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    [QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5693621]
    Quote Originally Posted by ricky23 View Post
    225 is where I like to stay. Been as high as 250 and arms got up to 22 inches pumped but I felt fat, lethargic, and began experiencing severe headaches from having high blood pressure..Never again..lol
    woah! no doubt you could have been pro especially with those arms and delts genetics!!
    how much do you weigh on stage?
    ronnie after a 2 week prime with no aas for receptor cleansing good idea to throw in anadrol with my usual test/tren combo to up total dosages. my last 3 mass gain reloads have had 1.5g test - reckon i should up to 2g (never felt bad sides from test like flu etc)?
    do you reckon running both as enanthates would be better than esther mixes?
    thanks mate
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    is aromasin considered to be liver toxic? is it considered to be Zero/low/mild/high liver toxic? the reason why am asking cause am having liver discomfort when i sit and checked my liver enzymes came back a bit whacked. is it from the medications am on for the surgery and pct compunds? this is what am on right now: aromasin,nolva,antiboitics, anti-inflamatory, steroid nasal spray, ursodeoxycholic acid month course for reduction of liver fat. i think that fast food, med drugs (antiboitic/tylenol..et) can elevate ALT liver value?

    would you say the aromasin i have is good or underosed by lookin at these value?

    *estrodiol: 69.14 (7.63-42.6)
    day1: 37.5mg aromasin, 100clomid
    day2: 37.5 aromasin, 100 clomid, 40 nolva
    day3: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day4: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day5: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    *estradiol: 38 (11-44)
    day6: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day7: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day8: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day9: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day10: 12.5 aromasin, 20 nolva
    *estradiol: 34 (11-44)

    am really confused! am off cycle and aromasin should knock down the estro way easier then on cycle. i guess its time to get pharm grade aromsin, cause all these research chemical companies make underdosed ancillaries i think...Ron would agree with me the aromasin am using is underdosed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kml999 View Post
    is aromasin considered to be liver toxic? is it considered to be Zero/low/mild/high liver toxic? the reason why am asking cause am having liver discomfort when i sit and checked my liver enzymes came back a bit whacked. is it from the medications am on for the surgery and pct compunds? this is what am on right now: aromasin,nolva,antiboitics, anti-inflamatory, steroid nasal spray, ursodeoxycholic acid month course for reduction of liver fat. i think that fast food, med drugs (antiboitic/tylenol..et) can elevate ALT liver value? A lot of medications can cause an increase in liver enzymes to those who are prone. I would say aromasin is low on liver toxic scale and how do you know the pain is coming from your liver? It would be rare to have pain from aromasin unless its joint or muscular. And this stuff you are taking to reduce liver fat would be the obvious culprit if indeed the pain is actually coming from the liver. I do know that some females have ovarian pain while taking strong anti-es like letro. I think you should contact your doctor and ask him what he thinks is causing the pain if it continues. would you say the aromasin i have is good or underosed by lookin at these value? imo underdosed.
    *estrodiol: 69.14 (7.63-42.6)
    day1: 37.5mg aromasin, 100clomid
    day2: 37.5 aromasin, 100 clomid, 40 nolva
    day3: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day4: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day5: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    *estradiol: 38 (11-44)
    day6: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day7: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day8: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day9: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
    day10: 12.5 aromasin, 20 nolva
    *estradiol: 34 (11-44)

    am really confused! am off cycle and aromasin should knock down the estro way easier then on cycle. i guess its time to get pharm grade aromsin, cause all these research chemical companies make underdosed ancillaries i think...Ron would agree with me the aromasin am using is underdosed? It probably is underdosed and it may not even be aromasin.
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    Ron please check post #3164 (you replied twice for the same post)

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    Thanks for your help Ronnie ..... you are tops!

