02-12-2004, 05:53 PM #1
National Guardsman charged in attempting to ....
provide intel to Al Q. He was getting ready to deploy to Iraq with his unit next week and they busted him in a sting. He was from Ft. Lewis WA. This is the 3rd Army guy out of this area busted for this...or related charges.
Enemy coming at us from every direction.
They all deserve to DIE!
02-12-2004, 05:59 PM #2
Dont shoot him yet. Dont believe in the news. They hype and twist gossup around.
He probably just said George Bush is a dick and then Bush decided to show him by saying he is a terrorist without defense form a lawyer or anything.
02-12-2004, 06:14 PM #3
Thats pathetic....Can't even trust some members of our own military..
02-12-2004, 06:24 PM #4
Well.....there are two sides to every story....some where in the middle there is the truth.
Time will tell.
02-12-2004, 08:00 PM #5Originally Posted by bermich
**** George Bush.
02-12-2004, 08:19 PM #6
Heard about that .. SELLOUT
02-12-2004, 08:46 PM #7
Actually he was providing information on how to attack heavily armored vehicles like the Bradleys and Abrams with bombs and ambushes and stuff like that. He was purposely looking for extremists with militant ties to tell them this.
02-12-2004, 09:06 PM #8
Makes me sick. Seen it too many times, up close and I think they should all get the death penalty.
02-12-2004, 09:21 PM #9Originally Posted by Commando_Barbi
02-12-2004, 09:24 PM #10
The ultimate penalty for treason is death. I think the last time they put someone to death for it was after world war 2 with julius and ethel rosenberg for selling atomic secrets to the russians.
02-12-2004, 09:24 PM #11
Death by firing squad I thought..or imprisonment.
02-12-2004, 09:27 PM #12Originally Posted by Commando_Barbi
02-12-2004, 09:30 PM #13
if they start executing traitors, less people may be tempted to enagage in treason.....bottom line KILL 'EM!
02-12-2004, 09:33 PM #14
The penalty for helping the enemy when charged under the UCMJ is "Death or any such other punishment as deemed appropriate". It can be a death penalty case...but look at all the cases we've had in our history and how many have ever actually gotten put to death. I would love to agree that to kill him would stop others....but as we see from our death penalty for other crimes....it's not deterring anything.
We still have Green river killers, Ted Bundy's, etc. So sad.
02-12-2004, 09:35 PM #15
Execute all ppl tied to treason.....gives the next generation something to think about.
02-12-2004, 10:20 PM #16Originally Posted by Da Bull
02-12-2004, 11:18 PM #17
i think we should blow the thing up all out of proportion and make an example of him. this is getting ridiclus where our own soldiers are plotting against us... He should die by either a hanging or firing squad and it should be highly publicize to show that were not ****ing around..
02-12-2004, 11:23 PM #18Originally Posted by shootdeep
02-13-2004, 07:12 AM #19
the problem with treason is that it is hard to prove. its the only crime specified in the constitution. usually its easier to charge with something else like spying. also, in these cases like spying the default is to go for the death penalty. they use it to plead the case down to life in exchange for all the information relating to who they told, where, when, etc. it allows for damage control which in the end is better than executing teh person and not knowing exactly what he did. don't worry, the government usually does a good job with these things. except with one case. Ollie North. That guy got off easy. and then got a presedential pardon. he should still be in jail. in case y'all may be some of those that think he was doing his duty...his duty is to the constitution, not the president. Congress spcifically said not to do something, and he did it anyway, and in the comission of such acts, helped enemies of the USA.
02-13-2004, 07:53 AM #20
02-13-2004, 08:12 AM #21
If he is indeed a traitor (and not just a dissenter) he deserves....
DEATH!!!! BY BUNGA BUNGA!!!!!
02-14-2004, 11:23 AM #22
I posted something along these lines last year...seems the JCS need to rethink what sort they are letting in the Army.
02-14-2004, 11:52 AM #23
MSWA: Muslim soldiers with attitude
Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim American soldier with the 326th Engineer Battalion, had an "attitude problem."
According to his superiors and acquaintances, Akbar's attitude was bitterly anti-American and staunchly pro-Muslim. So how did this devout follower of the so-called Religion of Peace work out his attitudinal problems last weekend?
