Training to failure

[Armykid93]

What are your thoughts on training to failure specifically for the purpose of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?

Bad or good?

[Gaspaco]

I love to do HIT workouts! Until failure and beyond.

Lower weight and more reps works amazing on my!!!

[Doom44]

Go beyond Failure stimulate more muscle grow !!!

[oatmeal69]

By not training to failure, you get what you already have. I wish I had known about HIT years ago, I'd be way better now.

[Armykid93]

I've heard training to failure (until no more reps can be performed) over and over again can be detrimental.

[cj111]

I do both, some sessions is failure with heavy weight, some sessions is 15 reps.
I like doing legs with 15-20 reps, moderate to light weight.
I like incorporating all rep ranges, but thats just me

[baseline_9]

What are your thoughts on training to failure specifically for the purpose of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?

Bad or good?

I've heard training to failure (until no more reps can be performed) over and over again can be detrimental.

For sarcoplasmic hypertrophy less intensity with greater volume would be better.....

HIT is no longer my preferred training style..... I'm keeping up with the times and evolving onto a PHAT type routine which rarely (if ever) involves training to failure but does involve greater frequency and volume

[baseline_9]

By not training to failure, you get what you already have. I wish I had known about HIT years ago, I'd be way better now.

Noobs to HIT will make gains..... The body is responding to the increased intensity..... That's the variable that you have tweaked to make gains with HIT...... However those gains will plateau and unless you are following basic principles of progressive tension overload the muscle will not respond....

As far as I'm aware the training style that is closest to optimal for muscle hypertrophy and strength is a non linear periodisation program with body parts being trained every 3 to 4 days....

[austinite]

I was overconfident yesterday and failed at 1/4 of a rep.

[Armykid93]

I was overconfident yesterday and failed at 1/4 of a rep.

Lol I hate those days.

[Armykid93]

For sarcoplasmic hypertrophy less intensity with greater volume would be better.....

HIT is no longer my preferred training style..... I'm keeping up with the times and evolving onto a PHAT type routine which rarely (if ever) involves training to failure but does involve greater frequency and volume

Thanks for the info, so for the purpose of gaining size purely (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy) let's say i'm using a weight I could perform 10 reps with, 10 being an incomplete rep due to failure. Should I not do all 10 and stop at 9 most of the time?

Hope my question makes sense

[baseline_9]

Thanks for the info, so for the purpose of gaining size purely (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy) let's say i'm using a weight I could perform 10 reps with, 10 being an incomplete rep due to failure. Should I not do all 10 and stop at 9 most of the time?

Hope my question makes sense

Yes.... Working to an RPE of between 8 and 9 will allow for far greater workload over the training session (weight x reps x sets) which will be better for the type of growth you are after....

[Armykid93]

Yes.... Working to an RPE of between 8 and 9 will allow for far greater workload over the training session (weight x reps x sets) which will be better for the type of growth you are after....

What does RPE stand for?

[Juced_porkchop]

What are your thoughts on training to failure specifically for the purpose of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?

Bad or good?

I usually go till I can;t. 40-50min heavy and i cant lift anymore for that muscle group, that is a workout well done. I rarely stop if I can still lift.

[Juced_porkchop]

Thanks for the info, so for the purpose of gaining size purely (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy) let's say i'm using a weight I could perform 10 reps with, 10 being an incomplete rep due to failure. Should I not do all 10 and stop at 9 most of the time?

Hope my question makes sense

I lift 7-9 reps MAX, that means I CANT do more even if i wanted to, when i get to only 5-6reps I might take a bit off to bring me back to 8ish reps and go till I can't anymore.

if you can do 10 weps but are only doing 8 or 9 then you are not lifting correctly . when we say 8 reps we mean NOT BY CHOICE! we mean 8 reps is ALL you CAN do with the amount you have on bar. we dont put enough to lift 15 reps but choice to only do 8, not how it works, we put enough that we cant lift more then say 8 even if we wanted to and we go with that. hope that makes sense.

