Kanye West.."George Bush doesn't care about black people." VIDEO

**towup** · 09-08-2005, 07:29 PM

**** kanye West. All i have to say, sorry for not blurring out the cuss words, but that pissed me off. I think hes a moron!

**towup** · 09-08-2005, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by FINAMAN

And if my country or Canada had a president that stole peoples moneya nd did all that shyt to them then I'd be the 1st to come and tell you that hes a no good stealing stupid president. I dont respect a role model for a huge country that does those kind of things I dont know maybe you do.

You are a ****ing idiot. BAN HIM!!!

**FINAMAN** · 09-08-2005, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Bigen12

What in the hell are you talking about?

This type of Bull Shiat is completely unacceptable

Your right it is it sounds stupid but I wouldnt say it for no reason I read it in 3 different papers my self so thats where I got it from. What you want me 2 do go buy all the old news papers that they wrote on this topic just to prove a point? comoon man I said what I said based on a bunch of articles I read in a couple different papers. I know some papers talk shyt but I duno its what I read and it pissed me off cuz w.e I told you guys how I felt about it. I get the point you all think it was such a stupid thing to say blah blah blah but guyz RELAXE I get the point. I'm guessing you guys are all so perfect huh? you never said or did anything dumb in your life that you said hey i shouldnt of said that? atleast I had the ballz to state my opinion even though I knew I was gonna get flamed for it.Even though it was a bad opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I guess that was mine. BooHoo suck it up I got you, I get it, you didnt like it nore were you pleased with it so chill. I'm sorry if I offended a couple guyz here but like I said I've been to the states and I love the poeple and the country I was just stating my opinion with a bunch of shyt I had read and seen pictures of. Maybe I shouldnt of said what I said . Well a mistake is not a mistake if you learn from it. So I did. Now you guys wanna forgive and forget or keep swearing calling me stupid moron rearted ban him blah blah its up to you but I got the point so easy with the rude msgs.

**Jdawg50** · 09-08-2005, 08:10 PM

www.google.com, go here, look up the articles that you read in the paper, cut and paste the link so we can read what you read. You will then have some credibility in this forum... just some friendly advise. no flame at all. Good luck

**Jdawg50** · 09-08-2005, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by FINAMAN

I told you guys how I felt about it. I get the point you all think it was such a stupid thing to say blah blah blah but guyz RELAXE I get the point. I'm guessing you guys are all so perfect huh? you never said or did anything dumb in your life that you said hey i shouldnt of said that? atleast I had the ballz to state my opinion even though I knew I was gonna get flamed for it.Even though it was a bad opinion.

Thanks bro, very cool to say you should not have said some of those things! Props to you for seeing that some of that stuff was probably wrong to say. My advise in the future, in this forum, is to read the post, do some research, and then post your thoughts and back them up with fact.

**towup** · 09-08-2005, 08:15 PM

You cant believe any of the media shit. they look at things one way(the bad way) they turn everything into something 10x worse then what it is.

**FINAMAN** · 09-08-2005, 08:34 PM

k guyz here is 1 post i just found cuz I have to get off and dont have much time but you guys read it for yourself see and tell me what you think.

Link = http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m14763&l=i&size=1&hd=0

he June 24-26 World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI) in Istanbul, Turkey, was the concluding session of a two-year effort which included previous sessions in London, Mumbai, Copenhagen, Brussels, New York, Japan, Stockholm, South Korea, Rome, Frankfurt, Geneva, Lisbon and Spain. Drawing on the tradition of Bertrand Russell's 1967 International War Crimes Tribunal on Vietnam, the WTI's mission was to document the truth about the 2003 war and occupation--against official lies, disinformation and silence. The participants saw the Tribunal as "an act of resistance"--as Indian novelist and activist Arundhati Roy put it, "a defense mounted against one of the most cowardly wars ever fought in history."

