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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    well shit , I think I'm regressing and going downhill and not getting better at all . just for the F of it I looked at my phone see if I had any progress pics from last year thanksgiving.
    not happy with my back thickness last year and this year its probably even worse. wtf
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    You will bounce back because you're disciplined and don't know any other way.
    your right. it just sucks to look back on an entire year and see you've made no progress and if anything you've actually regressed, and its your own damn fault and not because of major injuries or surgeries setting you back (like times past for me).
    I need to get refocused and re disciplined and make this next year the year of gains.. thats the thing about the iron game, no matter how many times you fuck up and slack off , the iron is still sitting there waiting for you to get back at it
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    thats the thing about the iron game, no matter how many times you fuck up and slack off , the iron is still sitting there waiting for you to get back at it

    Because the iron is the real drug.
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    ok so Fk the Keto diet !! well at least for bodybuilding/gains purposes. I actually really like the keto diet as a tool for a lot of reasons and think it super beneficial in a lot of situations.. however, this 3 or so week little experiment (again I've done keto straight for nearly a year in the past) is all I needed to remember that CARBS build muscle. period. my physique has gone to shit (despite all the benefits to keto).

    there is not a pro bodybuilder likely in history that ever stepped on a stage without carbs. if they did, we never heard of them cause they got last place . I'm sure they felt great but they sucked at everything else.

    I'd really of like to of given this a much longer run, but I see no point. especially considering my goals right now is I need to gain some size back.
    new game plan coming soon
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    so modified game plan here. not going to be able to put on any size with Keto, so I'm structuring a diet for growth purposes but also to help with lowering inflammation and help my digestive and stomach problems.

    most diets are usually something like high protein low fat moderate carb. or super low carb with high fat. well I'm going to do moderate protein, high fat, moderate carb.
    now I don't generally suggest a diet with macros set up that way. most people will end up putting on too much body fat with that. but i have different goals and purposes here then merely body composition (I want to gain some size back, I won't to get way stronger, and I want to heal my gut and inflammation issues).

    so whats it look like in numbers
    200g Protein , 150g fat, 250g carbs = 3150 cals
    protein 26%, fat 43%, carbs 31%

    these numbers are easy to put down on paper , but how they actually pan out in reality meal per meal may be more difficult. because a lot of the fats I may eat may contain lots of protein , like dairy. if I'm eating 50g of protein with each meal from meat , then I add in dairy at various times for a fat source, theres plenty of protein in dairy as well.. but i'm not going to be that OTC, I'm bulking, if I over shoot protein or carbs a bit here and there thats totally fine.

    now why the high fat? a lot of fatty foods happen to be very nutrient dense foods, plus fats contain over twice the amount of calories as carbs or protein so its easy to drive calories up. plus a lot of them are low inflammation foods.
    things like Avocado, Olives, Red meat, Salmon, Cottage cheese , are all very fatty but also very nutrient and micro nutrient dense. your getting lots of nutrition and vitamins and minerals with fatty foods.

    I've stated this elsewhere, but calories are just a measurement of energy/heat. thats it. calories don't build muscle.. the nutrition itself does, and the micro nutrition (vitamins minerals) are 'co factors' for all the anabolic processes in the body.
    if your in a calorie surplus , but you don't have sufficient micro nutrients coming in, then your not going to grow.

    so I'm focusing a lot on micro nutrition here.


    so here are the main foods I will eat

    direct protein
    - Red meat, dark meat chicken (ie, mainly whole chickens with skin on), pork (salmon when I can afford it)
    indirect protein
    - black beans, dairy

    Fats
    - Avacodo, Olives, Butter, Dairy, Bacon, fatty ground beef, olive oil, eggs, nuts

    Carbs
    - white rice, potatoes, beans, fruit, fruit juices (select veggies)


    foods I'm going to limit
    Pasta, grains, bread, flour, wheat, sugar and sweets ... by limit I mean I'm not building the base of my diet around any of these. but they may end up in a meal on an occasion


    example meals
    meal 1 - whey protein shake in whole milk with some creamer and a spoonful of peanut butter (thrown that in for charger)

    meal 2 - 5 whole eggs, 5oz ground beef or bacon or sausage, bowl of cream of rice cooked in whole milk

    meal 3 - two 8oz hamburger patties, with cheese, 1 cup white rice

    meal 4 - 10oz chicken thighs, mash potatoes with gravy, green beans in butter

    meal 5 - 8oz ground beef, 1 cup of black beans, 1 cup of rice , all covered with cheese. tomatoes and spinach. sour cream

    thats off the top of my head.. I have not crunched the actual numbers yet on each of these meals

    to add in some more carbs and nutrients , after some of these meals I may add in a snack like some fruit, fruit juice, and nuts ..


    will see if I can start putting some weight and strength back on with this while limiting some inflammation and digestion issues, idk , like I say I generally do not set up diets this way for clients. but hey I'm all for experimenting on myself
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    Maybe try throwing in some of that deer liver in for the micro nutrition. I wish I could get deer liver around here... I've been adding fresh beef bone marrow to my meals which is another great source of fat and micronutrients that I would definitely recommend. If you get fattier cuts of steaks you can avoid adding in too much extra fats. Black beans will probably not be a good idea for good digestion. Most of the protein is bound by fiber and antinutirents, so it's not very bioavailable. Also, spinach is very high in oxalates and will contribute to inflammation and acne.
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    GearHeaded, I liked this topic, but one question, how many calories a day are you consuming in your diet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    GearHeaded, I liked this topic, but one question, how many calories a day are you consuming in your diet?
    on the new diet it will be around 3100 . the last month on Keto , I don't know what calories were at. I didn't track at all. I wasn't eating planned meals either I was just eating instinctively and when I ate I ate keto meals.
    thats what I found to be one of the benefits, mainly for people with busy lives (not bodybuilders) is that you can easily go 6-8 hours without a meal and it doesn't even phase you

