Help needed deciding what try next.

[Littlearnie]

im so indecisive about my next move. my plan was to cycle then cruise to another then possibly cruise to a third then pct, basicly after a few b&c's.
the problem is im not really working, so paying for bloodwork is money i dont have atm.

now i also dont want to wait untill im working and can afford everything to do my next cycle ( i might bum about for summer). also my training partner is starting hes cycle next week so would be good to do something together.

prev cycles. var only - dbol/tbol - test e / eq @ 300 pw & var 40mg per day last 6 weeks

the first two oral cycles were when i was younger and dummer. the test/eq/var i finished nearly three months ago. i consider was my first proper cycle.


atm im thinking test/eq and a new something. im thinking test lower at just trt mayber 150/200 a week (very acne prone). Eq 600/750 maybe?

i had a bit more acne and i put this down to the test? I was injecting the standard mon/thurs. ive been reading lately that more frequent injections lower the chances of sides. could this be for acne sides too?
am i right in my thinking that this means long esters eod and short ester ed? Im not a fan of injections but if it helps i will!

i was thinking deca or npp and i know deca dick etc is likely down to bad planning but i dont want to risk atm (new gf). so something that doesnt hinder libido, maybe even somethng that increases it?

[Windex]

im so indecisive about my next move. my plan was to cycle then cruise to another then possibly cruise to a third then pct, basicly after a few b&c's.
the problem is im not really working, so paying for bloodwork is money i dont have atm.

now i also dont want to wait untill im working and can afford everything to do my next cycle ( i might bum about for summer). also my training partner is starting hes cycle next week so would be good to do something together.

prev cycles. var only - dbol/tbol - test e / eq @ 300 pw & var 40mg per day last 6 weeks

the first two oral cycles were when i was younger and dummer. the test/eq/var i finished nearly three months ago. i consider was my first proper cycle.


atm im thinking test/eq and a new something. im thinking test lower at just trt mayber 150/200 a week (very acne prone). Eq 600/750 maybe?

i had a bit more acne and i put this down to the test? I was injecting the standard mon/thurs. ive been reading lately that more frequent injections lower the chances of sides. could this be for acne sides too?
am i right in my thinking that this means long esters eod and short ester ed? Im not a fan of injections but if it helps i will!

i was thinking deca or npp and i know deca dick etc is likely down to bad planning but i dont want to risk atm (new gf). so something that doesnt hinder libido, maybe even somethng that increases it?

You can't afford bloodwork but you can afford gear and food? Doesn't make sense.

Deca and NPP have no libido risk when used properly - sounds like you need to do more research. Being indecisive is the start of recipe for a train wreck

Whether or not your training partner is cycling should be irrelevant to your decision. If he does a gram of Tren are you just going to copy him too?

Before cycling consider becoming an adult and get a job so you can properly afford gear, food, and bloodwork.

[Littlearnie]

You can't afford bloodwork but you can afford gear and food? Doesn't make sense.

Deca and NPP have no libido risk when used properly - sounds like you need to do more research. Being indecisive is the start of recipe for a train wreck

Whether or not your training partner is cycling should be irrelevant to your decision. If he does a gram of Tren are you just going to copy him too?

Before cycling consider becoming an adult and get a job so you can properly afford gear, food, and bloodwork.

haha? i wish i could ban you from commenting on my posts. you give such arsey definitive ansers like you shit gold. dont answer questions people ask normally just some judgmental bollocks.

if your not gonna answer my questions then stay the fuck away.

also bloodwork at £200 a pop minimum compared to £100-£150 for the whole cycle of aas and food which i will be eating anyway, you know to stay alive! albeit at slightly higher volume.

[TooManyYears]

haha? i wish i could ban you from commenting on my posts. you give such arsey definitive ansers like you shit gold. dont answer questions people ask normally just some judgmental bollocks.

if your not gonna answer my questions then stay the fuck away.

also bloodwork at £200 a pop minimum compared to £100-£150 for the whole cycle of aas and food which i will be eating anyway, you know to stay alive! albeit at slightly higher volume.

