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    Shoulder injury...

    Hi I'm new to these boards, well not really, I have been watching the forums from the sideline, but recently decided to register.

    Anyway, I had this nasty shoulder injury the past 2 years and its really starting to get on my nerve. It is severely halting my workout by 60%, can't have that.

    I've tried just about anything and is really running out of ideas. So I would very much like your input, perhabs you have some new ideas or something I haven't thought of.

    Cheers,
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    How did the injury occur? Whats your usual routine(movement of the shoulder)?

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    ummm what about going to the doctors

    if its hurting your work out by 60% as you have said i would think that, that is pretty serious continueing to work out my do perminent damage if it has not already

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    I don't really know exactly how the injury accured, can't remember, but most likely because of bench pressing... too much weight.

    I got full movement of my shoulder now, but hadn't back then. However whenever I begin to put stress on my shoulder, the pain pops up.

    Edit: the doctors... been there, done that they can't really do anything! I've had three "Blockage" (right word?) injected into my shoulder and they've helped a lot, but I'm not allowed to have anymore of those.

    I've had an X-Ray & Ultra-scan and they all say it's just the result of overlifting and should be gone in a month or two... it's been 2 years now.

    In short, the doctors can't do anything nor can phycian.
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    have your tried switching to bumbells and seeing if the pain continues, and even droping weight?

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    Could be the rotary cuf. I had a shoulder injury and when I went to the doctor damn bitch told me-Well if it huts don't do that. If you have a better doctor than me than you might go get it checked out. I just did some rotational warmup excercises with a five pound weight and it seemed to work in about a week. I did'nt have the problem as long as you though. You also might consider taking a little time off for healing-as much of a bitch as that sounds

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    I have recently decided to continue my body building after 1 years of rest, which really didn't have anything.

    As a result of this there are several excercises I am able to perform, but the majority of shoulder- & Chest-workouts I can't do. Plus a lot of biceps, triceps & back which I can't do either.

    A drop in weight, usually result in the same pain, because instead of lifting heavy you're doing more reps, which in the end strains the shoulder just as much.

    Edit: Actually my doctors seem to believe that it's my collarbone that has fractures in it because of overtraining and it does make sense, because its my legiment that hurts.

    I've recently started taking Deca , hopefully it will do the trick. But its too early to say if it'll work.
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    I'd say start doing some internal and external rotations with those rubber tubes they have in most gyms. They really strengthen the shoulder and it's parts. I had a similar injury (but not as severe) and this really helped out. I'm back to 100% with no pain. Just be careful you don't wanna hurt yourself even worse.

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    I may be looking at the the same problem now. I'll be seeing a specialist on the 25th. He's rated in the top ten shoulder specialists in the U.S.. Maybe it will shed some light. I also recommend you read a post I put up last week. TNT responded with encouraging words of advice.
    I have near full range of my right arm back, but with no force. ( it hurts to hold 2lbs in any direction.)

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    <b>devilscabanaboy19:</b> Already doing some, but if you could ellaborate a little.

    <b>Destructo:</b> hmm... must've missed your post.
    I've seen 2 specialists, all agreeing on the same thing... nothing can be done. Well not entirely true, a surgery is possible, but involves removing part of the collarbone, but there are no guarantees that it will actually help. So nuts to that

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    You're on the right track with the internal, external rotations
    you may want to try using DB's on your pressing movements with a neutral grip (palms facing eachother)
    also try tucking your elbows like powerlifters do as opposed to keeping your elbows out. Also when benching try to press the bar towards your feet and not up over your face this will relieve stress normally put on the shoulder joint with a bodybuilder type bench press.

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    Just make sure you do them in a slow deliberate manner, and hold at the peak for a second. These aren't meant to be done heavy, go really light, pick a resistance that you can get at least 20 reps in. Remember you're trying to warm up the shoulder joint and not damage it further. I do at least two sets of internal and external rotation for each arm before I do ANY pressing movements. Just PM me if you have any other questions.