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    Hey Ron, for cutting do you prefer Masteron or oxandrolone? If you were going to incorporate Masteron into a Test prop 1000 mg/Tren E 800 mg cutting cycle, what would be a good dosage?
    Also, I've recently come across a steroid blend of Test Ace 50mg/ml Tren Ace 50 mg/ Drost Prop 50 mg/ml. Would 2.5 ml ed be a comparable cycle to the Test Prop 1000 mg/ Tren E 800 mg/75 mg Var ed? What is your opinion regarding this stuff?
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    Hey Ron when i cut you mentioned Var, primo and low dose of test since im prone to hairloss. Im seeing a lot of people saying primo can be horrid on the hairline.

    Whats your opinion on that,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimshady01 View Post
    Hey Ron when i cut you mentioned Var, primo and low dose of test since im prone to hairloss. Im seeing a lot of people saying primo can be horrid on the hairline.

    Whats your opinion on that,.
    Primobolan is a low androgenic steroid. The lower on the androgenic scale the better odds of having less hair loss. Drugs such as anavar, deca and primobolan are more anabolic than androgenic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    Primobolan is a low androgenic steroid. The lower on the androgenic scale the better odds of having less hair loss. Drugs such as anavar, deca and primobolan are more anabolic than androgenic.
    Here is my situation Ron,

    I quoted the above so you can hopefully remember whats taking place.

    im starting my 14th week of the 20 weeker bulk tomorrow Aug1st.

    I ran 500test and 400 deca first 8 weeks. I was scared to up test to 750 on the second reload because of my fine hair. I almost went straight into a cut as you mentioned but I gave the 750 a shot.

    My hair is started to shed a lot now so im a little scared and may just switch over to a cut and day to hell with getting big. I will just have to be happy with a lean beach body type figure.

    Here are my questions.

    1. Since im starting my 14th week which I will finish out to wait and hear from you. Do i need to do any deload "drop to 250test" or can i just go straight to a 16 week cut.

    2. I Know you said primo var and test for my cut. I just ordered and spent a crap ton on Primo, i have enough for 800mg for 16 weeks. I also have enough Var for 50mg 16 weeks.
    Primo is scaring me at 800 or any dose for hairloss. I know it looks good on paper as being more anabolic but I cant find anything good about this DHT derivitive. People are complaining all over the boards on it destroying their hair and they themselves thought it looked good on paper as. I think winnie looks good on paper to but that thins people out as well.

    I may try the primo down the road but i would like to stabalize my hairloss now so i would know which is causing it.

    I know deca is not recommended for cutting because of bloat but with a strict lower carb cycling diet would it not work?

    Weeks 1-16 Test at 300-500 "Depending on hair"
    Deca 1-14ish 300mg
    Var 1-16 50mg

    The above cycle is "hair safer" What do you think?

    Also is it safe for me to be running deca this long since ive already been on it during this phase.

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    [QUOTE=slimshady01;5706217]Here is my situation Ron,

    I quoted the above so you can hopefully remember whats taking place.

    im starting my 14th week of the 20 weeker bulk tomorrow Aug1st.

    I ran 500test and 400 deca first 8 weeks. I was scared to up test to 750 on the second reload because of my fine hair. I almost went straight into a cut as you mentioned but I gave the 750 a shot.

    My hair is started to shed a lot now so im a little scared and may just switch over to a cut and day to hell with getting big. I will just have to be happy with a lean beach body type figure. Nothing wrong with that..The girls love it!!!

    Here are my questions.

    1. Since im starting my 14th week which I will finish out to wait and hear from you. Do i need to do any deload "drop to 250test" or can i just go straight to a 16 week cut. GO STRAIGHT INTO CUTTING CYCLE.

    2. I Know you said primo var and test for my cut. I just ordered and spent a crap ton on Primo, i have enough for 800mg for 16 weeks. I also have enough Var for 50mg 16 weeks.
    Primo is scaring me at 800 or any dose for hairloss. I know it looks good on paper as being more anabolic but I cant find anything good about this DHT derivitive. People are complaining all over the boards on it destroying their hair and they themselves thought it looked good on paper as. I think winnie looks good on paper to but that thins people out as well. Start primo at 400 per week and see how well you do on it then increase if desired
    I may try the primo down the road but i would like to stabalize my hairloss now so i would know which is causing it.

