tribulus, conflicting info

[Brazy]

first off.. im 19, training for two years..

i've been told that taking trib will do jack for me, because at my age my natural test levels are at peek.

and since trib only raises LH levels, indirectly raising test naturally in the body its not gonna do much, if anything for me.

this other guy told me, its not going to do much for strength gains. but it would help lean me out?

whats your opinions on this?

thanks bros

[nsa]

Tribulus won't get your test levels much more than what they are naturally. Tribulus is mostly effective as pct of some sort, to get low test levels back to normal level. At your age you'll be more than able to put on alot of weight just from diet and lifting regiment.

[arthurb999]

the only supplements you need at your age would be:
Whey Protien
Creatine
Vitamins

[daman1]

You dont even need the creatine. Just eat right and train hard and the results you seek will come and most likely very quickly if you have a starlight approach.

[KBZ]

can tribulus hurt at 18-19 years old? The reason I'm asking is I have a friend who's uncle has a hookup for halfprice off wholesale of a nutrition company. And I'm ordering some shake mix and creatine from him for way cheap, but he hyped up tribulus so much, and he wants me to try it, and it's almost to the point that I think I'll hurt his feeling if I don't order some lol.

[dirtybrit55]

I would be interested to know details also.... I have an order on the way as we speak as PCT for winny, although i ll take it for the 4 weeks i m on.

[Da Bull]

Hopefully this post will clear the air in this thread some.Some on this thread really have no idea what trib is or does.So read below.......


DESCRIPTION:

Tribulus, also known as caltrop and puncture vine, is a natural product isolated from the aerial parts of the plant Tribulus terrestris.

Tribulus was traditionally used by the Greeks as a diuretic, mild laxative, and general tonic. In India, Tribulus is widely recommended in Ayurvedic rejuvenative formulas, particularly in the treatment of sexual dysfunction. In China, Tribulus has been a frequent component of therapy for a variety of disorders affecting the liver, kidneys, and urinary tract. For all its therapeutic and adaptogenic effects, the most common cross-cultural use of Tribulus has been in the treatment of infertility in women, impotence in men, and for increasing the libido of both sexes.

Recently, the fitness enhancing benefits of Tribulus have been brought to the attention of the athletic and body building industries as a result of its use by Eastern European Olympic and World Champion strength and power athletes.

PHYSIOLOGY:

Tribulus terrestris is rich in plant sterols, saponins, flavonoids, alkaloids, unsaturated acids, oils, calcium, phosphorus, iron, and protein. The active components are sterol saponins of furostanol type. The preparation is standardized on the base of the predominating compound protodioscin- not less than 40%.

The effects of Tribulus are the following:

Men: Restores and improves libido sexualis, improves and prolongs the duration of erection. It exerts a stimulating effect on spermatogenesis by increasing the number of spermatozoa and their mobility. It increases the level of testosterone by 33%.

Women: Restores and improves libido sexualis and exerts a slight ovulation effect. It has a favorable influence on vasomotory manifestation during natural menopausal and induced menopausal syndrome, as well as on subjective complaints such as insomnia, general tenseness, irritability, or apathy.

Tribulus also helps reduce cholesterol, lowers high blood pressure, inhibits stress-induced clumping of blood platelets, increases the strength of contraction of the heart muscle, reduces sodium and fluid retention, acts as an anti-urolithiatic (urinary/kidney stone preventing) and litholytic (dissolving), improvement of the profile of red and white blood cells, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti- inflammatory, and analgesic effects.

INDICATIONS:

The suggested use is as follows:

Men: Indicated for impotentic coeundi in Kleinfelter’s Syndrome, varicocele, cryptochism, testicular hypertrophy, and Noonan’s Syndrome. Tribulus is also indicated for sterility based on idiopathic oligoasthenazoospermia sterility and idiopathic azoospermia.

Women: Indicated for endocrinous ovarian sterility, menopausal and induced menopausal syndrome with expressed vasomotory and neurasthenic manifestations. Production of follicle- stimulating hormone and estradiol are increased to stimulate reproduction function.


DIRECTIONS FOR USE:

Dosage and duration of treatment are determined according to the character and the gravity of the symptoms. Most often the dosage is 250-500mg. three times daily with meals.

TOXICITY, CAUTIONS AND CONTRA-INDICATIONS:

No reported toxicity.

REFERENCES:

Dimitrov M., Georgiev P., Vitanov S., Use of tribestan on rams with sexual disorders. "Vet Med Nauki" 24(5) pp. 102-110 1987

Nadkarnia A.K., Indian Materia Medica, Popular Prakashan Private Ltd., Vol 1, pp.1229-1232 1976

Tornova M., Gyulemetovs R., Zarkova S., Tribestan Clinical Studies. pp. 1-27

Wright James E. Ph.D., A Natural Wonder. pp. 140-142, 214 "Muscle and Fitness" September 1996

[Da Bull]

Tribulus terrestris

Principal Proposed Uses
• Sports Performance Enhancement
Other Proposed Uses
• Sexual Dysfunction (in Men and Women) ; Infertility (in Men and Women); Menopausal Symptoms; many others

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What Is Tribulus terrestris Used for Today?
Dosage
Safety Issues
References




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Tribulus terrestris (commonly known as puncture vine -- the bane of bicycles in areas where it grows) has a long history of traditional medical use in China, India and Greece. It was recommended as a treatment for female infertility, impotence and low libido in both men and women, and also used to aid rejuvenation after long illness. The herb became widely known in the West when medal-winning Bulgaria Olympic athletes claimed that use of tribulus had contributed to their success.


