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02-21-2015, 04:14 PM #1Associate Member
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Cycle vs cycle
Hey guys so I'm about 3 weeks out of start of my cycle been reading different threads so I have two cycles I'm debating. Which would you choose and why. Also any recommendations would be great. Thank you
Stats:
Age 27
Weight: 202
BF: 16% will be 13%-15%when I start my cycle
Height: 5-11
Diet: Strict
Goals: Lean Muscle 9%BF
Target Date: July 2nd 2015
Lifting For 10+ years
College Athlete
Location: Manhattan NY
Cycle history: 3 cycles w/ prop winny anavar test e this will be my 4th
Week 1-12 test Prop 75mg ed
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.5mg/eod
Week 1-12 hcg iu 250 a week
Week 1-12 Nolva 10mg ed
Week 6-12 Anavar 80mg ed
Week 6-12 winstrol (injectable)50mg ed
3 days after last pin pct:
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Vs
Week 1-12 test Prop 75mg ed
Week 1-10 mast 50mg Ed
Week 1-7 var 80 mg Ed
Week 8-12 var 100 mg Ed
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.5mg/eod
Week 1-12 hcg iu 250 a week
Week 1-12 Nolva 10mg ed
3 days after last pin pct:
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Vs
What do you think about this, should be a great cutting stack...
test prop wk 1-12 75mg Ed
tren ace wk 1-10 50mg Ed
masteron wk 1-10 50mg eg
winny wk 6-12 50 mg Ed
Var wk 1-6 80mg Ed
Arimidex 1-12 .5mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu a week
Nolva wk 1-12 10mg Ed
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg 2x week
PCT
three days after last injection
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Looking for the best cutting stack possible. Thank
I can restructure these to your suggestions.Last edited by King Mathers; 02-21-2015 at 08:00 PM.
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02-21-2015, 06:41 PM #2
For cutting I run Test Prop 300mg/wk for 8 weeks, T4 (200mcg/ed)/Keto (3mg/ed)/Clen (build up to 140mcg/ed) along with hcg /arimadex and PCT. I winstol helps me cut too but I stopped taking it 'cause it just drys out my joint something terrible. Tren 's excellent in my cut cycle but you're right you need to a number of cycles nder your belt before you run Tren.
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Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
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Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
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What do you think about this, should be a great cutting stack...
test prop wk 1-12 75mg Ed
tren ace wk 1-10 50mg Ed
masteron wk 1-10 50mg eg
winny wk 6-12 50 mg Ed
Var wk 1-6 80mg Ed
Arimidex 1-12 .5mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2x week
Nolva wk 1-12 10mg Ed
Caber wk 1-12 .25mg 2x a week
PCT
three days after last injection
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20Last edited by King Mathers; 02-22-2015 at 01:44 PM.
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02-22-2015, 06:35 AM #6Associate Member
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Anyone have any input
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02-22-2015, 10:02 AM #7
Looks ok but hcg is 250iu 2xweek personally I would run test eod at that dose too
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02-22-2015, 11:44 AM #8
I would drop the winny. You don't need all those compounds. Also I never run nolva. I know people do but armidex or aromasin keeps my water down just fine.
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02-22-2015, 01:10 PM #9Associate Member
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Originally Posted by mark woods
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02-22-2015, 01:11 PM #10Associate Member
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Originally Posted by PT
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02-22-2015, 01:43 PM #12Associate Member
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Originally Posted by mark woods
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02-22-2015, 01:47 PM #13
If you are prone to gyno, run it for insurance(nolvadex ), much easier to deal with if you don't get it at all.
I can't give any input on mast cause I haven't tried it yet, but tren cuts me up fast. I tried winny a bunch of times but it just makes my joints hurt, I won't be doing it any more. I will be doing test/tren/mast for my summer cut.
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02-22-2015, 02:23 PM #14
if your mentaly prepared for tren and you know what your doing I'd just do tren and prop and you'll be happy as long as you know how to manage e2 and prolactin. I know everyone says you need a certain number of cycles but how many cycles is that and why I don't know I think if you feel ready and you wana give it a go do it you can stop aND ace is out of your system withing a few days
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Originally Posted by zempey
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02-22-2015, 02:47 PM #17
I think youll be more then happy with trt dose of prop and then some tren wouldn't add anything els until the tren fully kicks in and once it does I think you'll relize how powerful it is and not even feel the need to add anything els
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02-22-2015, 02:48 PM #18Associate Member
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Originally Posted by swolehead
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02-22-2015, 02:49 PM #19
I am going to front and back load with tren a and run tren e through the middle.