    I know deca is not recommended for cutting because of bloat but with a strict lower carb cycling diet would it not work? of course you can cut on deca, especially if you run an anti-prolactin with it to keep down water bloat..

    Weeks 1-16 Test at 300-500 "Depending on hair"
    Deca 1-14ish 300mg
    Var 1-16 50mg

    The above cycle is "hair safer" What do you think? This will kill your sex drive-hence no reason to have hair if you catch my drift! I would run test at 200 mgs per week with the above cycle to maintain libido.

    Also is it safe for me to be running deca this long since ive already been on it during this phase.yes its safe but not good for sex drive and you may find that primo is easier on your hair than deca. everyone reacts differently.[/QUOTE]above

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    Hey Ron
    I noticed you recommend accutane for acne somewhere in a thread. My wife has suffered for years with acne with very little help from the dermatologist. the antibiotics helped some, but not much. She has tried everything and is diligent about face cleaning and such. She is 30 and still having very bad issues at times with this. It seems to be worse when the monthly hormones hit. She can't take accutane as she still wants another child.

    Do you have any other ideas that might help?
    Thanx Ronnie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelevra View Post
    Hey Ron
    I noticed you recommend accutane for acne somewhere in a thread. My wife has suffered for years with acne with very little help from the dermatologist. the antibiotics helped some, but not much. She has tried everything and is diligent about face cleaning and such. She is 30 and still having very bad issues at times with this. It seems to be worse when the monthly hormones hit. She can't take accutane as she still wants another child.

    Do you have any other ideas that might help?what antibiotic did she take and did she apply the cream at night in addition to the pills.
    Thanx Ronnie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    above
    Do you have any other ideas that might help?what antibiotic did she take and did she apply the cream at night in addition to the pills.
    Thanx Ronnie.


    benzoyl peroxide gel AM
    Differin gel PM
    solodyn (minocycline HCI, USP) 115mg once daily
    She just went back a week ago and this is what he put her on. Same as before, but a stronger antibiotic. (i think)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelevra View Post
    Do you have any other ideas that might help?what antibiotic did she take and did she apply the cream at night in addition to the pills.
    Thanx Ronnie.


    benzoyl peroxide gel AM
    Differin gel PM
    solodyn (minocycline HCI, USP) 115mg once daily
    She just went back a week ago and this is what he put her on. Same as before, but a stronger antibiotic. (i think)
    My recommendation for her is one 100mg tablet of DOXYCYCLINE HYCLATE every morning.

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    ronnie, for past deloads ive always just replaced protein cals with carb cals. this time was thinking of reducing carbs aswell as protein but upping fat cals to level out. for me that would be 250g protein 200g carbs 180g fats
    good idea???!!
    thanks man

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    [QUOTE=ricky23;5697351]ronnie, for past deloads ive always just replaced protein cals with carb cals. this time was thinking of reducing carbs aswell as protein but upping fat cals to level out. for me that would be 250g protein 200g carbs 180g fats
    good idea???!! I would do moderate protein, moderate fats and moderate carbs. Just eat normal-nothing exotic is required! You simply need to provide yourself with a break from high protein diet. /QUOTE]above

