Who deserves the Heisman?

[lpicken]

So who do you guys think deserves the Heisman?

[JAYROD]

i think mcfadden and the cocky f#cker from florida will finish 1 2 and i hope it's mcfadden. why the hell is sam bradfords name hardly ever mentioned when talking about the heisman? i don't get it.

[lpicken]

Thanx for the reply. I thought this would be a more popular subject here. Anyways, I am in Arkansas and McFadden is pretty much a god. My understanding is that he has a handicap sticker and parks wherever he wants on campus at the UA.

[StoneGRMI]

Jake Long should win it

[Papi93]

Well...Tim Tebow won the Heisman Trophy.

[SECdominance]

I know this is an old post...but yeah i bet a buddy $100 bucks after the 3rd game of the season that Tebow would win the Heisman. A class act who put up a record year. Just all part of SEC football

[lotaquestions]

since you have done brought it back up, what about in 08? Knoshaun Morano from UGA, if his coach will give him the carries

[JAYROD]

since you have done brought it back up, what about in 08? Knoshaun Morano from UGA, if his coach will give him the carries

i think stafford will have a better chance to win it than their rb there at georgia. staffords an outstanding qb and i think he'll show it in his junior season. tebow will be at the top of all the preseason predictions but i think it will be wide open this season.

[JAYROD]

I know this is an old post...but yeah i bet a buddy $100 bucks after the 3rd game of the season that Tebow would win the Heisman. A class act who put up a record year. Just all part of SEC football

you sec people make me laugh. pick a team and not a whole damn conference will ya. the sec is just another tough conference that has great teams, middle of the road teams and doormats just like the pac10, acc, big12 ,big10 and acc. for whatever reason alot of fans of teams in the sec think they are somehow a better than other bcs conferences, you're not. the big12 had 4 teams finish in the top 10 when no other conference had more than 2. that's pretty easy math even for you guy's. next season the pac10 or the big10 might be the "toughest conference", so what. root for your team.

[lotaquestions]

you sec people make me laugh. pick a team and not a whole damn conference will ya. the sec is just another tough conference that has great teams, middle of the road teams and doormats just like the pac10, acc, big12 ,big10 and acc. for whatever reason alot of fans of teams in the sec think they are somehow a better than other bcs conferences, you're not. the big12 had 4 teams finish in the top 10 when no other conference had more than 2. that's pretty easy math even for you guy's. next season the pac10 or the big10 might be the "toughest conference", so what. root for your team.

come on man get real. what other conferance has 7-8 national championship contenders at the begining of every season......none. most conferances can only put forth 2 or 3 at the most. if every team in your conferance has 4 losses b/c they have beatup on each other and other teams have 2 b/c they havnt played any body is the reason that all 8 top sec schools arnt in the top 10 at the end of the season. also with the sec look at the top 25 every year, sec dominance.

[lotaquestions]

i think stafford will have a better chance to win it than their rb there at georgia. staffords an outstanding qb and i think he'll show it in his junior season. tebow will be at the top of all the preseason predictions but i think it will be wide open this season.

stafford is a little over hyped. he has all the tools but hasnt yet put them all together yet. if he does then you are talking about the #1 draft choice in 09. the running back on the other hand already has it together. it is absolutely sick what he does when you put the ball in his hands especially in the clutch (4 quarter and 3rd down). they should both assist each others game nicely. but you also have tbow and harvin from flordia, and harvin who is hands down the best player on the team but tends to get overlooked.

[JAYROD]

come on man get real. what other conferance has 7-8 national championship contenders at the begining of every season......none. most conferances can only put forth 2 or 3 at the most. if every team in your conferance has 4 losses b/c they have beatup on each other and other teams have 2 b/c they havnt played any body is the reason that all 8 top sec schools arnt in the top 10 at the end of the season. also with the sec look at the top 25 every year, sec dominance.

7 or 8 national championship contenders? are you kidding? okay, you're completely right, sec teams beat up on each other and when southern cal or oklahoma go on the road to play one of the many top 25 schools in their respective conferences the other team just lays down. get real. if lsu is going to lose to kentucky and arkansas they are going to lose at least 2 games in the big12, actually you and i know it would be more. get over this conference crap and quit riding the coattails of your rival teams just cause yours doesn't play for championships. i haven't seen the schedule rankings for this past season yet (meaning after the season is completed) but the previous 2 seasons oklahoma had THE toughest schedule in the country and they are not in the sec. the sooners were 3 and 1 against teams that were ranked in the final top 10 this past season so i'm sure we can figure who plyed the hardest schedule. what sec team went 3 and 1 against the top 10? none. factor in rivalries and road games and it's rediculous to say one conference is better than another. if a team is good enough to run the table they will do it regardless of the conference they play in. anyways it sounds like you're a passionate football fan like me and i can't wait to have some debates with you when the season starts. lol. BOOMER SOONER!!!