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronLiver View Post
    Maybe try throwing in some of that deer liver in for the micro nutrition. I wish I could get deer liver around here... I've been adding fresh beef bone marrow to my meals which is another great source of fat and micronutrients that I would definitely recommend. If you get fattier cuts of steaks you can avoid adding in too much extra fats. Black beans will probably not be a good idea for good digestion. Most of the protein is bound by fiber and antinutirents, so it's not very bioavailable. Also, spinach is very high in oxalates and will contribute to inflammation and acne.
    I occasionally make my own bone broth , and when in a rush I just use chicken stock. I will cook my rice in it with butter. adds a lot more nutrients to rice being rice is not very nutrient dense to begin with (its mainly just a carb source).

    yes I was titter tottering on wither to include black beans or not .. I decided to include them for now and can always pull them out later.
    the reason I like black beans for a bulking phase is that its super easy to get a lot of carbs down . much easier to add a bunch of black beans to a cup of plain white rice and triple the carb amount, then it is to eat 3 cups of rice.

    plus they do have a decent amount of micro nutrients, like fiber, potassium, folate, vitamin B6, magnesium, potassium, phosphorus, vitamin k . and phytonutrients, as well as an important mineral knows as Molybdenum .
    thats a lot of bang for your buck in micro nutrients . rice has virtually none of this

    as for Spinach . I've heard a lot of Carnivore folks talking bad about spinach as of late. I'm not going to just take their word. I need to do my own research. as of now I've done none at all

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    All of the nutrients your body needs can be obtained in meats and organs.

    I used to eat black beans, lentils, pinto beans all the time back in the day. Eventually had to stop becuause I was sick of getting bloated and smelling up my house with farts all the time. Oats might be a better alternative but both legumes and oats are pretty much indigestible by humans and therefore all those micronutrients that you listed, including the Molybdenum, will be going into the toilet.

    White rice has no micro nutrients but it's one of the most easily digestable carbs, since the shell has been removed it's far easier for your body to assimilate it more rapidly. Butter will slow the digestion of the rice as well and make you fuller for longer.

    Spinach, kale and all the other shitty tasting green leaves all seem have high amounts of oxolates which crystalize in the thyroid gland. This has been known for a long time and there was a study published over 100 years ago An Experimental Inquiry on Poisoning by Oxalic Acid regarding how dangerous oxolate toxicity is. Also seems to be the leading cause of kidney stones. Here's some good information on the topic of you would like to learn more. Risking Oxalate Toxicity - Sally Norton
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronLiver View Post
    Spinach, kale and all the other shitty tasting green leaves all seem have high amounts of oxolates which crystalize in the thyroid gland. This has been known for a long time and there was a study published over 100 years ago An Experimental Inquiry on Poisoning by Oxalic Acid regarding how dangerous oxolate toxicity is. Also seems to be the leading cause of kidney stones. Here's some good information on the topic of you would like to learn more. Risking Oxalate Toxicity - Sally Norton
    I have heard of the kidney stone issue with spinach but correct me if i'm wrong but I thought I remembered reading that if the spinach is cooked then that is not an issue and that it's only an issue with raw spinach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I have heard of the kidney stone issue with spinach but correct me if i'm wrong but I thought I remembered reading that if the spinach is cooked then that is not an issue and that it's only an issue with raw spinach.
    Cooking or not cooking wouldn't reduce the oxolate count, since they are in a micro crystalline form.

    Here's another great website to check out for more info on the topic - oxalates
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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I have heard of the kidney stone issue with spinach but correct me if i'm wrong but I thought I remembered reading that if the spinach is cooked then that is not an issue and that it's only an issue with raw spinach.
    in a post earlier in this thread, I recommended lightly cooking all your vegetables for better digestion and assimilation.

    in regards to Oxalics . I'm uneducated on this topic. but know its risen in popularity along with the 'toxicity' of veggies recently in regards to the whole vegan vs carnivore debate thats a current trend right now .

    these are good debates and discussions to have and hopefully drive us all to further learning and information so we can make better informed decisions for ourselves in regards to our nutrition.
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    Try reading some actual texts on the matter instead of watching wanky YouTube videos and websites that skip inconvenient details. Namely, much like the protein kidney bullshit, this isnít an issue without pre-existing conditions, unless youíre consuming quantities that arenít realistically feasible, even for a nutty raw foods vegan.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3710657/
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    While Iím all for learning and that often comes from discussion and debate things can get a bit silly. I can understand wanting to optimize every aspect (training, diet, aas) for best results but stressing over a couple of servings of spinach or kale is seriously getting wrapped around the axle. Things donít have to be so black or white (like carnivore vs herbivore) itís like the whole political bs going on currently. Just be reasonable, if you can catch, kill, or grow it itís extremely likely that eating it in moderation will put you closer to your goals.

    Besides there is no way Popeye could have been wrong.


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