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    apart from bodyfat, does hgh keep the water weight from gear off your face? how much cardio can u really get away with without eating away at ur muscle when tryn to gain size, for eg ...all the big guys in wrestling have a hell of a lot of cardio to do or is it gona be dependant on how much gear u take and they tend to just up the dosage if losing muscle from all the cardio? im stil reading the dynamite kids book and wot he said happened to him from the large doses of steroids was he had a heart attack from having an enlarged heart which was caused because the heart is a muscle so that grew along with every other muscle, is this a freak rare incident the heart growing because ive never heard of any bodybuilders heart that grew, wud it not be happening to everyone then? because isnt anyone who wants to be pro size or near enough to it gonna have to take more or less the same high amount of gear. lastly ron regarding my last post about how pro's use gear when they have to do guest posing in all parts of the world , i understand u cant say on this thread but is it possible to answer this in a private mail to me? if not i understand , cheers again ron and best of luck to u and ur wife in yer shows!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynxeffect1;569***5
    apart from bodyfat, does hgh keep the water weight from gear off your face? NO, just fat weight but t-3 can help some with water weight. Proviron would be your best bet. how much cardio can u really get away with without eating away at ur muscle when tryn to gain size, for eg ...all the big guys in wrestling have a hell of a lot of cardio to do or is it gona be dependant on how much gear u take and they tend to just up the dosage if losing muscle from all the cardio? First of all it depends on your metabolism. The slower your metabolic rate, the more cardio you can get by with before tappibng into muscle. And drugs also help prevent muscle loss, im stil reading the dynamite kids book and wot he said happened to him from the large doses of steroids was he had a heart attack from having an enlarged heart which was caused because the heart is a muscle so that grew along with every other muscle, is this a freak rare incident the heart growing because ive never heard of any bodybuilders heart that grew, wud it not be happening to everyone then? Not everyone! He was genetically prone to this side effect. because isnt anyone who wants to be pro size or near enough to it gonna have to take more or less the same high amount of gear. YES lastly ron regarding my last post about how pro's use gear when they have to do guest posing in all parts of the world , i understand u cant say on this thread but is it possible to answer this in a private mail to me? I can assure you they are not taking injectables on board a plane these days. They inject large amounts (front load) before they leave. They use to hide orals but too risky these days. of not i understand , cheers again ron and best of luck to u and ur wife in yer shows!
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    First of all THANK YOU VERY MUCH for creating this and taking time to answer all the questions.
    I have to be honest i read up until page 21 but i gave up.
    So i don't know if you answered this already but whats your take on taking in less test than, lets say, tren per week?
    Also, If i'm already in a reload phase of 50mg Prop ED and 75mg TrenA ED and deload with only 50md Prop EOD in the next reload phase can i add Equi and keep goinf for 3 or more reload\load?

    If you answer this i will go into more detail about my plans

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazinspiderman View Post
    First of all THANK YOU VERY MUCH for creating this and taking time to answer all the questions.
    I have to be honest i read up until page 21 but i gave up.
    So i don't know if you answered this already but whats your take on taking in less test than, lets say, tren per week? It's perfectly fine if you can breath, sleep and have sex!
    Also, If i'm already in a reload phase of 50mg Prop ED and 75mg TrenA ED and deload with only 50md Prop EOD in the next reload phase can i add Equi and keep goinf for 3 or more reload\load? Yes but EQ is very weak IMO and could be a waste of money.

    If you answer this i will go into more detail about my plans
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    Quote Originally Posted by LTU View Post
    Ronnie, for how long after my gear ( test prop, deca, dbol ) expires can I still use it and could you please give me your opinion on stacking these compounds ? Also, a big thank you for all your hard work and info - you rock !!
    Edit : need a source conformation : http:// read it on some other site, seems legit. If all this is true, then I should be able to use everything up to 1.5-2 years after expiration ( don't want to drag it on too long ).
    lol dude you cant link sources on an open board. I would remove that fast so you dont lose your account on here.

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    did another BW for HCG beta subunit and it came low! 1.2 (ND to 2.5) for male

    i guess i need to give HCG injections a try to get fully recovered? will my natural HCG production stabilize afterwards? or i have to live on hcg now? my lh/fsh are within range, but on the low end of the range