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    The main problem with the shoulder is how you train it..(ALLWAYS DO FRONT PRESS NOT BEHIND AS THAT WILL AGREVATE THE ROTACUF) I know i was out for 12 months with the prob

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    Originally posted by bexsome
    The main problem with the shoulder is how you train it..(ALLWAYS DO FRONT PRESS NOT BEHIND AS THAT WILL AGREVATE THE ROTACUF) I know i was out for 12 months with the prob
    UHmm... front press, not entirely sure I understand what you mean about that.


    Originally posted by devilscabanaboy19
    Just make sure you do them in a slow deliberate manner, and hold at the peak for a second. These aren't meant to be done heavy, go really light, pick a resistance that you can get at least 20 reps in. Remember you're trying to warm up the shoulder joint and not damage it further. I do at least two sets of internal and external rotation for each arm before I do ANY pressing movements. Just PM me if you have any other questions.
    I am doing some internal, external rotations, but I would very much like to hear about the ones you suggest, so if you could elaborate a little on the matter.

    xxxl83: Thought about that, might give it a go.

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    Alrighty. What I do is I take one of those rubber tubes that they use in fitness classes, wrap it around a pole so that only one handle is free. Then I grab the handle and and rotate my arm away from my body keeping my elbow locked in at my side. That is and external rotation. For internal I grab both handles of the tube with the middle being wrapped around a pole and step away from the pole so that there is tension in the tubes. Then I rotate my arm in toward my body, keeping my elbow at my side. This is an internal rotation. I like tubes better because they afford greater flexibility and train the shoulder to be a little more stable.

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    I hope that's what you were asking, in not just be more specific.

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    I hope that's what you were asking, if not just be more specific.

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    Originally posted by devilscabanaboy19
    Alrighty. What I do is I take one of those rubber tubes that they use in fitness classes, wrap it around a pole so that only one handle is free. Then I grab the handle and and rotate my arm away from my body keeping my elbow locked in at my side. That is and external rotation. For internal I grab both handles of the tube with the middle being wrapped around a pole and step away from the pole so that there is tension in the tubes. Then I rotate my arm in toward my body, keeping my elbow at my side. This is an internal rotation. I like tubes better because they afford greater flexibility and train the shoulder to be a little more stable.
    I am doing the first one right now, except with not with rubber tubes, but something similiar.

    Thanks for the other suggestion, I'll give it a try. By the way, how many reps do you perform?

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    Anyone tried Acupuncture to lessen an injury? Anyone had the opposite effect, I went once two weeks ago. Feel like I've been set 2 years back in terms of recovery.

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    what about a therapeutic massage,it might help. when i was getting shoulder pains i just went and got a shot of cortizone or something like that,and i was all better after.

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    I haven't tried massage yet, but might give it a shot as I am tense in my neck like crazy.

    I've had something similiar to Cortizone (painkiller right?), don't know what its called in english. But yes it was all better after 2 days, but it only lasted 2 weeks and then it was back to normal. I'm not too fond of pain killers, because I wouldn' t know if the injury was actually gone or if it was because of the painkiller, hence I would resume my workout and probably end up in an even worser state.

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    I had a real problem with my shoulder for a LONG time, like 10 years! I could never work my shoulders hard at all and the delts looked really small compared to my arms.

    I tried lots of warmup, stretching, rotations, etc., but it didn't help.

    Somebody suggested that I might feel better if I worked my rear delts harder, so I started hitting the bent-over lateral raises hard--until the weight and reps I was doing on the lateral raises was about the same as I was doing on dumbell shoulder presses.

    It didn't just help, the pain went away!

    I think that if your rear delts are not strong enough (muscle and tendons), then you can wind up stressing the shoulder unnecessarily when doing military and bench press.

    Try it and let me know if it helps!

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    Originally posted by Ajax
    Somebody suggested that I might feel better if I worked my rear delts harder, so I started hitting the bent-over lateral raises hard--until the weight and reps I was doing on the lateral raises was about the same as I was doing on dumbell shoulder presses.
    Thanks for your reply, I would very much like if you could elaborate on that exercise. Perhabs you got a picture of it? The reason I ask this is because I'm not too sure which exercise it is, as I'm not full-breed english there are some exercises I can't quite make out.

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    Found out which exercise you were taking about. Had it mixed up with some other exercise.

    How long did it take before your shoulder got better and where exactly was your pain located? Mine is located in my joint.

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