to keep all their gains, yet according to yourself they should start losing it after a few weeks no matter how good diet and pct it. Not saying ur wrong or they are, just wanna clear that up man. Sorry if I came off rude, just trying to untangle shit .

If so tell me if i am correct here with my proposed cycle:

Reload week 1-8: Test cyp 800mg/week
Deload week 9-10: Test cyp 250mg/week (or should i up this? I want my body to normalize enough to make the next reload super effective though....)
Reload week 11-18: Test Cyp 800mg/week
Deload 19-20: Test cyp 250mg/week

Does injecting 2x a week or 3x or 1x etc matter much? I prefer to space it out as much as possible to keep blood levels stable...

Lifting:

Reload: 12 sets MAX per bodypart/week
Deload: 6 sets Max per bodypart/week

What rep ranges do you suggest and do you recommend changing it from reload to deload? or just keep it the same because its less volume anyways?

Also for sets, say 3 sets for flat bench...only the last set should be to failure correct? and should you ALWAYS go to failure on the last set on both the reload and deload?

Diet:

Reload: 2g/per lb bodyweight protein, lots of good carbs/fats but separated
Deload: 1g/per lb bodyweight protein, lower carbs, higher fats for insulin sensitivity when next reload occurs, but stay at maintenance cals

sound good? anything else i missed?

[D@K]

Hey Ronnie. I was planning on the following routine

Mon OFF
Tuesday Chest/Biceps/Forearms
Wed Calves/Legs
Thursday OFF
Friday Shoulders/Triceps
Saturday OFF
Sunday Back/Traps

But I am now suffering from a knee injury and cannot train legs for a couple of months. So how would you tweak this routine accordingly? The training days are the only ones that fit my schedules.. And I want to train 4days a week not 3. Thank you

[Maronn]

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Many thanks for your help!

[fozzy02]

Ronnie, im starting a cycle with tren and test cyp.. couple qustions for you about your 8week load and reload.

1. how often or when should i start using arimidex and how much? i have liquid form.

2. also at the end of the 8 weeks and the other 2 weeks you say to stay off the anaobolics, what should i be taking during these 2 weeks until i start up again?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, im starting a cycle with tren and test cyp.. Couple qustions for you about your 8week load and reload.

1. How often or when should i start using arimidex and how much? I have liquid form. you would never run it unless gyno occurs. If gyno occurs run it at .05mgs per day for 2 weeks then reduce to .025 mgs eod. Rememeber, anti-es can be much harder on your over-all health than the most potent steroids.
2. Also at the end of the 8 weeks and the other 2 weeks you say to stay off the anaobolics, what should i be taking during these 2 weeks until i start up again?1 ml of test cyp per week

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[RobMann2]

that was interesting reading my friend, can u explain it to me like i was a five year old...reloading and deloading?? The 8 weeks are enough to run a cycle?? And how do u know the stuff your using is legit?? Its so hard and frustrating at times??? AGREED??

[drluv]

Hi in my opinion, the two week deload is not long enough for your body to recover from steroid cycle (reload).

Your body will still have active steroids in your system, as 2 weeks is not long enough for your receptor sites to unsaturate again. Especially from long acting esters.

Could you please clarify why only two weeks and how in these two weeks you will come back stronger for a reload? And how in these two weeks (deload) will your receptors become unsaturated so quick?

thanks