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What Is Tribulus terrestris Used for Today?
Studies performed in Bulgaria are the primary source of most current health claims regarding tribulus. According to this research, tribulus increases levels of various hormones in the steroid family, including testosterone , DHEA and estrogen, and for this reason improves sports performance, fertility in in men and women, sexual function (again in men and women), and symptoms of menopause (such as hot flashes).7-11 Unfortunately, the design of these studies appears to fall far short of modern scientific standards, and there has not been any trustworthy scientific confirmation of these supposed benefits.

Other studies that are far too preliminary to prove anything at all are widely quoted as proving that tribulus is helpful for the treatment of angina, high cholesterol, diabetes and muscle spasms, and for the prevention of kidney stones.1,13-16

The best designed and most recent human study compared the effects of tribulus (3.21 mg per kilogram of body weight—for example, 292 mg daily for a 200-lb man) against placebo (fake treatment) on body composition and endurance among 15 men engaged in resistance training.3 At the end of the 8-week study, the only significant difference between the treatment and placebo groups was that the placebo group showed greater gains in endurance!


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Dosage
Tribulus terrestris is usually taken at a dose ranging from about 85 to 250 mg 3 times daily with meals. Some tribulus products are standardized to provide 40% furostanol saponins and taken at a dose providing 115 mg of saponins 2 to 3 times daily.


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Safety Issues
No significant adverse effects have been noted in any of the clinical trials or human research studies of tribulus. Animal studies performed in Bulgaria are said to have found tribulus safe both in the short and long terms.9 However, it is not clear whether these studies were performed in such a way that their conclusions can be trusted. Tribulus is known to have a toxic effect on sheep.4,5,6

Note: Women who are pregnant or nursing should not use any tribulus product, because if it works as described it might alter hormones in unsafe ways.


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References

1. Wang B, Ma L, Liu T. 406 cases of angina pectoris in coronary heart disease treated with saponin of Tribulus terrestris [in Chinese; English abstract]. Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih. 1990;10:85–87.

2. Adimoelja A. Phytochemicals and the breakthrough of traditional herbs in the management of sexual dysfunctions [abstract]. Int J Androl. 2000;23:82–84.

3. Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, et al. The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males [abstract]. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000;10:208–215.

4. Bourke CA, Stevens GR, Carrigan MJ. Locomotor effects in sheep of alkaloids identified in Australian Tribulus terrestris [abstract]. Aust Vet J. 1992;69:163–165.

5. Bourke CA. Staggers in sheep associated with the ingestion of Tribulus terrestris [abstract]. Aust Vet J. 1984;61:360–363.

6. Bourke CA. A novel nigrostriatal dopaminergic disorder in sheep affected by Tribulus terrestris staggers [abstract]. Res Vet Sci. 1987;43:347–350.

7. Kumanov F, Bozadzhieva E, Andreeva M, et al. Clinical trial of the drug "Tribestan." Savr Med. 1982;4:211-215.

8. Protich M, Tsvetkov D, Nalbanski B, et al. Clinical trial of the preparation Tribestan in infertile men. Akush Ginekol. 1983;22(4):326-329.

9. Tanev G, Zarkova S. Toxicological studies on Tribestan. Cited in Zarkova S. Tribestan: Experimental and Clinical Investigations. Chemical Pharmaceutical Research Institute, Sofia, 1985.

10. Viktorov IV, Kaloyanov AL, Lilov L, et al. Clinical investigation on Tribestan in males with disorders in the sexual function. Med-Biol Inf. 1982.

11. Zarkova S. Tribestan: Experimental and Clinical Investigations. Chemical Pharmaceutical Research Institute, Sofia, 1983.

12. Adaikan PG, Gauthaman K, Prasad RN, Ng SC. Proerectile pharmacological effects of Tribulus terrestris extract on the rabbit corpus cavernosum. Ann Acad Med Singapore. 2000;29:22-26.

13. Li M, Qu W, Chu S, et al. Effect of the decoction of Tribulus terrestris on mice gluconegensis. Zhong Yao Cai. 2001;24:586-588.

14. Arcasoy HB, Erenmemisoglu A, Tekol Y, et al. Effect of Tribulus terrestris L. saponin mixture on some smooth muscle preparations: a preliminary study. Boll Chim Farm. 1998;137:473-475.

15. Sangeeta D, Sidhu H, Thind SK, et al. Effect of Tribulus terrestris on oxalate metabolism in rats. J Ethnopharmacol. 1994;44:61-66.

16. Anand R, Patnaik GK, Kulshreshtha DK, et al. Activity of certain fractions of Tribulus terrestris fruits against experimentally induced urolithiasis in rats. Indian J Exp Biol. 1994;32:548-552.



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Principal Proposed Uses
• Sports Performance Enhancement

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