So just to clarify, you are a cock, a tiny little flacid cock!

Sorry, but you're the **** here.
You ask for advise. And you get what you asked for... an answer.
Maybe he is straight to the point, but you can look at it another way. He is holding up a mirror for you to look at your question in another way.

[Littlearnie]

Sorry, but you're the **** here.
You ask for advise. And you get what you asked for... an answer.
Maybe he is straight to the point, but you can look at it another way. He is holding up a mirror for you to look at your question in another way.

i dont wanna turn this into a slag off. i would really like some help and advice.
windex as useual has not answered any of the questions in any way whatsoever, just been hes useual condecending self.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

What are you trying to get out of this cycle? You trying to gain muscle? Lean out? Recomp?

[TooManyYears]

Littlearnie
i dont wanna turn this into a slag off

Good to hear. I think no one wants that.

Littlearnie
i would really like some help and advice.
windex as useual has not answered any of the questions in any way whatsoever, just been hes useual condecending self.

Actually, Windex is given you help and advice. It just not the advice you were hoping for. You're looking for an answer like: take so much of this, so much of that and add a little this.
What Windex says is (@Windex: please correct me if I am wrong):
- You can't afford bloodwork but you can afford gear and food? Doesn't make sense.
These three should always go together. Is is NOT eating, training and running gear. Bloodwork should be mandatory. Since you don't have a lot of experience with gear, you do not know who you react to different compounds and what is does to your body. One of the most important means of learing is through bloodwork.

- Deca and NPP have no libido risk when used properly - sounds like you need to do more research. Being indecisive is the start of recipe for a train wreck
You do not fully understand the way Deca and/or NPP work, how they interact with other compounds and how to avoid sides. Why was is developed? What is it used for? What are the pro's and cons of these? Educated yourself. Read, learn and if you have any questions: ask them. If you are not sure what you are doing you leave yourself in the hands of others. But only you can know how your body reacts. Someone said: you are the teacher, you are the student and you are the guinea pig. Take your one responsibility!

-Whether or not your training partner is cycling should be irrelevant to your decision. If he does a gram of Tren are you just going to copy him too?
As above: take your own responsibility. Don't do something because someone else is doing something. Make your own decisions.

- Before cycling consider becoming an adult and get a job so you can properly afford gear, food, and bloodwork.
Training and everything that comes with it, is big fun. But having (or getting) your personal life up and running is ALWAYS the most important thing. (Most of us) are not pro's making a living out of it and because of that, having a job, being able to provide for yourself and taking care of yourself should always be number 1 on the list.

[Test Monsterone]

I understand that sometimes you need a boost in morale to even start interviewing for jobs. I was in a rut for a few years, where I had a part-time job, but I couldn't find anything significant in my line of work (business/markleting). I felt like shit and was depressed, and then I found out I had low-ish T. I decided to administer my own TRT, and it just so happened that I got a job and started it the day after my first injection. Granted, I didn't outright start a cycle, I started sensibly - but that quickly turned into a cycle. Windex warned me to not do that, but I did it anyway. I did, however, run bloodwork before I started. I used steroids as a way to get out of this rut, and guess what? It worked. Within a month I was feeling much better, more assertive, more confident. So I agree with Windex, but I also have to sympathize with Little Arnie. Nobody can judge us because nobody walks in our shoes and knows the struggles we deal with.

[Cuz]

Are you on trt now? Stats?

[Littlearnie]

What are you trying to get out of this cycle? You trying to gain muscle? Lean out? Recomp?

get bigger muscles . i kinda ended up recomping on my last, 300 of each test and eq. albeit slight it was a good first for me.
so yeah this go id like to put on abit of size. i was thinking test/npp/mast first when i was planning to do a little blast and cruise for a 3/4 of the year. but now because of the fact i want to do it without getting bloodwork, i was thinking to just upp my last with the eq and add a new substance in. then pct and rethink after that.