Around 1,000 people from some 24 different countries attended this Tribunal. Over three days, six panels--a politically diverse group of 54 scholars, journalists, legal experts, witnesses, former soldiers and officials from around the globe, and most of all Iraqis direct from the occupation--presented evidence to an international jury of conscience comprised of people from 10 countries. I was invited to testify on the history of U.S. and UK intervention in Iraq. I'm pretty well informed when it comes to Iraq, but the three days of testimony I heard in Istanbul--especially the words of Iraqis direct from the occupation--were still eye-opening and gut-wrenching.
The Horrors of the Occupation

Day two of the Tribunal, which focused on the U.S. occupation, was particularly intense and moving. Witness after witness presented horrific and enraging pictures of life under the U.S. imperial occupation. Iraqis described living under a reign of terror--of torture in the prisons, massacres in Falluja and other cities, rape of women, nighttime raids and home demolitions, and many other horrors. Some witnesses showed slides, photos or video--including footage of the twisted metal and broken concrete rubble and ruin left by the U.S. assault on Falluja. A banner, probably 50 feet long and five feet high covered with pictures of massacred Iraqis and their children, was brought before the Tribunal.
Story of Hudda Fawzi Salam Issawa from Falluja:

Five of us, including a 55-year-old neighbor, were trapped together in our house in Falluja when the siege began. On November 9 [2004], American Marines came to our house. My father and the neighbor went to the door to meet them. We were not fighters. We thought we had nothing to fear. I ran into the kitchen to put on my veil, since men were going to enter our house. This saved my life. As my father and neighbor approached the door, the Americans opened fired on them. They died instantly. Me and my 13-year-old brother hid in the kitchen behind the fridge. The soldiers came into the house and caught my older sister. They beat her. Then they shot her.

Statement of a 46-year-old engineer describing what he saw in a U.S. prison:

I saw a young man of 14 years of age bleeding from his anus and lying on the floor. He was Kurdish and his name was Hama. I heard the soldiers talking to each other about this guy; they mentioned that the reason for this bleeding was inserting a metal object in his anus.

U.S. Journalist Dahr Jamail, describing his interview with an Iraqi man released from Abu Ghraib after being held for over three months without charges:

Ali Abbas lives in the Al-Amiriyah district of Baghdad and worked in civil administration. He was forced to strip naked shortly after arriving [at Abu Ghraib], and remained that way for most of his stay in the prison. "They made us lay on top of each other naked as if it was sex, and beat us with a broom," he said. In addition to being beaten on their genitals, detainees were also denied water and food for extended periods of time, then were forced to watch as their food was thrown in the trash. Treatment also included having a loaded gun held to his head to prevent him from crying out in pain as his hand-ties were tightened.

"My hands were enlarged because there was no blood because they cuffed them so tight," he told me. "My head was covered with the sack, and they fastened my right hand to a pole with handcuffs. They made me stand on my toes to clip me to it.".

Abbas said that at one point, "Two men came, one a foreigner and one a translator. He asked me who I was. I said I'm a human being. They told me, 'We are going to cut off your head and send you to hell. We will take you to Guantánamo.'. Abbas added, "They shit on us, used dogs against us, used electricity and starved us."

He told me, "Saddam Hussein used to have people like those who tortured us. Why do they put Saddam to trial, but they do not put the Americans to trial?". Abbas did not feel this was the work of a few individual soldiers. "This was organized, it wasn't just individuals. And every one of the troops in Abu Ghraib was responsible for it."

It's impossible to do justice in this article to all the testimonies and evidence presented at the Tribunal, which amounted to a damning, overwhelming, and compelling indictment of the Iraq war and the U.S.-UK occupation. (Many presentations can be read online at www.worldtribunal.org/main/) I've excerpted some of the witness statements from Iraq here.

**Jdawg50** · 09-08-2005, 08:38 PM

This is a good start, but IMHO war is hell. It was hard for these soldiers to tell who was the enemy and who was thier friend. Remeber these guys were not wearing uniforms. And a lot of times they ahd to say do things to get these guys to talk. If you compare some of these things to what sadam did to these people.... its childs play. But good job doing some homework!

Its also important to point out that a lot of times there are bad apples in every conflict. Abu Grabe was one of those situations. As a whole I feel the US military was pretty damn good about treating the enemy. Have you read the stories of the US military treating the Iraqi wounded before treatin US military wounded? That happed a lot in this conflict.

**FINAMAN** · 09-08-2005, 08:40 PM

See I could find facts about the arguement you guys thought that I just wanted 2 ignore it cuz I was talkin out of my ass Its just that I wanted to end the arguement and topic before people really took it the wrong way which alot of you did . I will continue researchign and posting but there you go you guys have something to read about now about this horible topic.