[austinite]

dang. 50 minutes of lifting? yeah I'd be pooped too! I usually lift for 25-30 minutes.

[baseline_9]

What does RPE stand for?

I lift 7-9 reps MAX, that means I CANT do more even if i wanted to, when i get to only 5-6reps I might take a bit off to bring me back to 8ish reps and go till I can't anymore.

if you can do 10 weps but are only doing 8 or 9 then you are not lifting correctly . when we say 8 reps we mean NOT BY CHOICE! we mean 8 reps is ALL you CAN do with the amount you have on bar. we dont put enough to lift 15 reps but choice to only do 8, not how it works, we put enough that we cant lift more then say 8 even if we wanted to and we go with that. hope that makes sense.

RPE - Rate of Perceived Exertion


And the above bold is incorrect.... There is no right or wrong ways to train... But there are more than one way to skin a cat.... If your program means that you don't train to failure then training to failure on that program would be wrong.....

Funny thing, when I look around the gym at all the guys who are training to failure and beyond they all look the same... And never make gains.... Everyone in the gym trains to failure because they think they have too.... You don't.... It's not working consistently for the majority of people by the looks of things....

The problem is lack of programming

[baseline_9]

dang. 50 minutes of lifting? yeah I'd be pooped too! I usually lift for 25-30 minutes.

My lower power day took me about 65mins today....

I was getting all worked up, thinking I was going 'catabolic' and my muscle was literally sweating out of my pores..... But then I realised that I am no longer a 'Bro' so everything was cool....

[austinite]

Well I don't do 50 minutes because I don't like the feeling of being near dead on my way out. lol. Besides, I'm very close to my goal and no need for me to do anything excessive.

[Back In Black]

My lower power day took me about 65mins today....

I was getting all worked up, thinking I was going 'catabolic' and my muscle was literally sweating out of my pores..... But then I realised that I am no longer a 'Bro' so everything was cool....

You should probably sip on 36.2g of whey isolate during your workout if you're training that long

[baseline_9]

You should probably sip on 36.2g of whey isolate during your workout if you're training that long

But then 6.2g would go to waste since the body can only deal with 30g at a time

[basketballfan22]

I was overconfident yesterday and failed at 1/4 of a rep.

God, I HATE when that happens!

[basketballfan22]

I usually go till I can;t. 40-50min heavy and i cant lift anymore for that muscle group, that is a workout well done. I rarely stop if I can still lift.

Yeah, I am the same. I still can't get myself to get out of they gym early. I have made a lot of improvements from what I used to do, but I still work out longer than most members here it seems.

[austinite]

Yeah, If you add in cardio time... dang.. way too much time there.

[Back In Black]

But then 6.2g would go to waste since the body can only deal with 30g at a time

30g per hour I think. So, as long as you spread it over 65 mins you should be ok.

God, people believe some shit don't they!?!?

[baseline_9]

30g per hour I think. So, as long as you spread it over 65 mins you should be ok.

God, people believe some shit don't they!?!?

God.... Tell me about it...I think I'm going to retire and leave bro bashing up to the Reds who want to get a staff pass

[austinite]

Fuk it. I'm just going to eat 400 grams of protein and sit at home.

[MuscleInk]

Fuk it. I'm just going to eat 400 grams of protein and sit at home.

That's what Lunk does. Oh wait, my bad. It's 400g of carbs and THEN he sits at home.

[Rusty11]

You guys know much more than me, but I believe that variety is the key. Training to failure each workout-month after month, year after year will undoubtedly take a toll on your joints, tendons, and body as a whole. Currently, I'm doing a HIT workout. I'll take a break after six weeks by easing up a bit, then HIT it again.

[Armykid93]

That's what Lunk does. Oh wait, my bad. It's 400g of carbs and THEN he sits at home.