    hcg stimulates both LH/FSH? or only LH? i read to stimulate FSH in men you need inject FSH (Gonal F, Follistim)?
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    Hey Ron,
    I've got an on going problem with my right elbow. It started last month when I had been hitting arms twice a week. I was over training and started to get a real dull ache in my elbow. I used to get the same from arm wrestling. Heavy BB curls, skull crushers, dips, cable crossovers really make it worse. For instance, it throbs when I inhale quickly or cough. I've dropped my bi/tri workout the last 2 weeks, but last night made it worse benching and really fvcked it up doing cable crossovers. Had to take a bunch of pain killers afterwards. The pain was probably 8/10. Today I can feel it, but it's maybe a 1/10 on the pain scale. Doesn't seem to bother me on pulling/back exercises. Also, funny enough, it seems to be exacerbated by heavy squats. I'm in the middle of a cycle right now (800 mg Test Prop/800 mg Tren E/ 50 mg Proviron ed) and don't want to come off. I added in 250 mg of Deca per week for joint lube, but it's not helping the injury, just the other joints. I also have Anavar which I've read might help this injury. I cruise and blast for a year. 47 years old, so I know joint issues come with the territory. I'm dinged up in several other places also (rotator cuff, bi tendon, top of the shoulder) but I don't do well taking off. That said, I'll do what's necessary. I've got about 10-14 days before I should start my 12 week cut. I'm also wondering if I take off could I still do my leg work out each week anyway? Any advice from you will be immediately implemented.
    P.S. I've had this before and don't remember what exactly resolved it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the titan99 View Post
    hey ron,
    i've got an on going problem with my right elbow. It started last month when i had been hitting arms twice a week. I was over training and started to get a real dull ache in my elbow. I used to get the same from arm wrestling. Heavy bb curls, skull crushers, dips, cable crossovers really make it worse. i had to stop doing dips, skull crushers and cable cross overs for this very reason! for instance, it throbs when i inhale quickly or cough. I've dropped my bi/tri workout the last 2 weeks, but last night made it worse benching and really fvcked it up doing cable crossovers. Had to take a bunch of pain killers afterwards. The pain was probably 8/10. Today i can feel it, but it's maybe a 1/10 on the pain scale. Doesn't seem to bother me on pulling/back exercises. Also, funny enough, it seems to be exacerbated by heavy squats. I'm in the middle of a cycle right now (800 mg test prop/800 mg tren e/ 50 mg proviron ed) and don't want to come off. I added in 250 mg of deca per week for joint lube, but it's not helping the injury, just the other joints. I also have anavar which i've read might help this injury. I cruise and blast for a year. 47 years old, so i know joint issues come with the territory. I'm dinged up in several other places also (rotator cuff, bi tendon, top of the shoulder) but i don't do well taking off. That said, i'll do what's necessary. I've got about 10-14 days before i should start my 12 week cut. I'm also wondering if i take off could i still do my leg work out each week anyway? Any advice from you will be immediately implemented.
    P.s. I've had this before and don't remember what exactly resolved it...you must let it heal and stop using those movements that cause you pain. Its your age. I am going through the same thing and it sux i know. I got some futuro braces for elbow tendonitus to wear when bench pressing, etc and that helps as well. Got mine at walgreens. For now just do high rep pushdowns for triceps and for chest do high rep pressing (no crossovers). You may need to stop training for 2 weeks to let it heal. Thats your best option because you have an irritated tendon than could easily rupture right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kml999 View Post
    did another BW for HCG beta subunit and it came low! 1.2 (ND to 2.5) for male

    i guess i need to give HCG injections a try to get fully recovered? will my natural HCG production stabilize afterwards? I hope so..No one should ever try to recover without HCG. or i have to live on hcg now? If you do not recover youll need to be on HRT the rest of your life but I think there's a good chance you can recover with aggressive HCG pct. lh/fsh are within range, but on the low end of the range

    hcg stimulates both LH/FSH? or only LH? i read to stimulate FSH in men you need inject FSH (Gonal F, Follistim)? Don't overanalyze, just use HCG, It swhte best you can do!
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    Hey Ron,

    I think I will be at the Johnny Stewart Fitness show September 10th in Myrtle Beach coming up. Johnny works out and is a personal trainer at my gym. I was talking to him the other day and I asked him about you. He said "Ronnie is one hell of a bodybuilder". I will be going with my Pregnant "again" wife and a buddy i train with who is a genetic freak running his first cycle following your slingshot method!!