Are you on trt now? Stats?

no trt. 30, 5ft9, 12.4 stone

I understand that sometimes you need a boost in morale to even start interviewing for jobs. I was in a rut for a few years, where I had a part-time job, but I couldn't find anything significant in my line of work (business/markleting). I felt like shit and was depressed, and then I found out I had low-ish T. I decided to administer my own TRT, and it just so happened that I got a job and started it the day after my first injection. Granted, I didn't outright start a cycle, I started sensibly - but that quickly turned into a cycle. Windex warned me to not do that, but I did it anyway. I did, however, run bloodwork before I started. I used steroids as a way to get out of this rut, and guess what? It worked. Within a month I was feeling much better, more assertive, more confident. So I agree with Windex, but I also have to sympathize with Little Arnie. Nobody can judge us because nobody walks in our shoes and knows the struggles we deal with.

haha thanks dude. always good to hear anothers experiences. its not like i cant get a job, its just its summer and ive been working so long its nice to wake up and theres absolutly noting i HAVE to do. thought id enjoy it for a while. and while all i have is time to rest and eat and sleep why not use it. im not 100 percent sure i will i just most likey will lol. ive been thinking about it for a while i just want some input from others. thres only a couple in the real world i talk to about this and their all about this life lol.

[Littlearnie]

Good to hear. I think no one wants that.



Actually, Windex is given you help and advice. It just not the advice you were hoping for. You're looking for an answer like: take so much of this, so much of that and add a little this.
What Windex says is (@Windex: please correct me if I am wrong):
- You can't afford bloodwork but you can afford gear and food? Doesn't make sense.
These three should always go together. Is is NOT eating, training and running gear. Bloodwork should be mandatory. Since you don't have a lot of experience with gear, you do not know who you react to different compounds and what is does to your body. One of the most important means of learing is through bloodwork.

- Deca and NPP have no libido risk when used properly - sounds like you need to do more research. Being indecisive is the start of recipe for a train wreck
You do not fully understand the way Deca and/or NPP work, how they interact with other compounds and how to avoid sides. Why was is developed? What is it used for? What are the pro's and cons of these? Educated yourself. Read, learn and if you have any questions: ask them. If you are not sure what you are doing you leave yourself in the hands of others. But only you can know how your body reacts. Someone said: you are the teacher, you are the student and you are the guinea pig. Take your one responsibility!

-Whether or not your training partner is cycling should be irrelevant to your decision. If he does a gram of Tren are you just going to copy him too?
As above: take your own responsibility. Don't do something because someone else is doing something. Make your own decisions.

- Before cycling consider becoming an adult and get a job so you can properly afford gear, food, and bloodwork.
Training and everything that comes with it, is big fun. But having (or getting) your personal life up and running is ALWAYS the most important thing. (Most of us) are not pro's making a living out of it and because of that, having a job, being able to provide for yourself and taking care of yourself should always be number 1 on the list.

its good of you to be try and mediate lol. its just hes attitude stinks! i admit im new to this and dont know much but at the same time its not my first day. i read, lots! but understanding all the science is beyond me. i pick up a llittle and like to hear from others that have.
i understand the importance of bloodwork but in uk its expensive to get i could do without it for now. im sure theres many more that dont get bloods than there are that do. im not making excuses just saying its not the end of the world.

with deca/npp again ive read so much into it. thats why i said its likyly down to bad planning. but im a newby and im paranooid...

-Whether or not your training partner is cycling should be irrelevant to your decision. If he does a gram of Tren are you just going to copy him too?
As above: take your own responsibility. Don't do something because someone else is doing something. Make your own decisions.

tbh even replying to this is winding me up. i said it would be nice to be on a cycle at the same time as the person i train with!! would it not! were all adults here, adults that have never met! is this fucking school, shit parents say to 5 year old! the fucking arrogance!

and again with the job. this stranger doesnt know a thing about me. im not working atm because i dont want to look yet, im enjoying having time off. and why i have no job and lots of free time, why not use it to grow, if thats what i want to do..

i was more looking for members experiences and recomendations of what to add. expecially realted to acne sides and about the frequency of injections reducing them. rather than an abc.


this was too much of a reply but i thought as you put the time in i would lol. at the end of the day im going to do what im going to do. please can we get back on topic and get some more specific responses to my questions lol.