[lotaquestions]

yeah looking forward to it but im a really slow typer, so i got to keep them brief. didnt norter dame have the toughest schedual in the country? and out of them three top 10 teams could any of them have beaten UGA LSU FU or even Vandy? OU would have went 1-3 and that is only if vandy slipped up. sure there are other good teams out side of the sec and plenty of teams who could real well in the conferance but teams like OSU and USC going to the national championship year after year just wouldnt happen. and when was the last time that missori or kansas were even ranked in the top 25, maybe you know, i forgot that they even had football teams.

two words-boise state

[JAYROD]

yeah looking forward to it but im a really slow typer, so i got to keep them brief. didnt norter dame have the toughest schedual in the country? and out of them three top 10 teams could any of them have beaten UGA LSU FU or even Vandy? OU would have went 1-3 and that is only if vandy slipped up. sure there are other good teams out side of the sec and plenty of teams who could real well in the conferance but teams like OSU and USC going to the national championship year after year just wouldnt happen. and when was the last time that missori or kansas were even ranked in the top 25, maybe you know, i forgot that they even had football teams.

two words-boise state

did you catch the cotton bowl? mizzou 38 arkansas 7. the arkansas that beat the sec champion lsu who is better than fla or georgia. fact is mizzou would have been undefeated national champions if ou didn't spank them twice. has it occured to you that you're just thinking these sec teams are better than they really are? i'm sure vanderbilt could beat texas anyday. come back to reality bro.

[MuscleScience]

Me, you should have seen me running from the cops last weekend. LOL

seriously it was a tough one this year.

[lotaquestions]

did you catch the cotton bowl? mizzou 38 arkansas 7. the arkansas that beat the sec champion lsu who is better than fla or georgia. fact is mizzou would have been undefeated national champions if ou didn't spank them twice. has it occured to you that you're just thinking these sec teams are better than they really are? i'm sure vanderbilt could beat texas anyday. come back to reality bro.

OU needs to be getting ready for Texas since that is the only "real game" they play every year. the winner of that game wins the conference 9 out of 10 years...not exactly a deep conference yeah? once out of every 10 years a sec team might win the championship. arkansas was on the bottom of the chain this year, they were out 6th best team vs your #1 team...congradulations, you took down a power house. what was OU star quarterback 8 yrs ago? Nate Hibble who couldnt get nothing but a golf scholarship from any of the schools in SEC.

[JAYROD]

OU needs to be getting ready for Texas since that is the only "real game" they play every year. the winner of that game wins the conference 9 out of 10 years...not exactly a deep conference yeah? once out of every 10 years a sec team might win the championship. arkansas was on the bottom of the chain this year, they were out 6th best team vs your #1 team...congradulations, you took down a power house. what was OU star quarterback 8 yrs ago? Nate Hibble who couldnt get nothing but a golf scholarship from any of the schools in SEC.

actually ou won the conference championship, not mizzou. arkansas finishes 2 whole games behind the sec champion who they beat by the way. last year if arkansas were in the big 12 they would have lost to oklahoma, texas, missouri, kansas, texas tech, k state and i'd be very suprised if they could beat a&m or oklahoma state. bottom line they would be lucky to be bowl eligable playing in the big 12. i guess 4 top 10 teams isn't enough? how many you want? last time ou won one of their 7 national titles kansas state or nebraska would have easily took home the title if it wasn't for oklahoma. look back at the final standings back in the 70's and 80's and you'll see that if ou and nebraska didn't have to play each other every year they would both be in double digits in national titles. and as for hibble he was on scholorship in that craphole athens before finally seeing that donnawhatever his name was wasn't going to play him he transfered to a powerhouse and all he did was beat up on one of the mighty sec schools in the cotton bowl and then won mvp of the rose bowl. man, what a bad move. we can argue all we want to about conferences but the simple fact is the bcs conferences are all very tough and have fantastic coaches and players. without qustion (other than how you want to put them in order) the 5 most successful college football programs are 1. oklahoma 2. notre dame 3. alabama 4. southern cal 5. michigan. notice 4 of them are in different conferences and one is an independant. anyways you no and i know the school on top is really what matters anyway. so that being said, i win. BOOMER SOONER!!!