    It would be great if I ran into you. Just look out for the smallest guy there and it will most likely be me

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimshady01 View Post
    Hey Ron,

    I think I will be at the Johnny Stewart Fitness show September 10th in Myrtle Beach coming up. Johnny works out and is a personal trainer at my gym. I was talking to him the other day and I asked him about you. He said "Ronnie is one hell of a bodybuilder". I will be going with my Pregnant "again" wife and a buddy i train with who is a genetic freak running his first cycle following your slingshot method!!

    It would be great if I ran into you. Just look out for the smallest guy there and it will most likely be me It's a small world..lol..I have heard johnny speak and he's a really nice guy. He is one thick guy as well! I won't be making it to the Johnny Stewart unless plans change but my good friends Shawn Jackson and Marcus Williams will be there. Shawn and Johnny are good friends. I look for my boys to compete in the Light Heavy. They both have very good genetics.
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    hey ronnie, how did your wife's contest go?
    was it july 22nd??
    all the best

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    Ronnie....I was reading over the training section of Slingshot Training and I missed something....You say during your 8 week reload, use shorter ester gear? What if one is using all enanthate esters...Test E, Tren E, EQ...Should the Reload last longer than 8 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gi812Many View Post
    Ronnie....I was reading over the training section of Slingshot Training and I missed something....You say during your 8 week reload, use shorter ester gear? No, I think you misread. I prefer longer acting esters as a base with the option of adding short acting esters or orals. What if one is using all enanthate esters...Test E, Tren E, EQ...Should the Reload last longer than 8 weeks? No, short acting esters kick in no faster than longer acting esters, but they do peak higher. Your 8 week reload looks perfectly fine!
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    Ronnie,
    I'm using your method and running 500 test c/200 deca. I'm coming up on my 8 week mark for deload and want to make sure I understand the bridge method. Can I run 100 test c HCG for two weeks with a regular diet and expect to maintain my gains? Also, when I start my next 8 week cycle do I HAVE to increase the test c amount and if so how much would you recommend? Thanks again for your time and posts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marine2000 View Post
    Ronnie,
    I'm using your method and running 500 test c/200 deca. I'm coming up on my 8 week mark for deload and want to make sure I understand the bridge method. Can I run 100 test c HCG for two weeks with a regular diet and expect to maintain my gains? I would keep test at 220 per week to maintain gains at your level. A pro bodybuilder would need 1 gram per week. Also, when I start my next 8 week cycle do I HAVE to increase the test c amount and if so how much would you recommend? Bump it by 250-500 weekly. Thanks again for your time and posts!
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    Thanks for the answer! I'm taking your advice man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTU View Post
    Ronnie, for how long after my gear ( test prop, deca, dbol ) expires can I still use it and could you please give me your opinion on stacking these compounds ? Great stack for gaining size. Next time use sustanon instead of prop. The gear will still be fine a couple of years past exp date. Also, a big thank you for all your hard work and info - you rock !!
    Edit : need a source conformation : cant post this on open forum!!!.. [url]/url] read it on some other site, seems legit. If all this is true, then I should be able to use everything up to 1.5-2 years after expiration ( don't want to drag it on too long ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh2856 View Post
    DEFINETELY one of the best, most informative posts I have read so far.

    However I have a question. I am thinking of starting my first cycle consisiting of Test E, HCG, maybe Arimidex and Nolva. However I will only be doing one cycle and maaaaaybe another one 3 months later. Should I still follow this 8 week reload 2 week deload routine? Or should I extend my first cycle to 10 weeks since I will not be returning rght back to Test E after the deload phase?
    Just do 8 week cycle then deload then pct.