[Windex]

haha? i wish i could ban you from commenting on my posts. you give such arsey definitive ansers like you shit gold. dont answer questions people ask normally just some judgmental bollocks.

if your not gonna answer my questions then stay the fuck away.

also bloodwork at £200 a pop minimum compared to £100-£150 for the whole cycle of aas and food which i will be eating anyway, you know to stay alive! albeit at slightly higher volume.

If you want to be told take X compounds for Y dosasge and Z duration there are tons of boards that don't care about your health and will do that. They'll even sell you gear for a snazzy 10% off.

Disrespecting staff is an easy way for nobody to want to help you.

A stranger posting on a forum should not give cause for a temper trantrum.

[Littlearnie]

If you want to be told take X compounds for Y dosasge and Z duration there are tons of boards that don't care about your health and will do that. They'll even sell you gear for a snazzy 10% off.

Disrespecting staff is an easy way for nobody to want to help you.

A stranger posting on a forum should not give cause for a temper trantrum.

nobody want to read through it because its full of you and and the others guys bollocks.

when did i ask for someone to tell me what to do. i wanted advice on if more frequen injections actually has an impact on sides. mainly because i gt acne very easy. and also a suggestion on a new compounnds.

but what i got was you and your fucking know it all attitude. so now all the advice im gonna get is my gym "bros science"


i still have this picture of you, you should make it your avatar!

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I think your
Test - 150
EQ - 600

Will probably be mild enough it won’t throw anything out of whack, unless you’re genetically pre dispositioned to something you don’t know about.

EQ is very mild, and not androgenic, so I don’t think acne will be much of a concern for you. More frequent injections do help keep blood serum levels more steady and avoiding the peaks and valleys usually helps mitigate sides that appear during hormonal fluctuations, but with that said Boldernone is usually attached an undecylenate esther (same as deca) so it’s super long anyway.

Don’t expect insane gains from this, but the gains you get will be solid. You’re not going to get a bunch of water from this.

Another benefit of this is that you should feel really good on this kind of cycle. You won’t have “I’m on some shit” feel that you get from running high levels of heavy androgens and orals that usually leaves you feeling kind of run down.

Run that, really focus on some good hard training, and try to eat clean, and good things will happen.

[Littlearnie]

I think your
Test - 150
EQ - 600

Will probably be mild enough it won’t throw anything out of whack, unless you’re genetically pre dispositioned to something you don’t know about.

EQ is very mild, and not androgenic, so I don’t think acne will be much of a concern for you. More frequent injections do help keep blood serum levels more steady and avoiding the peaks and valleys usually helps mitigate sides that appear during hormonal fluctuations, but with that said Boldernone is usually attached an undecylenate esther (same as deca) so it’s super long anyway.

Don’t expect insane gains from this, but the gains you get will be solid. You’re not going to get a bunch of water from this.

Another benefit of this is that you should feel really good on this kind of cycle. You won’t have “I’m on some shit” feel that you get from running high levels of heavy androgens and orals that usually leaves you feeling kind of run down.

Run that, really focus on some good hard training, and try to eat clean, and good things will happen.

Thank you.

My last was 300 test and eq. this go I wanted to increase a little. So I thought I’d double the eq at least because a lot told me last time eq that low is pointless lol (even though I was happy with how it went).
I thought maybe increase even more to make up for the fact that I want to half the test. So 150 less test 150 more eq hence why I was thinking 750?

Also to add in an extra substance this go I thought I’d go with anadrol?
I was originally thinking dbol but As I’ve taken before that’s why I was thinking anadrol.