**Jdawg50** · 09-08-2005, 08:48 PM

Medic Receives Army Medal for Valor in Iraq
Spc. Shane Courville treats soldiers, civilians as battle continues around him.

By U.S. Army Spc. Brian Schroeder
10th Mountain Division
CAMP LIBERTY, Iraq, April 4, 2005 — U.S. Army Spc. Shane Courville, a 210th Forward Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division combat medic was awarded the Army Commendation Medal with valor device March 8 for his courageous efforts in providing medical aid to his fellow soldiers and civilians while engaged by enemy fire.
On the morning of Nov. 9, 2004, Courville prepared for the day’s mission by loading his combat lifesaver pack into his Humvee and inspecting his equipment before heading to the hospitals in western Baghdad to inspect ongoing improvement projects. Once they made the rounds to the hospitals, the patrol members drove toward Abu Ghraib to hand out blankets to a local school before the cold of winter hit.

Capt. Jennifer Knowlden, 2nd Brigade Combat Team patrol leader, said while the patrol was coming down the overpass into the city of Abu Ghraib, she noticed something seemed odd. “The streets were empty and nobody was around,” she said. “That’s when the first improvised explosive device went off.”

“This is not the first, second, third or even fourth time Spc. Courville has performed like this under fire. Six members of his platoon have received Purple Hearts for wounds he treated while under fire,” Staff Sgt. Christopher Carollo, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, Headquarters and Headquarters Company.

“I couldn’t see anything, it was like I was wearing nylons over my eyes,” she recalled. “The windows looked like they were all sandblasted.”

Then Lt. Col. Michael Infanti, 2nd deputy commanding officer, dismounted the vehicle and began directing fire toward the enemy. The rest of the patrol followed their leader.

“We got out and noticed rocket-propelled grenade gunners against a wall and began shooting in their direction,” Knowlden said. “Then I noticed the deputy commanding officer go down.”

After watching the lieutenant colonel fall to the ground, Knowlden immediately called for a medic over her radio. She looked over her shoulder and saw Courville running through the smoke toward Infanti.

“It was just like out of a movie,” she remembered. “Bullets were flying everywhere.”

“When I got out I couldn’t see because of the smoke,” Courville said. “I got to Lt. Col. Infanti as quick as I could and started treating him.”

Courville examined Infanti and noticed he had lacerations to the back of his head and was disoriented from a concussion he received from the blast.

While he was applying bandages to Infanti’s head, three RPGs were fired at the convoy. One exploded under a vehicle. Another hit the tires of a vehicle and one hit the back of a vehicle, but did not detonate. It lodged between the blankets that the patrol was on their way to deliver.

Despite the enemy fire directed at his position, Courville continued to treat his commander’s wounds.

Col. Mark A. Milley, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division commander, awards Spc. Shane Courville, 210th Forward Support Battalion combat medic, the Army Commendation Medal with valor device March 8 for providing medical aid to his fellow soldiers while under enemy fire. U.S. Army photo

Knowlden, who was also wounded by the IED, helped Courville loaded Infanti into the damaged vehicle where the medic continued to administer first aid while the convoy departed the area.

Moments later, a second IED detonated underneath Knowlden’s Humvee, sending the back hatch of their truck flying end-over-end into the air. The soldiers in the patrol dismounted once again and performed a security perimeter around the vehicles.

Staff Sgt. Christopher Carollo, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, Headquarters and Headquarters Company security patrol sergeant, was part of the dismounted team and said they noticed a group of wounded civilians who had been injured in the crossfire from the attack.

Courville immediately began treating them.

“Courville began lining up the wounded in a triage and was non-stop treating them,” Carollo said. “He went through the supplies in his combat lifesaver bag and had to grab another one for more supplies.”

While Courville was treating the wounded civilians, a platoon of Bradley Fighting Vehicles came in to reinforce the area. Once the civilians were treated, Carollo and his team began loading the wounded into the Bradleys to take them to a hospital for further treatment. Courville stayed with the wounded until they arrived at the hospital.

“This is not the first, second, third or even fourth time Spc. Courville has performed like this under fire,” Carollo said. “Six members of his platoon have received Purple Hearts for wounds he treated while under fire.”

“The soldiers who perform under pressure like Spc. Courville are the ones who demonstrate their true inner heroism,” he said.

Carollo said he considers every deployed soldier a hero because of the sacrifices they make. He said the true heroes are the soldiers who carry out their duties, no matter how dangerous the situation may be.