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    Hey Ronnie,

    I have searched all over this forum, site, and others and can not find a clear answer to this question. Can you take anavar with finasteride or will it actually make hairloss worse to take them together like with deca? (so I've read)

    I have male pattern baldness in my crown area (front is fine) which I take finasteride (propecia) 1.5mg a day which has seemed to stop any more hair loss from the area and I have no noticeable side effects from.
    I am 35, my sex drive is great, and have never run any kind of cycle what so ever.
    I am interested in running anavar only (no test etc although I know you normally recommend it..) because my goals are mostly leaning out and hardening up, and I really don't want to mess with post cycle therapies and the possibility of messing up my natural test production.

    If I can run anavar with or without finasteride and not experience any extra hair loss I'm all for it. If not, it's not worth losing more hair. I've had one hair replacement surgery already. Can you help me the facts on this? And also if Human Growth Hormone would be a safe and possible good addition in the future.

    Any recommended cycle times and dosages would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much for all you do on here. I've learned a ton from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reloaded4444 View Post
    Hey Ronnie,

    I have searched all over this forum, site, and others and can not find a clear answer to this question. Can you take anavar with finasteride or will it actually make hairloss worse to take them together like with deca? Finasteride should have no effect with var or deca. (so I've read)

    I have male pattern baldness in my crown area (front is fine) which I take finasteride (propecia) 1.5mg a day which has seemed to stop any more hair loss from the area and I have no noticeable side effects from.
    I am 35, my sex drive is great, and have never run any kind of cycle what so ever.
    I am interested in running anavar only (no test etc although I know you normally recommend it..) because my goals are mostly leaning out and hardening up, and I really don't want to mess with post cycle therapies and the possibility of messing up my natural test production. You'll still need post cycle therapy with anavar and test will harden you a lot more than var! Go with test since you are taking meds to combat hairloss.

    If I can run anavar with or without finasteride and not experience any extra hair loss I'm all for it. If not, it's not worth losing more hair. I've had one hair replacement surgery already. Can you help me the facts on this? And also if Human Growth Hormone would be a safe and possible good addition in the future. GH would be great! Test and GH is your best bet!

    Any recommended cycle times and dosages would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much for all you do on here. I've learned a ton from you.300-500 mgs of test weekly and 4ius of GH daily. If you add var go with 20-40 mgs daily. 20 week cycles are best!
    above

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    Hey Ron, I've taken a week off and am considering taking one more. I met a physio therapist on my island and she's fixed a lot of my problems in just one session. Bodybuilding is a tough sport with no access to chiropractic/physio help!!! Anyway, like you, I guess my days of weighted dips, skull crushers, cable crossovers, preacher curls are over. My question is what to replace some of these with. My current tri workout consists of 3 sets skull crushers, 3 sets of overhead one handed pulley/rope extensions and 3 sets of pulley/rope pushdowns. What should I replace the skull crushers with, or should I maybe just do 4 sets overhead and 4 sets of of pushdowns and after my rotator cuff is better maybe add in close grip bench? What do you recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Titan99 View Post
    Hey Ron, I've taken a week off and am considering taking one more. I met a physio therapist on my island and she's fixed a lot of my problems in just one session. Bodybuilding is a tough sport with no access to chiropractic/physio help!!! Anyway, like you, I guess my days of weighted dips, skull crushers, cable crossovers, preacher curls are over. My question is what to replace some of these with. My current tri workout consists of 3 sets skull crushers, 3 sets of overhead one handed pulley/rope extensions and 3 sets of pulley/rope pushdowns. What should I replace the skull crushers with, or should I maybe just do 4 sets overhead and 4 sets of of pushdowns and after my rotator cuff is better maybe add in close grip bench? What do you recommend?
    Do 8 sets of tricep pushdowns once per week for 4 weeks and then get back with me and we will try on adding in 1 extra exercise for triceps. Let it heal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    Do 8 sets of tricep pushdowns once per week for 4 weeks and then get back with me and we will try on adding in 1 extra exercise for triceps. Let it heal!
    Will do it. Thanks Ron

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