Deadlifts and back hypertrophy

[PeanutbutterDC]

How important are deadlifts (or rack pulls) in a program designed for back hypertrophy?
Say I do 20 sets of back 5 times a month, how many of those days should include deadlifts, and how many sets?

[HoldMyBeer]

Talk to Obs, he doesn't do them and his back is huge
In fact, there is one popular coach that hates them. He says they are too taxing. If you do them first, you can't give proper energy into the rest of your back workout. If you do them at the end you risk injury. And a t bar row will do more for building your back than a deadlift any day.
All good points, but I like them. I think they do a good job of hitting the spinal Erectors (which not many exercises do). Plus, it's an ego lift. Everyone loves the ego lifts.
If you're going to do them, I would not do it more than once a week unless you're doing low weight high rep (which is rare for a DL). I am currently doing a 1x5 (will 4 sets working my way up) once a week. I used to do a 3x8 but I am trying to push the weight up. It's the same as the squat thing, it's not something you want to take to failure. If you don't know you have another rep in you with GOOD form, don't attempt it

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[Obs]

Talk to Obs, he doesn't do them and his back is huge
In fact, there is one popular coach that hates them. He says they are too taxing. If you do them first, you can't give proper energy into the rest of your back workout. If you do them at the end you risk injury. And a t bar row will do more for building your back than a deadlift any day.
All good points, but I like them. I think they do a good job of hitting the spinal Erectors (which not many exercises do). Plus, it's an ego lift. Everyone loves the ego lifts.
If you're going to do them, I would not do it more than once a week unless you're doing low weight high rep (which is rare for a DL). I am currently doing a 1x5 (will 4 sets working my way up) once a week. I used to do a 3x8 but I am trying to push the weight up. It's the same as the squat thing, it's not something you want to take to failure. If you don't know you have another rep in you with GOOD form, don't attempt it

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I carry trees alday though.

I look at it like this.
Some pros don't deadlift
Some dont do squats
Some dont do cardio
Some dont train abs
Some dont count macros
They all do what works for them.

I dont dead because it winds up hurting me for weeks in the gym and at work. I spend all day bent over with a saw or throwing pieces of tree.
Often I cut limbs into 300 lb sections and put them on my shoulders and carry them.
Deadlifts would make me older faster.

Thanks about the back comment btw.

As far as upper back goes deadlifts do nothing for me.
My low disc gives me enough trouble without me adding unnecessary strain on it.

I dont do deads but it is probably one of my strongest lifts. I dont do cardio but spend hours per day with my heart rate elevated gasping for air from carrying heavy things long distances.

Cutting deads was more of a way of making lifting suit my life.

[GearHeaded]

deadlifts from the floor generate more systemic fatigue then back hypertrophy. When hypertrophy and body comp are your number one goal, you want to go with the most 'bang for your buck' hypertrophy exercises that are the least fatiguing.

you only have so much MRV to work with (MRV = Maximum Recoverable Volume). think of it like a financial budget. you only have so much $ coming in to work with and direct what funds go where. deadlifts are very "expensive" for what they give in return.


now if you really like doing the movement and its something you look forward to and makes your training fun. Well maybe consider snatch grip rack pulls instead. by doing a snatch grip this is going to force your upper back (rhomboids, lower traps) to retract and contract throughout the movement. you'll get much more direct back work out of it this way at least compared to a traditional dead lift (and being your not pulling from the floor you'll generate less fatigue)

[kelkel]

I haven't done deads in years but I did like them. My favorite was to do them at the end of back work, every other workout. This way for me (at least) I didn't have to spend as much time warming up and I also didn't have to go as heavy. Over time I ended up dropping them down to every third week, which was the week I did not squat. The next progression for me was simply stopping them. Still squatting heavy seemed to give me enough low back stimulation and does to this day.

[kelkel]

I look at it like this.
Some pros don't deadlift
Some dont do squats
Some dont do cardio
Some dont train abs
Some dont count macros
They all do what works for them.

I got 4 out of 5! What do I win?

[Obs]

I got 4 out of 5! What do I win?

I know you squat and dont count macros because you already know by sight...

You get veiny legs and a date with charger.

[charger69]

If you don’t do deads, then what do you do for your spinal erectors?


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[Obs]

If you don’t do deads, then what do you do for your spinal erectors?


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Work

[charger69]

Work

The chainsaw does the work. You just direct it. LOL


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[Obs]

The chainsaw does the work. You just direct it. LOL


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Only one way to move 40,000 lbs of wood from the ground to a truck bed and trailer by hand.
You wont be lifting with your knees very often either.

[kelkel]

I know you squat and dont count macros because you already know by sight...

You get veiny legs and a date with charger.

Not sure I'm winning with this?

Here's a cool (sorta) leg pic from Tuesday speaking of veins. They actually get worse than this at times....

[Obs]

Not sure I'm winning with this?

Here's a cool (sorta) leg pic from Tuesday speaking of veins. They actually get worse than this at times....

Scary looking beast of a man kel.
We all strive for your legs

[Obs]

I am curious to see what kel would look like doped up on ephedrine with a carb load