Courville modestly said he does not consider himself a hero, he was doing his job just like any soldier should do. “The happiest thing of all is that my guys are still alive,” he said. “That is probably the best award I could have received.”

http://www.defendamerica.mil/article...040405wm2.html

Here's a good example of something we did while fighting

**FINAMAN** · 09-08-2005, 08:50 PM

LINK= http://www.islam-online.net/English/...rticle07.shtml

LONDON, August 16, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – British occupation troops faced Tuesday, August 16, fresh charges of torturing and abusing Iraqi prisoners with more accounts revealed to the public.

Three former prisoners from the southern city of Basra told BBC Two’s Newsnight program that they were beaten, tied up and urinated on.

"They lowered me down... while I was tied up, threw me on the floor and hit me with a stick," Marhab Zaaj-al-Saghir said.

"You couldn't draw breath afterwards and I lost consciousness," he said, adding that he had been urinated on.

Marhab’s brother, As'ad, also charged he was tied up and abused.

A third man, Hani Jahoush, said he was punched and chased with a whip as he moved around his cell where he was held for more than two months without charge.

He also said he was forced to make monkey noises and threatened with an electric shock machine.

The shocking torture of Iraq prisoners was first brought to the public by American news networks and newspapers, which published dozens of photographs showing US soldiers abusing detainees in Abu Ghraib prison.

But so far, only a fraction of pictures taken by US specialist Joseph Darby have been released to the public.

The Pentagon has moved forcefully this month to block the release of more photos and video evidence of prisoner abuse at the notorious prison.

Multiple Accounts

A library photo of Baha Mousa with his two children and wife.

Newsnight says the men's accounts are similar to many others recounted in a confidential report by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

According to the report, detainees at the camp at Umm Qasr, where the men were held, "were routinely treated by their guards with general contempt, with petty violence".

A spokesman for the British Military of Defense defended its record on investigating claims of wrongdoing by British forces.

"We have a robust system for investigating incidents involving the death, injury or alleged ill-treatment of civilians on operations," he told the BBC.

In February this year, two British soldiers were found guilty of abusing Iraqi civilians at a base in Basra known as Camp Breadbasket, while a third pleaded guilty.

Mistreatment of Iraqis by the convicted soldiers - including one Iraqi being suspended from a forklift truck and others forced to simulate sex acts - was captured in photographs that were published around the world after they were released as evidence.

In a landmark ruling in December of last year, Britain’s High Court said the Human Rights Act, which bans torture and inhuman or degrading treatment and guarantees the right to life, covered the British-run prisons in Iraq.

It further said Iraqi families were legally entitled to seek independent probe into the deaths of relatives reportedly killed by British troops in Iraq and to receive compensations.

The verdict was prompted by the case of Mousa Baha, the Iraqi hotel receptionist who was beaten to death by UK troops.

Seven soldiers were charged in July in connection with Baha’s death.

The lawyer representing the family of Baha said he is dealing with another dozen claims of unlawful killing and 50 of torture and beatings.

Amnesty International has said in a report that British forces in Iraq have shot and killed Iraqi civilians, including an eight-year-old girl, though they faced no apparent threat.

It said many civilian killings were not investigated and only a few cases were probed

**FINAMAN** · 09-08-2005, 08:52 PM

LINK= http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N17586240.htm

LOS ANGELES, Aug 17 (Reuters) - The torture and humiliation of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops was widespread and not limited to the high-profile cases at Abu Ghraib prison, according to a former soldier who participated in an interrogation that she said "crossed a line."

Kayla Williams, 28, a former sergeant with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division in Iraq and the author of a new book, said soldiers interrogating a naked Iraqi asked her to humiliate him. She also saw fellow soldiers throwing lit cigarettes at him and hitting him in the face.

"It's one thing to make fun of someone and attempt to humiliate him. With words. That's one thing. But flicking lit cigarettes at somebody -- like burning him -- that's illegal," Williams writes in "Love My Rifle More Than You: Young and Female in the U.S. Army," which hits U.S. bookstores Sept. 5.

While stationed at the 2nd Brigade's Brigade Support Area in Mosul in late 2003, Arabic linguist Williams was asked to mock an Iraqi man's sexual prowess and ridicule the size of his genitals.