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02-22-2015, 02:56 PM #20Associate Member
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Originally Posted by zempey
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The only thing I would do different is backload the var for the last 6-8wks... Finish strong and the var will increase strength and vascularity especially if you start under 12%bf... You will see great results!
Also I would start my a-dex dose at .25mgs eod and adjust if needed(or if you know your body well enough in regards to keeping your E2 in check - if you E2 is up need to bump the dex up try .5mg e3d first(but this is why BW is so important)
GL OP!Last edited by NACH3; 02-23-2015 at 06:26 AM.
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02-22-2015, 03:11 PM #22Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NACH3
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Depends on if youve ran Tren b4! If so successfully then prop/Tren ace/& var backloaded for 8 wks,and pick your dose and stick with it(80 ior 100) but if it's real var you won't need 100 per say but i have run it that high but found that 60-80 is plenty...
If you haven't run Tren yet then prop/winny/backloaded w.var 8 wks(have you looked into Primobolan - which is also faked for winny a lot and one of the most faked compounds along w/var! But I've hotten great cutting results while gaining LBM and strength w/prop/primo/var backloaded 8 wks at 60-80mgs ed... Just my .02...
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Originally Posted by NACH3Last edited by King Mathers; 02-22-2015 at 06:13 PM.
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02-22-2015, 06:49 PM #26
like I said if you do you need to know what sides are being directly caused by the tren wich you won't be able to do with var and mast thrown in
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Originally Posted by swolehead
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Are you competing?? B/c if not I wouldn't recommend the Tren with all those other compounds unless you have experience w/them.... Like SwoleHead stated you wouldn't know what's causing the sides if you havent(that's why its best to add a compound at a time so you know how how your body reacts to it and the the others that you've used already(if you did it that way)!
I couldn't handle the Tren when I tried so I just started NPP 12 days ago and it's going great! But it's my first time so I'm doing prop/NPP/and backloading winny b/c I know how My body reacts to the prop and winny so it's all about logging all my sides(even if it's as small as becoming a lil more aggressive(but that's controllable) Tren is a completely different animal... & if sides do pop up they are rather harsh and it can be very quick.... Just my experience... Be safe...Last edited by NACH3; 02-22-2015 at 07:10 PM.
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02-22-2015, 07:12 PM #29Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NACH3
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That's a solid cutting cycle as long as your bf% is 12(or the lower the better) as you'll see the Winny's full potential sub 12% and the var will aid in strength and LBM especially along side winny and road maps(veins... Lol)... The cycle you proposed earlier is a comp cycle that's why I asked... It's very usual to see prop/Tren ace/winny/& Mast for say like 16 wks or more out but they're already down to 7-8% when they start if not lower!
I think it's a smart decision!
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02-22-2015, 07:41 PM #31Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NACH3
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Ok you asked for opinions and the safest way... Right? But all along you've wanted to run the Tren ... So if your mind was made up why even ask? It's your call but I feel your mind was already made up, b/c most of us have said no Tren but it's the only way you'll know how your bodies gonna react to it!
If you go that route w/the Tren you should just run the prop/& Tren by itself... As you will not know what's causing sides(just make sure you take caber/Prami and keep your E2 in check and you won't have progestin related issues from the 19 nor! GL and be safe!
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Originally Posted by NACH3
Add it to compounds that I was successful with. Thank you again I will just do prop winny var
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Yeah especially if you had good results... Don't fix what isn't broke... Sh*t I wanna run Tren too, I just know my mental state(my mind probly gave me more sides yhen I actually had... The Tren will still be around next time brother!
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11 wks(10) is pushing it even though var is mild, I'd say 8 wks max... And your winny is injectable right? And w/prop if stay at 12 wks... Just my opinion as 14 is fine but the longer your on the harder to recover!
Post your PCT protocol aswell...
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Originally Posted by NACH3
Pct 3 days after last pin
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
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02-23-2015, 02:57 PM #39
HCG 250iu a week is not enough. Needs to be more like 500iu three times a week. Last shot of HCG (after your past aas pin and before PCT) should be around 1500iu.
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02-23-2015, 03:10 PM #40
250iu e3d hcg 500 is overkill
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