[JAYROD]

here are the facts in black and white.
recognized by the ncaa as modern era football (when players started wearing helmets and threw the ball)

WINS
1. OKLAHOMA 535
2. penn state 503
3. texas 501
4. alabama 499
5. nebraska 497

WINNING %
1. OKLAHOMA .762
2. ohio state .747
3. penn state .733
4. michigan .728
5. texas .714

WEEKS RANKED #1 AP
1. OKLAHOMA 95

WEEKS RANKED TOP 5 AP
1. OKLAHOMA 352

WEEKS #1 BCS
1. OKLAHOMA 18

WEEKS TOP 5 BCS
1. OKLAHOMA 38

AP NATIONAL TITLES
1. notre dame 8
2. OKLAHOMA 7

MOST CONSECUTIVE WINS
1. OKLAHOMA 47

MOST POINTS SCORED ALL TIME
1. OKLAHOMA

i really could go on but after seeing the facts even a retard could see who #1 is.

[lotaquestions]

all your facts do is prove my point! there is not enough competition in the big 12. OU is one of the best programs every year, but you know and i know that if they played in the sec that their win total would be alot smaller, which means: less natl titels, less bcs top whatever, way less offense, i could go on all day. you could have the best team in the country and still toat 2 losses in a season in the sec. which is why i belive that the champion of the sec should be in the natl championship every year. as long as we go by this stupid BCS it will never be fair to the sec because you are going to play 8 rivalry games every year and you are going to get beat eventually. im not saying that there arnt great teams outside of the sec but there is not another conference that is as strong from the top to the bottom year in and year out.

[JAYROD]

my point is that a great program will be great regardless of the conference, alabama for example which is in the sec. you have 12 games, 8 conf, 4 non conf and a bowl game so more than a third of games played are againt non conference foes. in the next 6 years oklahoma has home and homes with tennesse, lsu, ohio state, notre dame, florida state and miami and ou has had home and homes with oregon and bama in the last several years which is why ou plays one of the toughest schedules every year and done so forever. i agree with you on the bcs being flawed but it's what we have for now. give some credit to the teams that play the big boys in conference and outside every year. a team can be out of any conference and play the toughest schedule. i live 10 minutes from an sec campus and it's easy to see this "we play in the toughest conference" which is not true, is mearly an excuse for losing games. if you tell yourself the same thing over and over you will start to believe it no matter how absured it is.

[lotaquestions]

who in your opinion has the toughest conference?

[JAYROD]

who in your opinion has the toughest conference?

obviously no one conference is the toughest every year. i think a top heavy conference is tougher to get through unscathed than say one that is just has many "good" teams. i've seen all major conferences be both in my 20+ years of watching college football. i think this past season the big12 was tougher to get through unbeaten and that's because at the end of the season you got #3, #5, #8 and #10 in the country. i think next season will be the same. this past year showed that anybody can beat anybody. i've seen arguments about who's the toughest conference and i've seen stats and numbers that would make any of the bcs conferences look like they were the "toughest". every conference has a premier program so there is no excuse for saying a team could be better if they were in a different conferences because a national powerehouse is just that, a top team in the nation regardless of location. fans all around the country love to think their conference is the toughest but it runs rampant here in the southeast and that is because that's all these people follow is the sec and of coarse they are going to think the way they do because they know nothing other than sec football. i've had countless conversations with people here about college football and at least 3/4 of them know absolutely nothing about any team outside the sec. a perfect example is the sec was without question just a good conference in basketball this season and 90% of these fans will say the sec was the best and that's because that's all they see is the sec. there's at least a handfull of conferences that were far better at the top, middle and bottom but they are ignorant to it. it's really a pointless argument. the one thing i'm certain of is i'm ready to hear some pads start cracking across the nation but damn summer is long so baseball will have to do for now. i've got tickets to see my reds take on the phillies saturday afternoon but it still ain't football.

[lotaquestions]

know what you mean, ive resulted to watching arena. i dont know where you live but i have never heard any one say that the sec is one of the toughest conference in basketball or any other sport, except football. for anyone to deny that the sec is the toughest conference in football is absolutely insane. these sec teams are top in the preseason polls every year, the recruiting polls, and turn out more professional athletes than any other conference. im just ready for the season to get here so that i have something else to argue about besides who has the best conference but for right now thats all we got.

