Deads for BACK!

[*Narkissos*]

P.S. I do Deads and Stiff Deads on Different days...As long as you get your butt down and bend your knees, the hammies are pretty much out of the equation....So no worries on overtraining them there...

There's a lot of misinformation on this thread... I wasn't going to bump it because of its age. But since it's been already i'd like to add *cough cough* bullshit *cough cough*

U09... it is impossible to remove the activation of major muscle groups in a multi-joint exercise.

[*Narkissos*]

^^p.s. Great advice as usual Doc.
I'm going for a 585 lb pull again tomorrow. It's been elluding me for some weeks now. Wish me luck

[Doc.Sust]

Did that weeks ago and copied and pasted them into a document saved on my computer. Been reviewing them ever since. Good shit bro, thanks!!

i hope they will help, any questions ,please ask

[Doc.Sust]

There's a lot of misinformation on this thread... I wasn't going to bump it because of its age. But since it's been already i'd like to add *cough cough* bullshit *cough cough*

U09... it is impossible to remove the activation of major muscle groups in a multi-joint exercise.

i didnt want to say it, but i am glad you did! yes you can do sldl one day and regular deads on a seperate day maybe for a 6 wk micro cycle, hell i know some guys who dead 3 days a wk for micro cycle, BUT the key word here is MICROCYCLe. you can not keep this up for more than 6 wks. way to taxing on the cns and will beat your body up bad,and if done for to long will cause sever overtraining. if you tried to train multiple 12 to 16 wk programs year round doing double deadlift days, you would only end up hurting yourself no matter how much endurance you have, how quick your recover time is, how much gear your on, how high your G.P.P is...eventualy you will be overtrained and yo increase the chance of injury

[Doc.Sust]

^^p.s. Great advice as usual Doc.
I'm going for a 585 lb pull again tomorrow. It's been elluding me for some weeks now. Wish me luck

nark you are looking BIG!!!!! damn,!! good luck with the 585lb,....but if i was you ... i would throw on the 5lbs plates and the 2.5 lb plates and go for 600!!!! trust me if you can pull 585, you can pull 600 as well. it is all in your head, the more riled up and crazy you get, the easier the weight moves from the floor!! think about it, let me know how it goes!

[*Narkissos*]

^^ I wish it were all in my head

I'm so tiny



I've failed on each of my attempts at 585.. so i think i need to break that barrier first.

600 was the goal prior to cutting... I reached 545 for reps... Then cut 40 lbs of bodyweight to compete in august.

I'm back up 35 lbs since.. and back at 545 again.

I think i may try periodisation to get it over 600 finally.

Thanks for the encouragement Doc. Little guys like me need it

[Doc.Sust]

^^ I wish it were all in my head

I'm so tiny



I've failed on each of my attempts at 585.. so i think i need to break that barrier first.

600 was the goal prior to cutting... I reached 545 for reps... Then cut 40 lbs of bodyweight to compete in august.

I'm back up 35 lbs since.. and back at 545 again.

I think i may try periodisation to get it over 600 finally.

Thanks for the encouragement Doc. Little guys like me need it

little guy my ass! if you are hitting 545 you should be able to do 600. chance are i bet you are pulling to heavy in training to often and this is why you cant get over 600lbs, also before you max, do you tqake an entire wk off before attempting you max? you should, hell i take sometime 2 wks off before i max to let my cns recover, good rule of thumb , never pull more than 90% to 92.5 % of what you want to max with in training(for myself, i never go over 90%) periodization in the dead will help you more than you can imagine

[*Narkissos*]

little guy my ass! if you are hitting 545 you should be able to do 600. chance are i bet you are pulling to heavy in training to often and this is why you cant get over 600lbs, also before you max, do you tqake an entire wk off before attempting you max? you should, hell i take sometime 2 wks off before i max to let my cns recover, good rule of thumb , never pull more than 90% to 92.5 % of what you want to max with in training(for myself, i never go over 90%) periodization in the dead will help you more than you can imagine

Hm.. i've never taken an entire week off.

Do you mean from training period.. or from deadlifting?

Cus other goals brought into perspective, taking a week off would be counterproductive at this point.

But i will concede i didn't deadlift last week..and i'm thinking about not doing it later today... And if what you're suggesting is not touching it for 2 weeks, that'd mean that next week i should be able to pull 600

Wouldn't squats (seeing that they're biomechanically similar) affect the CNS in the same manner as deads? Thus by your suggestion i'd have to take a week off from squatting before i attempted a max effort dead?

Nark

[Columbus]

330 1rpm 320
Deads
Reps Weight Sets
0.5 10 160 1
0.6 6 190 1
0.7 4 225 1
0.1 1 320 1
0.85 6 270 4
0.9 4 285-290 4
0.95 2 305 4
0.1 1 320 1
0.6 3 190-195 3

Tbar
6 60 1
6 60 1
. 6 60 1
Lat Pull
6 55 1
6 55 1
6 55 1

[*Narkissos*]

Hm.. i've never taken an entire week off.

Do you mean from training period.. or from deadlifting?

Cus other goals brought into perspective, taking a week off would be counterproductive at this point.

But i will concede i didn't deadlift last week..and i'm thinking about not doing it later today... And if what you're suggesting is not touching it for 2 weeks, that'd mean that next week i should be able to pull 600

Wouldn't squats (seeing that they're biomechanically similar) affect the CNS in the same manner as deads? Thus by your suggestion i'd have to take a week off from squatting before i attempted a max effort dead?

Nark

Bump for The Doc!!!

[Doc.Sust]

Hm.. i've never taken an entire week off.

Do you mean from training period.. or from deadlifting?

Cus other goals brought into perspective, taking a week off would be counterproductive at this point.

But i will concede i didn't deadlift last week..and i'm thinking about not doing it later today... And if what you're suggesting is not touching it for 2 weeks, that'd mean that next week i should be able to pull 600

Wouldn't squats (seeing that they're biomechanically similar) affect the CNS in the same manner as deads? Thus by your suggestion i'd have to take a week off from squatting before i attempted a max effort dead?

Nark

yes, 2 wks off of the dead, and one for the entire body would be ideal, but what you could do is this..2 wks off the dead, 1 wk off of all leg work, and than max the following wk. if you cant do this than. 2wk of the deadlift, one wk off of the squat only , and than deadlift. does this make sense?

[Undecided09]

There's a lot of misinformation on this thread... I wasn't going to bump it because of its age. But since it's been already i'd like to add *cough cough* bullshit *cough cough*

U09... it is impossible to remove the activation of major muscle groups in a multi-joint exercise.

Nark I believe the original question was about overtraining and doing SDLs on the same day as regular deadlifts (or doing them on consecutive days)...

instead of writing a doctorate about the subject I felt it was more appropriate to keep the answer short and to the point...Once again you felt the need to take one of my shortened answers and fully criticize it...

Yes I recognize that major muscle groups are used, even unintentionally, in certain exercises...Hey your back is used a tad when you squat....

The question was about overtraining, I was simply stating that performing the exercise that way would MINIMIZE the stress put on the hammies and MAXIMIZE the tension on your back, thats all....

I could just do without the personal attacks...