Williams said she was "not clear" on whether the superiors of the soldiers in charge of the interrogation had ordered the abuse. "If they didn't know what was going on, they should have," she said in an interview.

Williams wrote that she chose not to participate in subsequent interrogations but that other soldiers later told her that "the old rules no longer applied because this was a different world. This was a new kind of war."

Months later, photographs surfaced of U.S. soldiers humiliating naked and blindfolded Iraqis at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison.

"I was not at all surprised to find it was widespread. I was surprised that they were stupid enough to take pictures," she said.

Williams never reported the abuse, but wrote that the detention center in Mosul where it occurred was later investigated.

Lt. Col. Jeremy Martin, a U.S. Army spokesman on detainee issues, declined to comment on the specific allegations made in Williams book, but said "all credible allegations of abuse are aggressively investigated, and individuals are held appropriately accountable."

'SOLDIERS ARE NOT ONE-DIMENSIONAL'

Several low-level American soldiers have been convicted of abusing prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Lynndie England became the face of the scandal by posing for a photograph while holding a leash attached to the neck of naked Iraqi.

The images of England rapidly joined those of another woman, rescued Pvt. Jessica Lynch as the most public examples of soldiers serving in Iraq.

Lynch, who was captured early in the war, was held for nine days before U.S. troops rescued her. She was later painted a hero.

"It frustrated a lot of specifically female soldiers, but soldiers in general," Williams said. "Her situation was really played up because she was a cute little blonde girl."

Williams said she hoped her book will offer a more realistic view of soldiers than the vividly contrasting images of England and Lynch.

"It's a more complex situation over there, and soldiers are not one-dimensional people," Williams said.

Williams, who has no regrets about her time in the Army, left the military in June and is about to be married to a soldier she met in Iraq. She cites her fiance's poor treatment since he took shrapnel in the head during an attack on his convoy as one reason she decided to change careers.

"He's not being treated very well," she said. "It's very disillusioning."

**Jdawg50** · 09-08-2005, 08:52 PM

http://www.talkingproud.us/Culture041203.html

Click on this link. This is a whole bunch of examples of our forces helping out wounded enemy and civilians.

**Jdawg50** · 09-08-2005, 08:53 PM

Now this is becoming a very good back and forth!

**stayinstacked** · 09-08-2005, 10:30 PM

They had this shit on the O 'Reilly factor earlier tonight. Bill O'Reilly made Kanya West look like a ****ing moron, that guy just doesnt play around.

**Jdawg50** · 09-09-2005, 08:59 AM

'THE BIG BOO' CROWD HISSES KANYE WEST
Fri Sep 09 2005 10:30:28 ET

The chart topping hip hop rapper star who used a network hurricane fundraiser to charge "George Bush doesn't care about black people" was loudly and lustily booed during last night's NFL kickoff show.

The appearance of Kanye West, who was beamed into the Boston stadium via remote from Los Angeles, received a strongly negative response from the crowd.

"The boos were thunderous and lasted for much of his number," reports the BOSTON GLOBE.

**FINAMAN** · 09-09-2005, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jdawg50

Now this is becoming a very good back and forth!

It is. But you see both you and I made good points with articles and posts that we read and heard bout but I guess nothing can be true till you see it with your own eeys. People like to talk for no reason but w.e I just wanted to prove my point to you and I did. I dont want to argue back and forward you know for no reason lol BUT I KNOW YOU DO so dont say that I dont got nothing more left in me cuz Ill pull up some all nighters just to dig up shyt lol. Take care bro.

**chest6** · 09-09-2005, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by stayinstacked

They had this shit on the O 'Reilly factor earlier tonight. Bill O'Reilly made Kanya West look like a ****ing moron, that guy just doesnt play around.

I saw that..one guy was trying to defend him and o reilly made his ass pay..i was just like laughing that guy is brutal

**Jdawg50** · 09-10-2005, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by FINAMAN

It is. But you see both you and I made good points with articles and posts that we read and heard bout but I guess nothing can be true till you see it with your own eeys. People like to talk for no reason but w.e I just wanted to prove my point to you and I did. I dont want to argue back and forward you know for no reason lol BUT I KNOW YOU DO so dont say that I dont got nothing more left in me cuz Ill pull up some all nighters just to dig up shyt lol. Take care bro.

That's cool, I just wanted you to understand. When you step into the political forum expect to get it back when you throw down bro! cya!