Thread: Tongkat ali -gyno?
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06-13-2007, 02:30 PM #1New Member
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Tongkat ali -gyno?
Ha someone experienced gyno after using tongkat ali?
What dose do you use and with effects did you have?
Is this stuff increase estrogen level too?
Thanks!
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06-15-2007, 09:20 AM #2Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Levotomat
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06-15-2007, 09:52 AM #3
Its been shown to not increase natural testosterone levels so...
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06-15-2007, 10:25 AM #4Originally Posted by Swifto
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06-15-2007, 03:37 PM #5
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
***artment of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]
OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone , androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
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06-15-2007, 03:40 PM #6
If you want a tried and tested test booster, run an AI when off all androgens. It will change the test:estro ratio and raise serum T by that action.
Better than all these wacky herbs people seem to bring out no and again.
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06-16-2007, 10:41 AM #7Writer
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
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08-27-2007, 09:17 PM #8
Ok, dumb question: AI = Anti-?
Thanks in advance!
Originally Posted by Swifto
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09-19-2007, 09:44 AM #9Originally Posted by Swifto
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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