I eat all my macros in one meal during the day. I Met this dude with a really sick beard that told me its the best way to go. He wasn't qualified and he obviously didn't lift but I didn't question it

[Brazensol]

I am currently doing 3-4 sets of 6-8 reps (bench press, incline db press, all back exercises, barbell shoulder press) taking the last set to failure. I am doing 8-10 reps on all remaining exercises taking the last set to failure. So you guys are taking all your sets to failure? How long (experience) should I be lifting before you think I should take all my sets to failure? How long do you rest between sets

[oatmeal69]

So you guys are taking all your sets to failure? How long (experience) should I be lifting before you think I should take all my sets to failure? How long do you rest between sets

Read this thread, and watch the videos.
http://forums.steroid.com/lifting-te...-training.html
You are looking to go BEYOND failure using drop-sets, spotters, etc. You will reduce sets, but increase intensity. Rest time should be no more than a minute. At first it might seem you aren't training enough, but the next day if you do it right - you'll feel it.

[Rusty11]

Third week of HIT...LOVING IT. Right On, marcus.

[poison]

I generally advise new people to pick a weight that causes them to reach failure in the last set. The problem with most new lifters is that they're not going hard enough, so I think failure is a good thing for them to aim for.. As far as advanced trainers go, it's probably not as beneficial.

[baseline_9]

I generally advise new people to pick a weight that causes them to reach failure in the last set. The problem with most new lifters is that they're not going hard enough, so I think failure is a good thing for them to aim for.. As far as advanced trainers go, it's probably not as beneficial.

This is backwards logic and bad practice IMO...

Why would you want a beginner who is still learning movement patterns to be training to failure.... It's a recipie for disaster in the long run.... They need to practice multiple sets that are not to failure so that they can practice and become a better lifter...

[poison]

Just to clarify, when I say beginner I don't mean someone that has never stepped in a gym before. I'm talking primarily about the on-and-off gym goers that lift occasionally but are starting to get serious. They usually know the proper form but completely lack intensity. I don't think that they're going to get injured going to failure on a 155lb bench, for example. They are going to stay at 155 lbs though if all they're doing is a couple sets of 8 x 135.

For a completely new lifter you obviously want to make sure they understand the form first.. That goes without saying.

[italianstallion85]

When I cut, I do a weight light enough to complete just one set of 100 without failing.If I can't make it, I lower the weight. Light weight exercises to me are my cardio workout, that seems to help me lose unwanted fat! For bulking, I hit heavy weight and low numbers to failure. Pushing yourself past your previous limits is what helps with the muscle building process. That and a sound protein diet :-)

[Dougiefresh7707]

Noobs to HIT will make gains..... The body is responding to the increased intensity..... That's the variable that you have tweaked to make gains with HIT...... However those gains will plateau and unless you are following basic principles of progressive tension overload the muscle will not respond....

As far as I'm aware the training style that is closest to optimal for muscle hypertrophy and strength is a non linear periodisation program with body parts being trained every 3 to 4 days....

Do you have any links on those methods interested in them, but I don't think HIT if you muscles are failing how can they adapt to that and plateau? I'm not familiar with progressive tension overload fully?

[Dougiefresh7707]

Read this thread, and watch the videos.
http://forums.steroid.com/lifting-te...-training.html
You are looking to go BEYOND failure using drop-sets, spotters, etc. You will reduce sets, but increase intensity. Rest time should be no more than a minute. At first it might seem you aren't training enough, but the next day if you do it right - you'll feel it.

Yes beyond failure is real HIT most will exhaust there positive motion but not the negative I fail on both and beyond with trying to push out half reps and having my spotter help me push out a couple more after failure. As I see it if you keep increasing weight and failing your body can't adapt to it for the most part.

[tdoe11]

Yes beyond failure is real HIT most will exhaust there positive motion but not the negative I fail on both and beyond with trying to push out half reps and having my spotter help me push out a couple more after failure. As I see it if you keep increasing weight and failing your body can't adapt to it for the most part.

Agreed /\