By lobbing hand grenades and aiming his M-4 automatic rifle into three tents filled with sleeping commanding officers at the 101st Airborne Division's 1st Brigade operations center in Kuwait.
Akbar is the lone suspect being detained in the despicable attack, which left more than a dozen wounded and one dead. Surviving soldiers say Akbar, found cowering in a bunker with shrapnel injuries, was overheard ranting after the assault: "You guys are coming into our countries, and you're going to rape our women and kill our children."
"Our"? At least there's no doubt about where this Religion of Peace practitioner's true loyalties lie.
Naturally, apologists for Islam-gone-awry are hard at work dismissing this traitorous act of murder as an "isolated, individual act and not an expression of faith." But such sentiments are willfully blind and recklessly p.c.
Sgt. Akbar is not the only MSWA -- Muslim soldier with attitude -- suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security:
-- Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA.
A former classmate, Jason T. Fogg, recalled that Mohamed was openly critical of the American military. "To be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country."
Soon after he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1989, Mohamed hooked up with Osama bin Laden as an escort, trainer, bagman and messenger. Mohamed used his U.S. passport to conduct surveillance at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi; he later pled guilty to conspiring with bin Laden to "attack any Western target in the Middle East" and admitted his role in the 1998 African embassy bombings that killed more than 200 people, including a dozen Americans.
Ain't multiculturalism grand?
-- Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al Qaeda in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded nearly 400 other Americans.
Osman was arrested last May as part of a federal investigation into the establishment of a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon. Osman recently pleaded guilty to a weapons violation, and the feds dropped immigration charges against him in exchange for his testimony.
Ain't open borders grand?
-- John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army's 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad's superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and The Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was "trouble from day one."
Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.
Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.
Ain't tolerance grand?
-- Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and "enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America." According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan.
Ain't diversity grand?
"It's bad enough we have to worry about enemy forces, but now we have to worry about our own guys," Spc. Autumn Simmer told the Los Angeles Times this week after the assault on the 101st Airborne. The Islamist infiltration of our troops is scandalous. Not one more American, soldier or civilian, must be sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism, diversity, open borders, and tolerance of the murderous "attitude" of Jihad.
02-14-2004, 12:40 PM #24
Apparently the guy was quite a moron...
Guardsman described as inept ?wannabe? al-Qaida spy
Suspect reportedly drew authorities' scrutiny with postings in Internet chats, news groups
Ryan Anderson is shown in a high school yearbook photo. He is a 1995 graduate of Cascade High School in Everett, Wash.
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 10:02 AM PT Feb. 13, 2004
FORT LEWIS, Wash. - A National Guardsman accused of attempting to aid al-Qaida is described by law enforcement sources as a bumbling ?wannabe? spy who was attempting to pass information to the enemy that was the sort of thing ?you could learn on the History Channel,? it was reported Friday.
Spc. Ryan G. Anderson, 26, was arrested Thursday at Fort Lewis, near Tacoma, Wash., and accused of trying to provide information to the al-Qaida terrorist network, the Army said. The arrest came as Anderson?s unit, the 4,200-member 81st Armor Brigade, was preparing for deployment to Iraq.
Army Lt. Col. Stephen Barger said that Anderson was being held at Fort Lewis ?pending criminal charges of aiding the enemy by wrongfully attempting to communicate and give intelligence to the al-Qaida terrorist network.? If convicted of those charges, he could face the death penalty.
Defense officials who spoke with the Associated Press on condition of anonymity shortly after Anderson?s arrest was announced, said the suspect had signed onto extremist Internet chat rooms and tried to get in touch with al-Qaida operatives, offering the organization information on U.S. military capabilities and weaponry.
It does not appear that Anderson transmitted any information to al-Qaida, the officials said.
Cast as incompetent would-be turncoat
But law enforcement sources quoted in local newspaper reports indicated that Anderson was an incompetent would-be turncoat.
A law enforcement source quoted by the Seattle Times said that Anderson, a tank crew member, did not have any security clearance and offered an undercover FBI agent who posed as an al-Qaida go-between ?common-knowledge stuff,? the type of information ?you could learn on the History Channel.?
Federal law enforcement sources also told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that Anderson was not discreet in making known his desire to aid the terrorist network. ?His initial overtures were not that clandestine,? the newspaper quoted one source as saying.