1 thing that may be a problem according to my un-knowledgeable brain is will my estrogen be ok. If like GH says and eq lowers estrogen will 5 times the eq as test actually make my estrogen too low :/
Is this dumb thinking? Lol

The main reason I want to lower the test is because at 300test & eq I did get more acne. A couple odd back and chest fine. A couple on the face I hate and make me look bad!
But what made me notice most is I had like a customer service job and I sat down all day. When I sit down the person before me got up and it was always hot and sweaty.
my bum got acne. Never before I’ve had spots on my bum, but this time I had lots.
I put it down to the fact that my bum isn’t really included in my cleaning routine (just in shower ). Which made me think if I wasn’t so scared of acne and I didn’t have very good hygiene then I could of had it worse everywhere.

I see a post where a few basically say eq isn’t bad for causeing acne. And GH even posted saying he’s done an eq only cycle and he’s face had never been clearer.

[Test Monsterone]

I think your
Test - 150
EQ - 600

Will probably be mild enough it won’t throw anything out of whack, unless you’re genetically pre dispositioned to something you don’t know about.

EQ is very mild, and not androgenic, so I don’t think acne will be much of a concern for you. More frequent injections do help keep blood serum levels more steady and avoiding the peaks and valleys usually helps mitigate sides that appear during hormonal fluctuations, but with that said Boldernone is usually attached an undecylenate esther (same as deca) so it’s super long anyway.

Don’t expect insane gains from this, but the gains you get will be solid. You’re not going to get a bunch of water from this.

Another benefit of this is that you should feel really good on this kind of cycle. You won’t have “I’m on some shit” feel that you get from running high levels of heavy androgens and orals that usually leaves you feeling kind of run down.

Run that, really focus on some good hard training, and try to eat clean, and good things will happen.

I was on 750 mg of EQ with 120 mg test and I felt really run down and lethargic after 2 months.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I was on 750 mg of EQ with 120 mg test and I felt really run down and lethargic after 2 months.

What was the cause of that?

[Test Monsterone]

What was the cause of that?

EQ causes thick blood. Couldn’t donate cause BP was too high at the time of donation. Decided to end the cycle early cause I was going on vacation anyway.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

You decide what you’re gonna do fella?

[DeeCee112]

EQ causes thick blood. Couldn’t donate cause BP was too high at the time of donation. Decided to end the cycle early cause I was going on vacation anyway.

Might want to incorporate some fish oils into this run then and whatever else supplement wise can help with BP. I know there a a few things but I don't know much about them as I've never had BP problems but I do run fish oil all year round.

[Test Monsterone]

Might want to incorporate some fish oils into this run then and whatever else supplement wise can help with BP. I know there a a few things but I don't know much about them as I've never had BP problems but I do run fish oil all year round.

I used fish oil in the past and found it did nothing for me. No effect on BP or cholesterol. I think it’s just hyped up. Are there any studies that show fish oil does anything?

[Windex]

I used fish oil in the past and found it did nothing for me. No effect on BP or cholesterol. I think it’s just hyped up. Are there any studies that show fish oil does anything?

There is hundreds of studies showing the benefits of fish oil. It is in the top 10 of supplements researched, shortly after caffeine and creatine. In fact, Omega 3 to 6 balance is one of the top deficiencies worldwide. It's up there with Magnesium and Vitamin D3. Don't remember exact ranking.

The problem is 99% of fish oil off the shelf is garbage just like every other supplement. In addition the general population has no idea how to shop for supplements. It's not taught in any education curriculum but they certainly don't mind shoving discrete calculus equations into math class.

[Littlearnie]

You decide what you’re gonna do fella?

I’ve not started yet, i procrastinate a lot. My heart wants now but my head slows me down. Life keeps getting in the way.

I did actually settle on;

240 test e
600 eq
50 anadrol

12-16 weeks, first 6 for the anadrol.


I made a doctors appointment thinking I’ll try get some free Bloodwork.
Thinking to say Im always tired and hard doing my useuall things like going gym, and getting up lol. See what they’ll test me for.
Then maybe I’ll get a free baseline if I’m lucky.