[JAYROD]

you know and i know preason polls and recruiting ratings mean nothing. as for the sec having the most players having played in the nfl is also not true. i seen a list just recently and notre dame was 1, southern cal 2 and oklahoma 3. the big 12 had 3 in the top ten with ou 3, texas 5 and nebraska 8. the most put out by a team in the sec was tennesee coming in at 8. the most success the southeastern conference has been just recently and thats because their bowl game matchups have been very favorable which meens nothing to me because you still have to win games. look at schedules and you will see the teams in the sec rarely will take on a team outside the southeastern part of the country in nonconference play. georgia is a perfect exaple of a team that plays an extremely weak schedule every year and i don't think they have played a regular season game west of the mississippi in like 30 years.the sec is one of several conferences that have strong teams year in and year out but the sec is nothing special.

[lotaquestions]

they played oaklahoma state this past year, and when they schedualed that game was when osu was ranked in the top 10. you named teams in the draft, im talking whole conference and have arizona state this next year. if you are going to play a schedual like the sec, where you are going to have to play 5-6 ranked teams a year you dont want to stack your non conference schedual with alot of other power houses. but with that being said it is the other conference are the ones not schedualing sec teams. we all know that defense wins championships and your not going to find any better defenses than the ones in the sec

[JAYROD]

okie state played georgia in athens last year and i'm pretty sure georgia is east of the mississippi and yes they are finally playing a decent team out west next season after a few decades. "other conferences are the ones not scheduling sec teams"??? what about oklahoma scheduling alabama recently and will be taking trips to lsu and tennesse in the near future? THE big daddy isn't scared to play anybody anywhere and never has and never will. the sooners have played some of the hardest schedules since they started playing football at the "cathedral of college football" in norman and they are very proud to be the most successful program in the nation and that will never change. bob stoops knows that playing in the big12 where you'll have 3 to 4 top 10 teams and 7 to 8 bowl teams every year that you will lose some games but that doesn't stop ou from scheduling the miami's, florida state's, lsu's, ohio states, ect, ect, ect and it still doesn't keep them from winning championships. i work with a guy who played for bama for 2 seasons and he went to norman in '02 and he said the teams in the sec are big time but he was in "awe" when they played the sooners. it's teams that play tough schedules, not conferences.

[SECdominance]

Oklahoma lost to Colorado....right? HAHAHAHAHHAHA
who has won more Championships in the past 13 yrs? UF has 2, UT has 1, lsu has 2, and I think UGA will win this year. SEC haters sit down..Oklahoma is SO Overrated!!!
lose to Boise state and now West Va in the Fiesta bowl when both years they were huge favorites...

[SECdominance]

but I digress....wasnt this post about the Heisman??? And Tebow won it....He deserved it and yes its a college award not the BEST POTENTIAL PRO award. congrats to Tebow!! A class act and a great Christian example...anybody that hates on the guy is just doing so out of pure jealousy

[JAYROD]

overrated?? see the facts, the facts not opinions on post 18. the sec has 1 elite team and the big12 has 3 and who cares! it's the team with the most trophies at the end of the day that matters anyway(see post 18). you bring out 3 teams and combined they are 2 championships short of what ou has done, good one. wow, the sooners lost to 2 teams that finished in the top 5 and the other a bowl team, i'm so embarassed. but of coarse no sec team has ever lost a football game right? not even when they play in conference. moron.

[SECdominance]

2 championships shy of What??? Were talkin about now...not then durin the Switzer era...look...Im a Florida fan but i will stand up for Alabama here and say theyve won 12 natl championships...Can OU top that?...If u wanna talk about the past like that....then true UF has not had much success before the 90's....BUT as for now.....The two best teams in the nation last year at the end were LSU and Georgia...Im a Florida fan but I know theyre not top 5 now...Florida did win the nat'l champ the other year if I recall correctly

[SECdominance]

what conference had the most ranked teams at the end of last year? enlighten me please Ayrod

[SECdominance]

I will admit each conference had 5 teams in the Top 25...so its a wash there...but man come on...This is a Heisman thread....yeah I went along with the conference squabble and all.. But my parting words.....TEBOW 4 HE15MAN!!!

[JAYROD]

what conference had the most ranked teams at the end of last year? enlighten me please Ayrod

big12 with 4 top 10
sec with 2 top 10

[JAYROD]