After converting to Islam ? either in 1995 or 1996 ? Anderson joined a Seattle-area e-mail group used by local Muslims to exchange ideas and discuss the faith's tenets.
?He immediately e-mailed the group telling people he was an expert marksman, and he wanted to teach people how to shoot,? Aziz Junejo, a community member and host of a local cable television show devoted to Islam, told the Post Intelligencer. ?That was completely out of the norm. Right away that was a red flag.?
Junejo and the administrator of the e-mail group ?did battles, telling him this was not appropriate, not part of our religion, not part of our community,? Junejo was quoted as saying.
Comments draw attention of authorities
Anderson's public comments quickly drew the attention of anti-terrorism authoriites, though it was not immediately clear whether they became aware of him through his chatroom activities or as the result of a tip.
The newspaper also found numerous Internet news group postings sent from Anderson?s e-mail address while attending Washington State University detailing his conversion to Islam, his interest in joining a local militia and an incident in December 1995 in which he allegedly was questioned by FBI agents after a run-in with campus authorities who stopped him from keeping a firearm on campus.
Ryan Anderson puts his hands in the air after being stopped by Snohomish County, Wash., sheriff's deputies for carrying a rifle near an elementary school in Everett in a May 22, 1998 file photo.
In a post on a militia news group, Anderson told Internet confidants that the FBI had questioned him and that he thought federal authorities were watching him. ?I just love feeling like a suspect, don?t you?? he wrote, according to the newspaper.
He also had an encounter with law enforcement in May 1998, when he was 20, the Herald of Everett reported Friday. The then 20-year-old Anderson was pounced on by Snohomish County sheriff?s deputies as he carried a couple of rifles past a grade school near his home, but was quickly freed after authorities determined he had not broken any laws.
That incident happened when officials were particularly nervous about school safety, because it was just after 15-year-old Kip Kinkel killed two students and wounded more than 20 other people at his high school in Springfield, Ore. Kinkel also had killed his parents.
Anderson's conversion to Islam apparently occurred in either late 1995 or early 1996, according to Internet postings in his name. The Seattle Post Intelligencer quoted one such posting within a year of his enrollment at Washington State Univeristy in which he wrote in a news group devoted to Islam that he had abandoned the Lutheran faith.
?Islam has most literally called to me?
?Islam has most literally called to me,? wrote Anderson in one such post, according to the Post-Intelligencer. He described himself as an Army officer cadet of ?German/Irish decent who was raised in a ?zombie Lutheran? home.?
Anderson, who grew up in Everett, about 20 miles north of Seattle, was taken into custody on Thursday without incident as part of a joint investigation by the Army, Justice Department and FBI, according to Barger, the Fort Lewis spokesman.
Barger declined to give any details on the arrest, and it was not immediately clear if Anderson had a lawyer.
Jack Roberts, a neighbor, said he talked to Anderson?s wife, Erin, after federal agents left the couple?s apartment Thursday.
?She was pretty ****ed shocked, as I was,? Roberts said.
Phone messages left by The Associated Press at the couple?s apartment were not immediately returned Thursday.
2002 college graduate
Washington State University spokeswoman Charleen Taylor said Anderson was a 2002 graduate with a degree in history. Anderson graduated from high school in Everett in 1995, the Herald of Everett reported, and at WSU studied military history with an emphasis on the Middle East.
The 81st Brigade has been training at Fort Lewis since November in preparation for deployment to Iraq, which is expected within days. Eighty percent of the soldiers ? 3,200 ? are from Washington state, and 1,000 are from guard units in California and Minnesota. It includes two tank battalions, a mechanized infantry battalion, engineers, support troops, artillery and an intelligence company.
Anderson is the second Muslim soldier with Fort Lewis connections to be accused of wrongdoing related to the war on terrorism.
Capt. James Yee, 35, a former Fort Lewis chaplain, is accused of mishandling classified information from the U.S. prison for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Yee ministered to Muslim prisoners there.
There were initial reports that Yee was being investigated as part of an espionage probe, but he was never charged with spying.
MSNBC.com's Mike Brunker and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
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02-14-2004, 12:43 PM #25
this guy is an idiot! tar and feather his azz.
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