2 championships shy of What??? Were talkin about now...not then durin the Switzer era...look...Im a Florida fan but i will stand up for Alabama here and say theyve won 12 natl championships...Can OU top that?...If u wanna talk about the past like that....then true UF has not had much success before the 90's....BUT as for now.....The two best teams in the nation last year at the end were LSU and Georgia...Im a Florida fan but I know theyre not top 5 now...Florida did win the nat'l champ the other year if I recall correctly

alabama has 6 ap national titles and the sooners have 7 so yes they can top that. the ap (since 1930somthing) and now the bcs are the only true national championships and there were several b*ll shit votings for national titles that don't mean a thing. yes bama 6 others that with the 6 ap make 12 and so does southern cal with 13 total and notre dame has more than that. oklahoma has 16 which is 2nd to yale, yes yale, so that tells you what those non ap championships are worth. there is no sense in even arguing who's the top program because that is a given. most unbeaten seasons, most double digit wins, and the list goes on and on. i disagree strongly saying that georgia was the 2nd best team in the country. they got hot near the end of the season and had a VERY favorable bowl matchup and if they would have even made it to the conference title game lsu would have crushed them right out of the top 10 and the bcs bowl game. florida has a very good program and they will be very stout this upcoming season and should definately be in the national title hunt.

[SECdominance]

dude the top 2 teams were SEC teams ...but my point is not about Oklahoma...its about the SEC being a very dominant conference...esp in football...AND dont get me wrong, I dont like bama def dont like UGA or LSU....as Im a Florida fan...
Im just glad to be able to say Florida is the only team ever to hold a Championship in football and basketball in the same calendar year ..Here's to hoping UF gets matched up with OU at the end of the next football season..Two great offensive teams

[fdrx7man]

i deserve it since my freakin mountaineers got beat and cheated!! WV should have been the champs!! grr.....

[JAYROD]

dude the top 2 teams were SEC teams ...but my point is not about Oklahoma...its about the SEC being a very dominant conference...esp in football...AND dont get me wrong, I dont like bama def dont like UGA or LSU....as Im a Florida fan...
Im just glad to be able to say Florida is the only team ever to hold a Championship in football and basketball in the same calendar year ..Here's to hoping UF gets matched up with OU at the end of the next football season..Two great offensive teams

i'm aware that the teams that finished in the top 2 spots were sec schools with lsu somewhat deserving even with 2 losses to unranked teams and georgia's 2nd ranked spot being an absolute gift not even playing for a conference title and then getting a bowl game with hawaii. there were at least a handfull of teams that were better than them but last season was a mess. the sec is a very good conference as a few other ones, for example the big12 with 4 teams making up the top ten speaks volumes but you "sec guys" refuse to look at the rest of the nation and that football is played on the same level of your beloved conference from coast to coast. i remember when oklahoma played in the national championship games for football and basketball in the same season 20 years ago and i never thought it would be done again and i was very impressed with florida and what they did winning them both. i'm not a gator fan but there will always be a part of me that pulls for them because spurrier made bob stoops the coach he is because of the time he spent in gainesville as a d-coordinator but if they meet in the field i'll be doin the gator stomp while you're doing the gator chomp.

[SECdominance]

Alright bro. yeah you can stereotype a number of SEC fans that way but stereotypin every SEC fan is just naive. All Im sayin is that the SEC isnt not necessarily the best every year...but it would rank above the Big 12 if you asked most sports analysts...Yep, those guys in Connecticut.. ESPN said it all season long... Also, Spurrier is my favorite coach of all time and you better believe I wish Bob Stoops was still coaching that Florida defense like he was in 96 when they took home the title...IF Florida finds a way to beat UGA then i believe they will play Oklahoma in the title game next yr

[JAYROD]

sorry man but i see and talk to these fans everyday and i'm definately not saying every fan but it's honestly a good 75% of fans here are basically jed clampit with cable and a cell phone. one of the most knowlegable college football fans i've ever spoken to was a guy from georgia who was tailgating right next to us at commonwealth stadium in '06 when kentucky beat the bulldogs. we were talking about football and basketball for at least 3 or 4 beers and he had his opinions like me but i couldn't dissagree with anything he had to say. and of coarse the sec as well as the acc is held higher than others and it's nothing more than the east coast bias those guys in bristol, connecticut have been doing for years. i hear guy's calling in to espn radio and complain about it all the time but i just ignore it because it's been this way for years. i heard several times from espn anylists that the acc was the "toughest" conference. the reason is obvious, it's because when teams out west kickoff those guys are either already asleep or only awake long enough to see the 1st quarter. the thing i've noticed is the "my conference is better than your conference" is almost exclusively between the sec and big10. there are many ohio state fans here and the fued between these guys runs pretty deep and i think it's entertaining to hear them go at it. i guess why i like to get in the argument too, it's good clean fun!

[SECdominance]

well buddy you gotta admit other than this past year....Big 12 mighta been 3rd best the 2 straight yrs before...but I will say SEC and Big 12 were top 2 this past year hands down..Haha I love the result when Ohio State plays any SEC team in a bowl game!!!